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  • posted a message on 2/14 Secret Lairs: Theros Stargazing
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »

    How much do you spend on Magic product?

    Why does it matter? I'm talking about their pricing. They are increasing their pricing immediatly with the second wind of this product.
    So what if i spend 25€ every week on magic boosters? They'll jump the price of a booster pack from 4 to 25 and i have to shut up because that's how much i spend on magic


    Have you checked the prices of the original art Gods in foil? If you bought each one in foil, as of TCG prices today, it would be ~$465 for 15 cards... or you can get cards that haven't been available or reprinted, as a newer player or a fan of the new art style for a fraction of the cost...

    Your high horse sir/madam, please dismount it. These products aren't for everyone, and that's ok. You have plenty of other things to look forward to this year as far as other products go.

    Ooooooooooh, so wizard just fully aknowledged the secondary market and started to price their products based on that and i have to shut up because "the products is not for everyone" and "i'm on a high horse". Nice!


    It matters because the only thing that actually seems to require a defense here is how people choose to spend their money, not Wizard's pricing structure. So what if they're $40 each? From the outside looking in, someone like us blowing any amount of money on printed card stock looks ridiculous, and I don't see anyone waxing judgmental over your spending proclivities. As long as there are people out there who will derive some measure of joy from owning this product, it's not our business to tell them - or Wizards - how to do business with each other. If there was actually a problem, rest assured it would sort itself out without your input.
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  • posted a message on 2/14 Secret Lairs: Theros Stargazing
    Quote from Laughing Loa »
    Novemember/December Secret Lairs: (5) at $29.99, (2) at $39.99. $200 for a bundle.
    January Secret Lairs: (1) at $39.99. (no $29.99 products)
    February Secret Lairs: (5) at $39.99. $150 for a bundle. (no $29.99 products)

    Laugh

    (J Jonah Jameson Laughing): https://youtu.be/Jy-7q8vmrXM


    Toss a coin to your wizards!
    O'valley of Whales

    really... and there are people still defending this product



    How much do you spend on Magic product?
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  • posted a message on 2/14 Secret Lairs: Theros Stargazing
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Oooh I might actually get all 5 this is tempting

    Before you guys say I’m not smart

    It’s a very simple reason I have none of the original gods besides iroas and that’s only because of the 4 color commander deck

    But also value is there (these are as if non foil)

    2 is worth it with Thassa 1.0 about 20$ kruphix is 10

    4 is worth it since all 3 make the 39.99 (red gods)

    And the auto jackpot is number 3 black with the 2 of the best ones from the original with Erebos and athreos that definatly valued above 39.99



    Why would somebody say you’re not smart? If you don’t own the original gods this isn’t a bad way to get them. For a lot of us, especially the commander players, that ship has long since sailed. Don’t let our opinions sway your decision.
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  • posted a message on 2/14 Secret Lairs: Theros Stargazing
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  • posted a message on 2/14 Secret Lairs: Theros Stargazing
    Yeah, I was hoping for a Secret Lair that I'd finally be interested in. This ain't it.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    100 internet points for you*

















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  • posted a message on 2/14 Secret Lairs: Theros Stargazing
    https://secretlair.wizards.com/us

    The link will auto-direct you to the queue, after which you can view the individual volumes. There are five in total, each of them comprised of three of the original gods from Theros 1, at $40 / volume.

    Sale ends after the conclusion of the World Championships on 2/16.

    Volume 1: Heliod, God of the Sun, Iroas, God of Victory, Karametra, God of Harvests.

    Volume 2: Thassa, God of the Sea, Ephara, God of the Polis, Kruphix, God of Horizons.

    Volume 3: Erebos, God of the Dead, Athreos, God of Passage, Phenax, God of Deception.

    Volume 4: Purphoros, God of the Forge, Mogis, God of Slaughter, Keranos, God of Storms.

    Volume 5: Nylea, God of the Hunt, Xenagos, God of Revels, Pharika, God of Affliction.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Quote from OblivionedOne »
    When’s the announcement supposed to be?


    The link suggests it'll be announced on the Championship stream, which starts at 11 PST. It may take longer than that.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Quote from Whalaqee »
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »
    And if I'm not disgusted, how should I feel then?
    Facepalm

    Your underlying premise is that, for whichever demographic Wizards is targeting, these are must-haves in their entirety.
    Thats because they aren't but are marketed and presented as such. You don't have a notice of three months in advance to make a smart purchase, you have hours to make that decision.

    fundamentally disagree with that premise; for most players these hold no interest, a few players will want some of them, and a scant few will feel the need to own them all. Only for the latter group is that an issue, and that has more to do with their own personal inclinations and prerogatives than anything inherent to Wizard's recently adopted business model.
    So you are defending secret lairs?

    If you really feel pressured to choose between your girlfriend and card stock, you might want re-think the nature of your relationship... or maybe she's the one who needs to do the re-thinking.
    Facepalm Facepalm Facepalm



    I appear to have missed this post yesterday. Sorry.

    Can we pretend, for a moment, that there's some degree of correlation between investment/interest in Magic and forethought or preparedness when it comes to future purchases? I, for instance, have a running spreadsheet on Google docs to track all of my must-haves from past or upcoming sets. My current level of interest in actually making purchases or playing the game is middling, but I've been playing Magic since the late 90's so my overall investment is pretty high, and I manage my collection accordingly. To date, I have not purchased a single Secret Lair, but I'm optimistic at the prospect. What that means - or what I think that means - is that I have a pretty good idea of what reprints I might want to buy months in advance, regardless of where they come from or how much notice I get. How is it, then, that others here with a similar or higher level of interest (I'm not dropping $200+ on alternate art cards) seem to be having such a hard time with an hours long purchase window? How much advance notice is reasonable for a person with the disposable income to afford foiled cardboard?

    And no, I'm not defending Wizards; they certainly don't need my help, of all people. But I do like to point out the entitled behavior of my fellow consumers from time to time.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Certainly no more necessary than a classy rant about being pissed on. Next time I'll be sure to match the decorum of my conversational partner(s).

    Could you unpack for me the blind part of 'blind flash sales'? I wouldn't mind a professional primer on predatory practices while you're at it, but I'll settle for a quick Google search.
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  • posted a message on oubliette is. Coming soon in a set
    I'm having a hard time conceiving of any product release for a card with a French name. Unless... wait, are we finally getting the long awaited French Revolution set?!
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Given the recent barrage of monthly products, I would actually say that's a fair point. I'm not any more used to this pace of release than you are, but if something important to me started occurring more frequently (or got more expensive), then I'd either have to adjust my budget or - if it suddenly moved beyond my means - leave it behind entirely. That's the reality we face as adults, whatever our respective income levels may be.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Quote from Whalaqee »
    Quote from Magiqmaster »
    I just came across this post on Blogatog:

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    rxphantom asked: High fives for Secret Lair! My local game store, like most, was frankly doing too well, making too much money, and needed to be knocked down a peg.

    First off, you have a valid question “Why can’t you run Secret Lair through local game stores?” Framing it as a passive-aggressive snide response adds an unnecessary tone to the post and most of the time will keep people from answering your question. When seeking answers, be polite. Quite often, as you’ll see with this answer, there are reasons you might be unaware of.

    So why don’t we run Secret Lair through local game stores? The short answer is we can’t logistically, at least not without drastically raising the price and taking significantly longer to get the product to you.

    Secret Lair is what is known as a “short window print to order” product. It requires having a single uniform ordering point, otherwise there’s no way to monitor the time cut-off. Also, with print to order, you want a single uniform shipping point. In addition, we want the product to get to as many players as possible (and yes, we’re working on the global reach issues) and many players do not have easy access to a local game store.

    Local game stores are very important to us and we’re making more products than ever sold through local game stores, but not every product works cleanly through them, Secret Lair being a good example. It’s just logistically and financially unviable.

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    I don't get why shipping these Secret Lair cards to LGS costs more; they could be included with other releases like Ikoria, for example. It sounds a bit bogus to me, but it might be true. Who knows?
    Because this lets the scoot around many of the things they dislike.

    These things being the following. Certain specialty products sitting on the shelf at some LGS, gathering dust, as nobody wants it really after the initial hype. Then you got buyer's guides coming out telling you if it should be bought or not, as they talk about things like the quality of the card stock or if the foiling was bad. Then there is the extra payment on the overhead for storing these products in some warehouse because they made more than was needed.

    Buyer's guides can't be truthfully made if the product is always on limited-time offer, as they can't tell you if the card stock got better or if the foiling process improved, they can only make assumptions. The company doesn't need to pay a fee for warehouses if they only met the demand within that limited window. Products won't sit on some shelf unless a LGS owner bought as much as they could.

    These are offers done in the same way as mobile games would do, attached image for an example. As they put it as this special thing up for a limited amount of time. It targets your impulse buying, your feeling of missing out. And the artwork is deliberately done to appeal to as many different demographics as possible, including children with an easy potshot example being <explosion sounds> that looks like it was ripped from one of the Clash Royal / Clash of Clans games.

    The product's marketing and accessibility is very manipulative. Just take the upcoming one for example. So far these have been based on holidays in some manner. So the next one out in a few days is Valentine's Day themed. And its specifically launching on that day no less. So now you got to make a decision if you do have a significant other, how much do you save for the secret lair and how much do you spend on them? Five lairs can be around $150-$200. The only people who don't have to make this decision are those not currently in a relationship.

    Then there is the lie that Mark Rosewater states about having to raise the price and that it would take longer. The increased cost is just a multiplier for how much cash they can grab. They sold Planeswalker Decks which is packaging + 60 cards. These lairs are just packing + 3-8 cards. At most the packaging might cost them a bit more. Yet when done in large runs, like in the hundred thousands, its cheap. Its only expensive if they made a few.

    If that all disgusts you, good, you should feel disgusted.


    And if I'm not disgusted, how should I feel then? Your underlying premise is that, for whichever demographic Wizards is targeting, these are must-haves in their entirety. I fundamentally disagree with that premise; for most players these hold no interest, a few players will want some of them, and a scant few will feel the need to own them all. Only for the latter group is that an issue, and that has more to do with their own personal inclinations and prerogatives than anything inherent to Wizard's recently adopted business model. If you really feel pressured to choose between your girlfriend and card stock, you might want re-think the nature of your relationship... or maybe she's the one who needs to do the re-thinking.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »


    You're not a business major, I take it.


    I sell product to people that make responsible decisions.

    Not everyone has to be shady and piss on customers to make a living.


    Selling candy flavored vape to children is a shady business practice. This is basic marketing, and adults with a paycheck and a degree of restraint should know better.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14


    Good product sells no matter what, bad product requires some shady actions to move.

    ...

    Good products dont need it, only bad product does.


    You're not a business major, I take it.
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