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  • posted a message on When does a life become something our laws can protect?
    This is always a fun one. The problems come from the various circumstances. What are we talking about? Is it statutory or common law personhood?
    Constitutionally defined personhood? Are we talking about what morally constitutes a person?

    Each has different circumstances where a different definition of "personhood" is required.

    Example:
    We define personhood at conception.

    A few days later the zygote (or whatever) does not implant. Is this legally a death?
    Say instead, a few days after conception the mother is shot. She dies along with the 5 day old embryo (zygote?). Is that a double homicide?
    Say it is a few days after conception. Mother takes Plan B. Is that murder under this definition?


    I think just about the only thing we can determine is what a person is constitutionally.

    Here is the main excerpt from Roe v. Wade:
    The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a "person" within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well-known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment. The appellant conceded as much on reargument. On the other hand, the appellee conceded on reargument that no case could be cited that holds that a fetus is a person within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment.

    The Constitution does not define "person" in so many words. Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment contains three references to "person." The first, in defining "citizens," speaks of "persons born or naturalized in the United States." The word also appears both in the Due Process Clause and in the Equal Protection Clause. "Person" is used in other places in the Constitution: in the listing of qualifications for Representatives and Senators, Art. I, 2, cl. 2, and 3, cl. 3; in the Apportionment Clause, Art. I, 2, cl. 3; 53 in the Migration and Importation provision, Art. I, 9, cl. 1; in the Emolument Clause, Art. I, 9, cl. 8; in the Electors provisions, Art. II, 1, cl. 2, and the superseded cl. 3; in the provision outlining qualifications for the office of President, Art. II, 1, cl. 5; in the Extradition provisions, Art. IV, 2, cl. 2, and the superseded Fugitive Slave Clause 3; and in the Fifth, Twelfth, and Twenty-second Amendments, as well as in 2 and 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. But in nearly all these instances, the use of the word is such that it has application only postnatally. None indicates, with any assurance, that it has any possible pre-natal application.

    All this, together with our observation, supra, that throughout the major portion of the 19th century prevailing legal abortion practices were far freer than they are today, persuades us that the word "person," as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn.

    This gets interesting when the States get involved,
    [W]e do not agree that, by adopting one theory of life, Texas may override the rights of the pregnant woman that are at stake. We repeat, however, that the State does have an important and legitimate interest in preserving and protecting the health of the pregnant woman, whether she be a resident of the State or a nonresident who seeks medical consultation and treatment there, and that it has still another important and legitimate interest in protecting the potentiality of human life. These interests are separate and distinct. Each grows in substantiality as the woman approaches [p163] term and, at a point during pregnancy, each becomes "compelling."

    So, Constitutionally prenatal is not considered a person; however, states have a compelling state interest in protecting both the woman and the fetus.

    Roe v. Wade has continuously been challenged (and mainly weakened). The really interesting part is how far the states can go towards helping the fetus over the mother. The line is undefined and constantly being pushed.

    One interesting thing to note is the difference between European sentiments towards abortion. The maximum timeframe is only up to about 12 weeks (near the start of brain function iirc). The other side of it is that the European countries focus much more on helping the children that are born. The dichotomy between pro-life and anti-welfare has created a situation in the US where we do our damnedest to protect the child until they are born, then we leave them in the cold.

    In the end, abortion is just part of the world we live in. If we make it illegal, then women will turn to back-alley abortions. The best solution is clearly more contraception, so getting an abortion is never an issue.
    Posted in: Debate
  • posted a message on What is abortion to you?
    To me abortion is the perfect debate topic. The scope of the discussion covers everything, religion, life, death, rights, morality, etc.

    I see no problem with how it is currently handled in the US.
    Posted in: Debate
  • posted a message on League of Legends Season III
    I havent played in a long time... but these skins...
    Posted in: Video Games
  • posted a message on Contraptions, or something else?
    A new Commtraption?
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on League of Legends Season III
    uuuh, has this been posted?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs

    Jinx's spunky music video
    Posted in: Video Games
  • posted a message on League of Legends Season III
    Oh god, dat jinx music video.
    Posted in: Video Games
  • posted a message on Grand Theft Auto 5
    You can play online by yourself. It has a character creator.
    Posted in: Video Games
  • posted a message on Grand Theft Auto 5
    Well... Im glad I own a PS3.

    Started off with the 360 version. Loaded perfectly. Plopped in the other disk. 360 didn't read it. Tried it again. Game worked. Played for a few hours.

    Next day, game does not load. No idea what is wrong with it. Put in other games, and they play fine. The GTA5 disk is perfect. For some reason it will just not work in my 360. (I could have done a few other things to fix this, but they could have been annoying...)

    Decided to take it back to Gamestop. Gamestop exchanged my not-working GTA5 with a new copy. The guy at the register opened this new copy and traded out the DLC code. Took this copy back home, and it didn't work. Same problem, 360 would not read the disk.

    Took it back to a different Gamestop. That Gamestop wouldn't take it back because the game was opened (its against company policy). They told me to take it back to the original Gamestop. Drove over to the original Gamestop and asked to trade the 360 version for a PS3 version. They said no. Their return policy says that they will only trade games in for the exact same game. 360 to PS3 will not work.

    So, I went with my backup plan. They exchanged the GTA5 game again. This time they gave me a completely new game without messing with the wrapping. I took this new GTA5 to a third Gamestop and traded it in for store credit. This worked because you can trade unopened games in for full credit(/possibly refund...). The credit allowed me to swap the game for the PS3 version.

    Have the PS3 version, and now I can happily play it. Going to try to play GTA Online this weekend when the server issues have hopefully been solved.

    Can you play the PS3 GTA Online for free? I haven't played my PS3 since MGS4.
    Posted in: Video Games
  • posted a message on League of Legends Season III
    Can't scrim 100% of the time. Also helpful to try new strategies, aka faker going midriven.
    Posted in: Video Games
  • posted a message on Are Right-wingers inherently racist?
    It's just a flamewar.

    Spam warning. - Blinking Spirit
    Posted in: Debate
  • posted a message on Are Right-wingers inherently racist?
    How hasn't this thread been locked...
    Posted in: Debate
  • posted a message on Makes me embarrassed for "motorcyclists"
    Well, here's my daily rage.

    SUV ranover bikes because they attacked him. SUV had wife/infant in the vehicle. Guy was pulled out of the vehicle at the end of the video and sent to the hospital after a beating.
    NY banned this biker-fest of whatever it is. Other similar incidents have been reported.
    Hopefully, most of these bikers get a nice long time in jail.

    For extensive and detailed info,
    http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1nfe58/mob_of_bikers_surround_suv_and_get_run_over_in/
    Posted in: Talk and Entertainment
  • posted a message on You Make the Card 4 (YMTC4) Winner - Waste Not at 1B!
    What a terrible card.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on what is your first ever deck when you started playing MTG?
    Started with friend's janky deck.

    This was my first deck...

    http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=393599

    Did not understand the difference between casual and competitive when I unleashed this monster.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Need Some Help: What has been the best standard deck since the M10 rules change?
    Well, I was thinking about putting the decks like Merfolk or RB Vampires (one of my favorite decks of all time) in a larger group.
    The top decks, cawblade etc., would start off with a bye.

    Also interested in seeing how Cavern of Souls will affect the matchups...
    Posted in: Magic General
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