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Quote from ilovesaprolings »Quote from FlossedBeaver » How much do you spend on Magic product? Why does it matter? I'm talking about their pricing. They are increasing their pricing immediatly with the second wind of this product. So what if i spend 25€ every week on magic boosters? They'll jump the price of a booster pack from 4 to 25 and i have to shut up because that's how much i spend on magic Quote from CrimsonWings_3689 » Have you checked the prices of the original art Gods in foil? If you bought each one in foil, as of TCG prices today, it would be ~$465 for 15 cards... or you can get cards that haven't been available or reprinted, as a newer player or a fan of the new art style for a fraction of the cost... Your high horse sir/madam, please dismount it. These products aren't for everyone, and that's ok. You have plenty of other things to look forward to this year as far as other products go. Ooooooooooh, so wizard just fully aknowledged the secondary market and started to price their products based on that and i have to shut up because "the products is not for everyone" and "i'm on a high horse". Nice!
Quote from FlossedBeaver » How much do you spend on Magic product?
Quote from CrimsonWings_3689 » Have you checked the prices of the original art Gods in foil? If you bought each one in foil, as of TCG prices today, it would be ~$465 for 15 cards... or you can get cards that haven't been available or reprinted, as a newer player or a fan of the new art style for a fraction of the cost... Your high horse sir/madam, please dismount it. These products aren't for everyone, and that's ok. You have plenty of other things to look forward to this year as far as other products go.
Quote from ilovesaprolings »Quote from Laughing Loa »Novemember/December Secret Lairs: (5) at $29.99, (2) at $39.99. $200 for a bundle. January Secret Lairs: (1) at $39.99. (no $29.99 products) February Secret Lairs: (5) at $39.99. $150 for a bundle. (no $29.99 products) (J Jonah Jameson Laughing): https://youtu.be/Jy-7q8vmrXM Toss a coin to your wizards! O'valley of Whales really... and there are people still defending this product
Quote from Laughing Loa »Novemember/December Secret Lairs: (5) at $29.99, (2) at $39.99. $200 for a bundle. January Secret Lairs: (1) at $39.99. (no $29.99 products) February Secret Lairs: (5) at $39.99. $150 for a bundle. (no $29.99 products) (J Jonah Jameson Laughing): https://youtu.be/Jy-7q8vmrXM
Quote from Ryperior74 »Oooh I might actually get all 5 this is tempting Before you guys say I’m not smart It’s a very simple reason I have none of the original gods besides iroas and that’s only because of the 4 color commander deck But also value is there (these are as if non foil) 2 is worth it with Thassa 1.0 about 20$ kruphix is 10 4 is worth it since all 3 make the 39.99 (red gods) And the auto jackpot is number 3 black with the 2 of the best ones from the original with Erebos and athreos that definatly valued above 39.99
Quote from OblivionedOne »When’s the announcement supposed to be?
Quote from Whalaqee »Quote from FlossedBeaver »And if I'm not disgusted, how should I feel then? Your underlying premise is that, for whichever demographic Wizards is targeting, these are must-haves in their entirety.Thats because they aren't but are marketed and presented as such. You don't have a notice of three months in advance to make a smart purchase, you have hours to make that decision. fundamentally disagree with that premise; for most players these hold no interest, a few players will want some of them, and a scant few will feel the need to own them all. Only for the latter group is that an issue, and that has more to do with their own personal inclinations and prerogatives than anything inherent to Wizard's recently adopted business model.So you are defending secret lairs? If you really feel pressured to choose between your girlfriend and card stock, you might want re-think the nature of your relationship... or maybe she's the one who needs to do the re-thinking.
Quote from FlossedBeaver »And if I'm not disgusted, how should I feel then?
Your underlying premise is that, for whichever demographic Wizards is targeting, these are must-haves in their entirety.
fundamentally disagree with that premise; for most players these hold no interest, a few players will want some of them, and a scant few will feel the need to own them all. Only for the latter group is that an issue, and that has more to do with their own personal inclinations and prerogatives than anything inherent to Wizard's recently adopted business model.
If you really feel pressured to choose between your girlfriend and card stock, you might want re-think the nature of your relationship... or maybe she's the one who needs to do the re-thinking.
Quote from Whalaqee »Quote from Magiqmaster »I just came across this post on Blogatog: ----------------------------------------------- rxphantom asked: High fives for Secret Lair! My local game store, like most, was frankly doing too well, making too much money, and needed to be knocked down a peg. First off, you have a valid question “Why can’t you run Secret Lair through local game stores?” Framing it as a passive-aggressive snide response adds an unnecessary tone to the post and most of the time will keep people from answering your question. When seeking answers, be polite. Quite often, as you’ll see with this answer, there are reasons you might be unaware of. So why don’t we run Secret Lair through local game stores? The short answer is we can’t logistically, at least not without drastically raising the price and taking significantly longer to get the product to you. Secret Lair is what is known as a “short window print to order” product. It requires having a single uniform ordering point, otherwise there’s no way to monitor the time cut-off. Also, with print to order, you want a single uniform shipping point. In addition, we want the product to get to as many players as possible (and yes, we’re working on the global reach issues) and many players do not have easy access to a local game store. Local game stores are very important to us and we’re making more products than ever sold through local game stores, but not every product works cleanly through them, Secret Lair being a good example. It’s just logistically and financially unviable. ------------------------------------------------ I don't get why shipping these Secret Lair cards to LGS costs more; they could be included with other releases like Ikoria, for example. It sounds a bit bogus to me, but it might be true. Who knows? Because this lets the scoot around many of the things they dislike. These things being the following. Certain specialty products sitting on the shelf at some LGS, gathering dust, as nobody wants it really after the initial hype. Then you got buyer's guides coming out telling you if it should be bought or not, as they talk about things like the quality of the card stock or if the foiling was bad. Then there is the extra payment on the overhead for storing these products in some warehouse because they made more than was needed. Buyer's guides can't be truthfully made if the product is always on limited-time offer, as they can't tell you if the card stock got better or if the foiling process improved, they can only make assumptions. The company doesn't need to pay a fee for warehouses if they only met the demand within that limited window. Products won't sit on some shelf unless a LGS owner bought as much as they could. These are offers done in the same way as mobile games would do, attached image for an example. As they put it as this special thing up for a limited amount of time. It targets your impulse buying, your feeling of missing out. And the artwork is deliberately done to appeal to as many different demographics as possible, including children with an easy potshot example being <explosion sounds> that looks like it was ripped from one of the Clash Royal / Clash of Clans games. The product's marketing and accessibility is very manipulative. Just take the upcoming one for example. So far these have been based on holidays in some manner. So the next one out in a few days is Valentine's Day themed. And its specifically launching on that day no less. So now you got to make a decision if you do have a significant other, how much do you save for the secret lair and how much do you spend on them? Five lairs can be around $150-$200. The only people who don't have to make this decision are those not currently in a relationship. Then there is the lie that Mark Rosewater states about having to raise the price and that it would take longer. The increased cost is just a multiplier for how much cash they can grab. They sold Planeswalker Decks which is packaging + 60 cards. These lairs are just packing + 3-8 cards. At most the packaging might cost them a bit more. Yet when done in large runs, like in the hundred thousands, its cheap. Its only expensive if they made a few. If that all disgusts you, good, you should feel disgusted.
Quote from Magiqmaster »I just came across this post on Blogatog: ----------------------------------------------- rxphantom asked: High fives for Secret Lair! My local game store, like most, was frankly doing too well, making too much money, and needed to be knocked down a peg. First off, you have a valid question “Why can’t you run Secret Lair through local game stores?” Framing it as a passive-aggressive snide response adds an unnecessary tone to the post and most of the time will keep people from answering your question. When seeking answers, be polite. Quite often, as you’ll see with this answer, there are reasons you might be unaware of. So why don’t we run Secret Lair through local game stores? The short answer is we can’t logistically, at least not without drastically raising the price and taking significantly longer to get the product to you. Secret Lair is what is known as a “short window print to order” product. It requires having a single uniform ordering point, otherwise there’s no way to monitor the time cut-off. Also, with print to order, you want a single uniform shipping point. In addition, we want the product to get to as many players as possible (and yes, we’re working on the global reach issues) and many players do not have easy access to a local game store. Local game stores are very important to us and we’re making more products than ever sold through local game stores, but not every product works cleanly through them, Secret Lair being a good example. It’s just logistically and financially unviable. ------------------------------------------------ I don't get why shipping these Secret Lair cards to LGS costs more; they could be included with other releases like Ikoria, for example. It sounds a bit bogus to me, but it might be true. Who knows?
Quote from TheOnlyOne652089 »Quote from FlossedBeaver » You're not a business major, I take it. I sell product to people that make responsible decisions. Not everyone has to be shady and piss on customers to make a living.
Quote from FlossedBeaver » You're not a business major, I take it.
Quote from TheOnlyOne652089 » Good product sells no matter what, bad product requires some shady actions to move. ... Good products dont need it, only bad product does.