The effect of "someone's gonna ambush that guy in the parking lot later."
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May 25, 2021FlossedBeaver posted a message on [MH2] Mothership 5/25— Garth One-Eye and Deep Forest HermitPosted in: The Rumor Mill
The effect of "someone's gonna ambush that guy in the parking lot later."
May 24, 2021FlossedBeaver posted a message on [MH2] Break Ties, Late to Dinner, Spreading Insurrection, Lucid Dreams, and Tourach's Canticle— The Vorthos Cast previewsPosted in: The Rumor MillQuote from Nutrun »
There is still a chance to see Hymn to Tourach printed in this set?
No, but the chances of seeing Tourach himself just went up measurably.
So, mono white gets more full on reanimation as an in-color effect. I dig it.
May 20, 2021FlossedBeaver posted a message on [AFR] lolth, Spider queen (planeswalker card), Bruenor, battehammer, and Drizzet, Do’Urden — D&D YouTube channelI don't think the payoff is there for an aristocrat deck, honestly.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
May 18, 2021Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from Lectrys »Quote from fleshrum »the clue is "name on a powerful card" not "name in the name of a powerful card"
Unless we have flavour text as iconic as Ghostfire's, Lhurgoyf's, or the Scars block printing of Mindslaver's, I don't think having your name in the flavour text of a card counts as having your name on a card. Flavour text is way too easily omitted and changed, especially in this era when spotlight printings often cannot fit flavour text in (e.g. the latest printing of Lotus Cobra).
Having a name in the flavor text is exactly the kind of oblique reference I would expect from these hints.
Apr 20, 2021Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from ZasZ234 »
Well, it's certainly easier to argue about issues that arise "if I asked" than actually asking.
Sure. Why give someone with a penchant for making up arbitrary definitions the opportunity to do more of the same, though? That's just creating unnecessary work for myself in the long run, and doesn't actually add anything to the conversation.
Quote from ZasZ234 »I think it's a particularly ungenerous interpretation to say they are "worried about lands" (as opposed to "taking them into account for total deck size"), but even then... Nykthos!
I don't. One of the tricks to, erm, reading comprehension is being able to size up a writer's biases. I find it difficult to believe the person has much experience with commander, given their stance on the format and how they've framed their argument. Why, then, should I assume they're not including lands to prove a point when you yourself had to completely twist that same argument on its head to make it sound even remotely plausible? Like I said, it just doesn't square, especially within the broader context of what's actually being asked for here. 90 cards was a poor point of reference if we aren't talking about a single commander deck, and an even poorer one if we are. The fact that I chose to approach it from both angles, across multiple posts, is amply generous so far as I'm concerned.
Quote from ZasZ234 »You make certainly some ungenerous assumptions yourself with regard to the numbers. How good-faith can your argument be, if you are clearly aware of how many lands are going to be in those decks (many of which will be basic lands), yet you state
Quote from FlossedBeaver »if we use your numbers, just 2 decks would be 180 cards out of less than 300 for an entire set.
as if those are 180 unique cardnames (because that's what the "less than 300" refers to, right?)? And how can you use a pool of "less than 300" cards (so even ignoring that "plane neutral" could include cards like Fireball if not reprinted in the set) if you also point out ~80 commander-deck-specific cards (81, one of them IIRC appearing in all decks) that were created for the setting beyond the draft booster cards.
We're not using my numbers, we're using theirs. The point, which I feel you missed, is that the argument doesn't stand up to close scrutiny, either by normal metrics (x/65) or the ones I've been given (90/99). Extending the sample size into multiple decks only makes it worse, not better. If you care to offer up better metrics in defense of someone else's argument, I'm all ears.
To be perfectly honest, I'm not even sure why 90 was used to begin with, since it doesn't serve the original point about theme or intro decks. If they meant 90% instead, they already had an opportunity to clarify.
Quote from ZasZ234 »You may complain about "generous assumptions", but here is why I make them: If someone's position is indefensible under generous assumptions, it is refuted. If you have to interpret statements in the worst possible way and fudge the numbers, if you weren't even interested enough to know where the goalposts were, then you maybe aren't actually making a good faith effort to understand the position enough to maybe agree with it. Not defining a goal post gives you as much leeway to move them around as the other side.
I sense that maybe we're talking past each other; I'm the one being forced to make generous assumptions here, so that we (zeta and I) can share a debate on the same level as one another. Complaining really doesn't enter into it. Here is why, in good faith, I chose to make such assumptions: if someone's argument is so deliberately nebulous that they can't be pinned down in objective, measurable terms, there is nothing defensible to refute in the first place. It feels as though the alternatives I'm left with are to dismiss the conversation out of hand, or make somebody else's points for them.
Apr 15, 2021Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from signofzeta »If you want to play Commander, the person you want to play with would immediately know you want to play Commander if you said "Do you want to play Magic the Gathering" Does that happen? No.
Ask anyone to teach you MTG. They will not teach you how to play Commander unless you specifically told them you wanted to learn Commander.
The only answer to the question "Do you want to play Magic?" should be "What format?", because there is no default version of the game that everyone defers to. On those occasions that I've played Magic in a public space, people have come up to ask if I was playing Magic - they didn't think to specify whether it was "regular," commander, or anything else. Incidentally, we were playing commander, and we didn't bother to correct the question by responding "no, we're not playing Magic, we're playing commander." Not all Magic needs to be commander for all Commander to be Magic.
I agree that commander should not be the first format taught to a given person; having recently taught a friend how to play, I laid out all the options available first, because again, there is no default version of the game - just personal preference. The reason why I wouldn't teach commander first has absolutely nothing to do with any of the reasons you've given. Commander is a difficult first format to learn because of a) the sheer breadth of cards available, and b) the number of separate interactions to track across several players in a multiplayer game. Both of those things still fall under the limited description you keep giving us of "regular Magic."
There's definitely a kind of Magic that isn't regular, and it's silver border.
Apr 14, 2021Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from ZasZ234 »
Isn't the "breadth of cards available across the entirety of Magic's history" comparable to Vintage or Legacy, though? I never bothered checking out the relative size of ban lists. I just think that a "format" is also another axis, another decorator you can add to a variant e. g. the 60-card Constructed variant can be played in different formats like Modern and Core Set 2021-Standard.
Yes, that was very much my point. EDH uses all the same "regular rules" of Magic, but functions predominantly as an alternate format. Personally, I don't like the phraseology of "regular"; it implies that anything outside of a specific person's subjective tastes is irregular, abnormal, unintentional, or otherwise part of an outgroup. It's a puritanical and, frankly, entitled way of perceiving the game.
Apr 11, 2021FlossedBeaver posted a message on [C21] Witherbloom Witchcraft— LoadingReadyRun previewIsn't part of the charm of Magic arguing over how the made-up names are pronounced?Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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Apr 10, 2021boombox_smk posted a message on [C21] Lorehold Legacies— The Command Zone previewsThe thread is unlocked assuming no further incidents. Keep the discussion on topic and do not engage in anything other than civil discussion about the Lorehold Commander 21 deck.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
Apr 7, 2021SilvosRogueElemental posted a message on [C21] Lorehold Legacies— The Command Zone previewsYou literally said “you people.” Don’t try to wriggle out of being a jerk. We can all read here.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
Apr 9, 2021Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from ThyLordQ »Quote from NeedAMedic »
Meh, it also feels like they do more and more of these each year. This year being behind doesn't mean much since these typically drop in batches. I'm sure once actual details of this arrive it'll be easier to evaluate.
That early access is worth quite a bit. If I can get the product to resell before others, it sells for more. Reselling SLs is already pretty profitable overall,and pretty easy, especially in the days immediately following the first deliveries.
That's assuming you get the product first and not just "Get to order the product first, with everything shipping at once." I also wasn't assuming purchasing for turning purposes, but I suppose that's on me.
They certainly create more product every year, as I've listed in another thread, but Secret Lairs have only been around since 2019. 2020 is the best data we can work off of, and we're already a third of the way through the year. Theros Stargazing and Secret Lair Drop: Smitten were comparable sets of five, as are Secret Lair: International Women's Day and Secret Lair: Black is Magic (being more charity based drops). But by this point last year, we'd also had the Year of the Rat, and Thalia. If Strixhaven only gets one Secret Lair, it'll be comparable to the Godzilla Lands Secret Lair.
You also made me curious again, so let’s toss in some extra math. I bought one Secret Lair in 2020. Assuming my receipt is correct, it cost 5 dollars to ship to me. I’m in the Midwest, so it probably costs more to ship to the East Coast, but I can only work with the information I have.
Assuming that every box costs 5 dollars to ship, with a 10% discount, I would need to buy 18 Secret Lairs to exceed the cost of the Subscription. Specifically going off of my list: Year of the Rat through non-foil Happy Yargle Day!, purchasing both foil and non-foil, gets me to $150 in discounts and free shipping.
From foil "Happy Yargle Day!" onwards, the savings add up to $110.
EDIT: Missed 3 places where shipping could have been added, upping the savings at the end from $95 to $110.
I for one appreciate ThyLordQ's attempts to quantify this in some realm as an estimate. I guess it does depend on the definition of "Early Access" and if that means early reservation or early shipped, but I'm not sure if we should approach this subscription series from the scalper angle (as it def would most likely be profitable in long term, even if short sale isn't), but from the average consumer who is buying it to get the cards and feel like the subscription savings make the subscription worth it.
But again, all these numbers will change, but with what data we got, not a bad spot to start conversations with.
Apr 8, 2021For people who do not believe in secret lairs, I would still advise that people who receive the e-mail fill them out.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
People bought a lot of the initial secret lairs so we're getting a lot of secret lairs.
People bought a lot of Secret Lair: The Walking Dead and now we have Universes Beyond.
This is an opportunity to directly tell wizards that you would not purchase a Secret Lair subscription/membership program. If the only people who complete this survey are the people who REALLY like secret lairs and you just ignore it, you are going to live in a world where the best value reprints of the year end up being locked behind a $250 FOMO gate.
Apr 8, 2021mikeyG posted a message on [C21] Lorehold Legacies— The Command Zone previewsPosted in: The Rumor Mill
Same couple of people responding to the same maladaptive, antagonistic attitudes from members both new and entrenched. I applaud them.
Apr 6, 2021SilvosRogueElemental posted a message on [C21] Lorehold Legacies— The Command Zone previewsWhy in the hell would anyone try to argue that White hasn’t been left behind? I guess some people on the internet just need to be argumentative contrarians.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
Apr 6, 2021Kamino_Taka posted a message on [C21] Lorehold Legacies— The Command Zone previewsI like this boros precon and I usually don't.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
On the topic of white having the best removal i think that time was over a long time ago. I mean I agree StP and PtE are among the if not the best spot removals IMO but what we get nowadays is mostly meh to bad with one or two few exceptions. Similar thing to the creature thing usually green and reds pack more punch. There is a reason in the top 100 Commanders according to edh rec every mono color is represented except white (even Colorless is above that)
And in standard of the 50 most played cards (according to MTGGoldfish) there are only 2 white cards Yorion on rank 22 and Casket on 26 with 2 black and three red removals above them and the first cheap creatures are both green and haymakers being red/green.
Now I don't think white is as ba as people make it out to be but they get the short stick more often than any other color, thats why I get exited when they get a treat thrown their way (Skyclave, Smothering Tithe, Teferis Protection)
The part where white shines is unfortunately not that useful in EDH, as I still think white is the Sideboard Color in Modern. It is a an ok auxillary color in EDH. But not for the wraths though as my personal order for wraths go: Rift , Toxic Deluge, Blasphemous Act then Austere Command then back to nonwhite with stuff like In garruks wake, crux or extinction event.
As for spot removal in EDH besides STP and PTE my Top ones are pongify, Rapid Hybridization, Reality shift, Anguished Unmaking, Chaos Warp, then Generous Gift/Beast Within. so besides Gift and the aforementioned white has to share one of my Favourites with black.
I play white for cards like Smothering Tithe or Teferis Protection.
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If a person take issue about a character being in the set because of their race. That is racism. There is no other word for it. It's literally the issue being discussed. Her race.
This is a fictional game, where Planeswalkers are travelers. They are foreign elements into ANY of these worlds they visit. That's the whole point of Magic. Jace can visit Ixalan, Sorin can visit Zendikar, Arlinn can visit Ravnica. To say that a foreign tourist ruins the immersion or historical accuracy of a world? Because of their RACE?
No. Those statements are not acceptable. It is literally an argument about exclusion based on race, which is the literal definition of racism.
Nevermind historical realities that the Vikings sailed all the way into the Mediterranean, and traded with, and fought, in that region. Considering that Vikings dealt with, dealt in, and took slaves, having Black characters would even NOT be out of context, if we were going for historical accuracy.
The Norse also took Baltic, Slavic and Latin slaves. The Vikings kept some slaves as servants and sold most captives in the Byzantine or Islamic markets. The slave trade was one of the pillars of the Norse economy during the 6th through 11th centuries. The Persian traveler Ibn Rustah described how Swedish Vikings, the Varangians or Rus, terrorized and enslaved the Slavs taken in their raids along the Volga River.The well-known Harald Hardrada would also serve the Byzantine emperor in Palestine as well as raiding North Africa, the Middle East as far east as Armenia, and the island of Sicily in the 11th century, as recounted in his saga in Snorri Sturluson's Heimskringla.
Evidence for Norse ventures into Arabia and Central Asia can be found in runestones erected in Scandinavia by the relatives of fallen Viking adventurers. Several of these refer to men who died in "Serkland" (possibly Arabia).
Calling someone a Nazi is Flaming, and will be infracted. If you see this behavior occur, please report it.When a post gets completely of topic (or any claim somebody is a "nazi" should be outright removed, its a massive fuel to catapult any discourse out of the window).
I disagree. Not every statement is equally correct, moral, or impactful. We are under no obligation, morally or otherwise, to allow a platform to every kind of speech or opinion. For example, outright hateful speech will never be permitted on this site. The question is thus not about "whether" we can or should moderate, but about "where."
As it is right now, the calls for censorship and moderation in favor of a unified mindset and not allowing any negative opinions about anything is harmful.
Finding the line between allowing polite and insightful discussion can sometimes be tricky. Sometimes, such as with racism, it's not.
This is hyperbole. Of course not everyone will accept or connect with everything about every character. I have criticism on how many aspects of Magic have been handled, such as the retcon of Ugin, and how the Bolas arc ended.
"You are not allowed to critique anything of a fictional character"
However, when the critique of a character is based upon their race, or their gender, or their gender identity... That's not a critique. That's prejudice.
Dec 18, 2020Decadent_Creed posted a message on Two new planeswalkers Niko Aris and Tyvar Kell (bio only)Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from HighHolder »So by flossed beaver's insane logic marvel movies featuring Thor are nothing more than Nazi propaganda.
What a load of bull.
That's not what they said at all but you're going to be mad about something made up either way so who are any of us to interfere? It's pretty easy to learn that white supremacist groups have adopted iconography from Norse culture and like to fantasize about it as some sort of ideal white ethnostate. Being careful not to appeal to some of the worst people in society shouldn't be a controversial point, yet here we are.
Ironically, people arguing that Kaya shouldn't be in the set because she's black or Niko shouldn't be in the set because they're nonbinary are arguing that this plane should be a fantasy white ethnostate. It's pretty uncool to say the least.
Personally I'm happy to see new, diverse and interesting characters interacting with new, diverse and interesting worlds. I know that's a hot take for some of the people on this board but it really shouldn't be.
Aug 31, 2020Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from Elostirion(again) »I'm too old and grumpy to bother with the 17 different partial quotes needed to pull all of the references on just this page out of the thread but...
Can we PLEASE not literally encourage our art and cultural content creators (such as they are) to cater to the dumbest person's impression of history/art/civilization/literature? That'd kinda exactly the opposite of what they're supposed to do.
Tend to agree. It's one thing to acknowledge the reality of marketing and business decisions. That doesn't mean we have to lean into it or be overly accepting of the sorts of tendencies that result from that reality. Businesses churning out ever-more generic products is not a particularly desirable outcome. One of the few ways we can push against art and cultural content being diminished by this process is by cultivating a consumer culture that appreciates fine details. And that starts by not being automatically dismissive of every appeal for finer detail with the point that, under capitalism, dumbing down is inevitable. Don't give away all your power for free.
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