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  • posted a message on Turbo Moon
    Quote from crunkyeah »
    Seems like it would be wickedly fun to play if you ask me. Especially against tron players. Not only do you have all the Moon effects but you also have the shaman there to make them take more damage off the karn/map/o-stone activations. I guess the same could be said for Twin and Pod.

    I have a few questions though:

    1. How does the bashing plan compete with RDW in terms of speed? RDW is based all around mountains obviously so it doesn't hinder them at all. At that point you're really looking for a faster clock. Spellskite can't really be relied upon to save the day every game.
    2. Do the moon effects slow down robots/affinity enough to where you can create a bigger board presence? Seems like a single Cranial Plated Ornithopter can be pretty nasty if you can't find a Lightning Bolt.
    3. No Pithing Needle in the 75 to deal with Liliana of the Veil? She seems pretty popular these days and a completed ultimate might not be a good thing for you. Seems like there has to be something other than Shaman to keep PW in check.

    Overall though I could see how this could have lots of success in the meta. The only bad thing about it is if you play casual with it at all you're bound to run into a bunch of decks that don't use non-basics. Although I will say since the reprinting of the shock lands it's a lot more common to see non-basics but there are a bunch of budget decks out there playing only basics.

    P.S. Ever thought about Acidic Slime? I could see some artifacts/enchantments giving you a hassle, such as Ensnaring Bridge or Ghostly Prison.

    Yes man it is wicked fun but also pretty hard in some matches, lets address your questions for this.

    1.- The RDW and Burn decks are ok since we do get a lot of card that get us life and but we do have 8 almost dead cards in our main deck, so i guess its like 40%-%60 in their favor for the first game it is not unwinnable but we do rely on a second turn blocker third turn huntmaster some oozes and race them to the finish, this is why the baloths ar eso important they really turn the tables along with the other guys so i mostly side 4 blood moon and 2 magus of the moon out and bring 2 spellskites 2 baloths and 2 relic of progenitus ( if there is a lavamancer in sight and because it is better than having the magus and if its a RDW variant with a lot of critters anger of the gods most likely will seal the deal, after sb i would say its somehting like %70-%30 in our favor.

    2.- The robots/affinity Match has been a nightmare for me and this is not really because we have a really bad match against them it is just that they can get those nut hands and if we don't get a hold of 2 bolts and any card on our SB we will be dead, so if you know you are against robots in game one mulligan until you get at least a bolt, for the most part the match is something like " the first to tremble loses". the SB plan is very simple: 4 magus of the moon, 1 Beast within and 3 Sword of war and peace out. 3 anger of the gods, 3 Shatterstorm and 2 Obstinate Baloth in.
    Pre SB it ssomething like %60 -%40 on their favor and Post SB something like %70-%30 in ours but you have to mulligan heavily to get a SB piece this is very important. Oh and in cas eyour wondering yeah i leave the blood moons in because stopping those Nexus is a must.

    3.- No pithing needle on the deck because although its a great card and Liliana is really something to be reckoned with, we do have bolt and beast within ( see? beast within catches everything). and Baloths on the SB, still JUND which is the deck that uses her to her full extent its a tricky match up. but if you know how to play it and you can lock them with a moon they will not be able to do anything.. they do pack 3-4 Abrupt decay on main to deal with them but they have to be prepared and never tap out 2 lands and even if they do that you can always abuse Beast within at the end of turn.

    As for the playing this deck in a casual environment.. well i would suggest not to do it since casual players are more about having fun and this deck will not let them do so if they are playing a lot of nonbasics and if they have a lot of basics you will have a mediocre deck, as Ive said this is a deck that aims to wreck the Modern metagame.

    I have thought about acidic slime and believe me i think that card is bonkers, but i believe he is not needed here and that there are better and cheaper/faster ways to do what he does here,since for the most part nobody plays ghostly prision, and ensnaring bridge is easy to get rid of with DA BEAST :P. i do feel that a deck like The Rack could be hard to beat since they do not rely on nonbasics and i cannot interact with its main plan but i would still had to test against it and i guess i will worry when everybody starts playing it.

    Thanks for the comments and the questions.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Turbo Moon
    Quote from VidarThor »

    How is stormbreath dragon?

    He is amazing as i have told before he not only is a fast and synergistic clock he is also very hard to get rid of... trust me on this one he is there to stay.

    Quote from VidarThor »
    What about Xenagos the planewalker?

    Well I have thought about him and i have also though and used some other planeswalkers like Chandra Pyromaster and Garruk Relentless, and Garruk Primal Hunter being this last one by far the better choice for this deck, but in the end i cut it just because he is not fast enough at least in the current meta i always wanted to play something with a lot more impact than him by the time i hit 5 mana. That being said i could see xenagos being a good choice if the field was all about control but it isnt.

    Quote from VidarThor »

    Also, would it not be better with sword of ice and fire? Or one or two swords of ice and fire. I am also not sold on beast within. What is it there for besides stooping combo creature decks (pod/splinter twin) What about flame slash? Although this last card does not smash the birthing pod. Perhaps Kitchen finks, they seem always good.

    Well as i have said before the Sword of War and Peace is just bonkers here and it serves 3 purposes, protecting a magus of the moon or your beater of choice, Giving you life against some decks that could get a better board position faster than you and to put a lot of pressure on the opponent that will not be bale to play anything under a moon effect. The sword of fire and ice has always been tempting but i don't think that it can be better in any case here, but hey.. try it and let me know.
    As for the Beast within well, i have thought about cutting it a lot of times but there is not a better card for this slot, if you use flameslash you dont have any responses to a pod on the main deck and flameslash most of the times doesn't kill a tarmogoyf anyway so.. i would rather give them a 3/3 beast than losing to an active deceiver exarch/Restoration Angel or to lose against an ensnaring bridge, karn, and that big ETC... but if you know of abetter card to be ready to defend ourselves against almost anything and to be bale to trump the basic lands the opponents get in order to play under a moon let us know :).
    The Kitchen Finks wel they could be great in the sb but as i explained above, the baloths serve a better purpose than just giving life and we already have the centaur in the 3cmc slot so i dont think we need them.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Turbo Moon
    I.- Introduction

    I bet a lot of us thought that Blood Moon was a crappy rare back in the day right?, well I'm sure a lot of us don't think that way anymore. That being said it is outstanding the amount of frustration this card can give to some people because it just seems unfair to not be able to play anything while your opponent bash you in the face, and although in legacy it is a very proven archetype and in Modern things like the Blue Moon deck has been trying to do this for a while now, or even having something like 80% of the decks running red having it on their sideboard... well... It just doesn't cut it for me.
    This is a mere intro for an idea that i wont say its revolutionary in any way, but it aims to push that wrecking ball of an effect on a format filled with nonbasic lands.

    II - The Core
    The core of the deck is divided in 2 things

    - Blood Moon
    - Acceleration to Blood Moon


    Are by far the best choice for this. (I must say i used to play deathrite shaman instead of noble hierarch before he was banned, but i know now that hierarch is by far the better choice even if the shaman wasn't banned anymore).

    III - Protect the Core

    In order to be able to land a 2nd turn Moon we have it covered with our 8 1st turn accelerators, but sometimes we have to wait in order to be able to protect our goal and seal the deal.

    The justification for each of these cards is quite simple.

    -Lightning Bolt is one of the best cheap removals and it helps to finish the opponent sooner when you are racing him to recover under a moon.

    -Beast Within is a catch em all joker card, the amount of games this card wins alone is outstanding, either destroying the sole basic land an
    opponent has in play, or playing it at the end of turn to trump a Telegraphed counterspell, to getting rid of that big creature you cannot handle
    with a bolt.

    -The sword of war and Peace it is also a multi purpose card, it can help you protect any creature from almost any removal played on Modern
    (being Vapor Snag and Dismember the only ones that can handle a creature with this protection in the current meta), so its great but it is also
    synergistic with the idea that your opponent most likely will be stuck with a lot of cards in hand not being able to play them, so any creature
    even a Bird of paradise is a great clock.

    IV - The Bashers

    Here the options are a bit sketchy to some people and although the obvious inclusions (for some), tarmogoyf and kitchen finks were tested at some point, in the end i decided to cut them off for far superior choices according to the meta since well at its core it is what the deck is aiming to wreck the metagame.

    As i said Tarmogoyf and Kitchen Finks was tested on the slots of the ooze, shaman and huntmaster and they were ok but not great so ill explain why did i make those changes.

    - Scavenging Ooze is one of those cards nowadays that is just better than everything and it is not only a big booty for 2 mana (read Tarmogoyf),
    so he went from a 1 of to 3 and sometimes i would just want to push one more but it is not possible since the deck is pretty tight as it is.

    - Huntmaster of The Fells is one of those cards that is great when you can find him a good spot on a deck and not great, that being said he shines
    on this deck since you have somehow the same synergy that you get with the sword playing him under a moon effect,
    "T1. land+mana dude, T2. land+moon, T3. land+huntmaster" This gives you a pretty good chance he will flip on your next upkeep because they
    will be stuck not able to playing anything, and if that perfect curve doesn't happen he can always be a good defense strategy so he fits perfectly.

    -Burning-Tree Shaman, he is the most recent addition i made and here is where the Tarmogoyfs sat for almost the entirety of this deck creation.
    The thing with the tarmos is that although they are a good clock and an excellent blocker, they do not help us a lot more than that and in my search
    for optimization i found this forgotten gem that it seems even better than when he was rampant all over T2 back in the day.
    The centaur is awesome at blocking it is immune to Bolts and although Path to exile, Abrupt Decay and Dismember get rid of him he is not a joke on
    the body department, but his ability is awesome, he keeps most of the Planeswalkers in check, he gives an extra damage when a fetchland is
    sacrificed, he forces the Splinter Twin, Birthing Pod matches to our favor essentially having 3 spellskites on our main deck. so for all that he
    gets the spot.

    -Stormbreath Dragon, well he is just what the doctor ordered why?... Well a lot of people that has seen the deck makes this same question
    "Why Stormbreath Dragon over lets say Thundermaw Hellkite?" the answer is pretty simple and it has to do with the same principle as the
    Sword of War and Peace. he is immune to Bolt, Path and Decay. and his monstrosity ability is also synergistic with the core of the deck so
    there is no better creature for this deck than him.

    V - The Mana Base

    - The Mana base is quite simple and it cannot be different since every land has to be able to give us green mana and everything needs to enter the battlefield untapped, as for the Fetchlands you want to almost always go for a forest and maximize the amount of those before landing the Moon in play.

    VI - Decklist

    VII - The Sideboard

    The SB as always its a meta call but since we are a meta deck by itself and we have some cards on main that could be considered SB cards ill post here my current SB and explain my choices.

    -The options here are addressing not what hits us the most but instead the things that really couldnt care less about our main plan.

    -Spellskite: help protect our core but also to help against the Infect and Twin matchups.

    -Torpor Orb: for the Splinter Twin match as well as for the Birthing Pod decks out there and arguably helps against snapcaster decks.

    -Boil: This could easily be the 4th beast within but since you want that card for the same matches that this card can be great it is a better
    choice, this matches being UW control, American Control, Blue Moon, and Scapeshift. (yes scapeshift although it is one of the best
    matchups for the deck they can always get basic islands pretty easily if they are prepared for it).

    -Relic of progenitus: I do need some graveyard hate in here and it is also great to get Tarmogoyfs and Snapcasters in check even more now that I'm not playing Tarmos myself.

    -Obstinate Baloth: this guy here is to help us against that fast Red decks and also against Jund because they cant kill him with abrupt decay nor
    bolt, and he just loves to be played for free when they activate Liliana, he is also synergistic with our next card choice.

    -Anger of the Gods: This card is a must against Birthing Pod decks because removing a kitchen finks or a voice of resurgence its always great, Hatebears and all things aggro, but it also helps with the deck that can wreck anything without caring about our plan if he gets the right hand... AFFINITY... hence...

    -Shatterstorm: There is no better card for this plain and simple, for some time i played creeping corrosion, Ancient grudge and even Vandalblast (for its versatility). but there is no better choice than this and we do need at least 3 because having it or not having it on turn 2 ts almost the only chance we have of winning, since the first game its most likely 70%-30% in their favor.

    As i said the SB is always a meta call but this so far is the best 15 i have found for the current Meta as of 25-08-2014.

    VIII - Notes and Results

    So far i have won several FNM, Some Modern League tournaments and Cash prices with it and recently i lost the final of PTQ Khans of Tarkir to a very, very lucky Infect Player going 6-1 in the rounds and losing only 6 games total in the whole tournament. I'm sure that the Shamans were the better choice vs the Tarmogoyfs i used to run but that could change if the format keeps morphing.

    I was asked to write this Primer for almost 4 months now but i haven't been able due to work and stuff, but since now after the PTQ a lot of people have asked me for the list i figured it would be better to write it and share it with everyone. I hope people like my idea and really test it through before commenting, that being said i would love to see what everyone thinks of this.


    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on THS pics and Masterbase
    ok links fixed.. sorry bout that.
    Posted in: Third Party Products
  • posted a message on THS pics and Masterbase
    Well since the full spoiler is out....

    Here is the low res version of the pics and an Edited Masterbase (fixed some bad names), taken from this forum.. so al lcredit to chaosof99 here

    anyway here is the file, just unpack and replace master.mwbase Pics Masterbase
    Posted in: Third Party Products
  • posted a message on [Deck/Primer] Nightmare Effect
    Hey.. Hexmage+depths+crop rotation+thespian stage... is always a cool package.. (note that im not saying we should include it here.. but im not saying we shouldnt either..;)...

    But hey.. case in point.. yeah ditch the Fume Spitter.. im not playing less than 3 abrupt decays nowadays, and as for reducing the TE count im not sure.. but ill try it out and see how it goes..
    Posted in: Developing (Legacy)
  • posted a message on [Deck/Primer] Nightmare Effect
    Hey Pingu, it's been a loong time huh?.. glad to hear you might come back soon.

    As for the list above.. it seems pretty cool.. i would just trade the fume spitter for a 2nd abrupt decay and maybe play a 4 IOK 3 Cabal therapy package.. but hey that is just me..
    Posted in: Developing (Legacy)
  • posted a message on Box Mapping Thread - GTC Gatecrash Edition
    i cant see the 1.2.1 version on the store yet.. im guessing we have to wait a bit?.. im talking about the andrid version...

    EDIT: So it appears that it is there.. i just couldnt update.. but i uninstalled and re installed an di have the newest version.. great
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on Box Mapping Thread - GTC Gatecrash Edition
    hehe ok i fugured it out.. it worked ok.. although one of the predictions were off but just 1 of them and for the better.. ( predicted high priest of penance and it was a breeding pool) after that it went smooth...

    Still... worst box i have ever opened.. damn....
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on Box Mapping Thread - GTC Gatecrash Edition
    ok i have just opened the box no 2 and with that swap it worked like a charm.. awesome..

    im still unsure about the box no 1...
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on Box Mapping Thread - GTC Gatecrash Edition
    Quote from Vinzito
    Actually, if you just swap the 2 and 5 that I've highlighted in box 2, it should work.

    Box 1 looks like it has 4 removals, which isn't too bad, you could probably just space them out.


    Actually, just space two of them out and you'll be fine. Like this:


    The two red packs are the empty spaces we've made. But you'll still put them in your sleeve map.

    The two green packs are the extras we have left over after shifting everything.

    Ok ill try this.. but.. in the box 1 what i do is.. move the 6th row to the first row? so originally like this?


    to something like this?


    then rmove the two packs you told me? like this?


    or how did you come up with the pattern?


    where do the 5,1,2 from the first row came from?...
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on Box Mapping Thread - GTC Gatecrash Edition
    Ok so i have cracked 2 boxes perfectly.. then i got 2 more.. and WHOa.. this things are beyond scrambled .. neither the app nor me have a clue on how to Unscramble this.. PLEASE HELP.

    Here are the sleeve maps.

    Being: 1.- Boros 2.-Orzhov 3.-Simic 4.- Gruul 5.-Dimir

    Box 1:


    Box 2:


    From the first one i can figure out maybe some row shifting and some pack removals.. but the second one?..OMFG whats up with that box...

    Please help..
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  • posted a message on [Deck/Primer] Nightmare Effect
    Well after a long looong time im here to report my last tournament with this deck, finally i've been able to build a legacy leaguewhere i live now and i had been playing some other decks but in the last date i decided to go back to our beloved Horror shennenigans and yes i did splashed green for abrupt decay, so here's the list i played.

    I played 4 rounds and a top 4 that eventually led me to a 4th place finnish of about 28 players.

    I played the first round against Esper StoneBlade, and well there was nothing he could do i mean the attrition battle is so much in our favor that is ridiculous, and it always helps that nobody gives the Horror a second look until it is too late.

    Second round i played a bizarre counterbalance deck with a Laboratory maniac+Thought Lash... I lost not being able to deal with thought lash and figuring out the combo too late.

    Third round: i played against a super strong build of RDW and barely made it, liliana gave me a lot of time and she took some bolts for the team until i drew a jitte and hen it was over, with SB it is almost impossible to win, i tell you if more people starts playing RDW (with tangle wires wishadan port and wasteland) instead of burn it will not be very good for us.

    Fourth Round: Merfolks, i mean this is the match i believe this deck is made for he didnt even really stood a chance in both games, not even topdecking FOW o counter my Tortured Existence, and it is in here that the abrupt decay shone.

    In the top i played against a Canadian Threshold, strangely enough it was one of my mates deck and i have tested this match thoroughly.. alas.. i couldnt win a single game, he pulled everything he needed and i didnt.. cant say much about it, but it definetly needs to be addressed because it is one of the most dominant decks at the moment.

    In the end i ended up in 4th place as i mentioned and the Canadian Threshold guy won the whole thing.

    I have to say that i didnt missed the hymn to tourach's in any match but i could see playing the 4th inquisition of kozileck in maindeck and OMFG.. i was so against TOP and i must say it was an MVP that day so Pingu let me know of your thoughts.
    Posted in: Developing (Legacy)
  • posted a message on [Deck/Primer] Nightmare Effect
    Hey there awesome job on the new primer pingu keep it going.... although im still saying the name doesnt make sense anymore there is no more nightmare effect here and with a new primer it would be the best time to adress that. (just saying)
    Posted in: Developing (Legacy)
  • posted a message on [Deck/Primer]The Nightmare Effect
    Hey guys.. i couldnt type before.. but here are my thoughts..

    Ok Enchantress (probably one of my top 3 all time fave decks).. is not really big on any meta.. in a 100 people tournament youll probably see 1 2 if lucky.. so i wouldnt worry, and the only card that i could recomend using against it is dystopia because it also covers some other decks. Irini seems like a cool idea if you run an entomb toolbox package but if not, forget it.

    As for the Removal i believe in the main 4 shriekmaw 4 gatekeeper, 3 horror (ping) Vampire nighthawk and Stinkly are pretty much enough removal.. but i have needed some more in the past mostly against goblins.. i used to ran 2 smothers on the Sb but in the end i cut them to put my secret tech back then wich was to splash blue to take affinity down, as for the gobs i ran 2 eng plagues but that was never enough and my matches were pretty even specially against the Red black version of goblins.

    Ratchet bomb is not really working, and ill probably ran powder keg instead just because it hits artifact lands, you could also try to splash green for pernicious deed, but this has been discussed before and to me is not worth it.

    Nantuko shade is a really bad card in this deck, too mana intensive and with no evasion.. Shade was made to be in Control decks period.

    Victim of night could be a good option since it hits everything in affinity and most of the other decks in any meta.

    Here is the last Sb i played competively.

    2 Pithing Needle
    4 Leyline of the Void
    2 Energy Flux
    2 Dystopia
    3 Smother
    2 Engineered Plague

    Pithing needles are pretty pretty good even if you ran revokers in main.. i would change it a bit nowadays.. a light splash is fine with me.. and you can always think of cards to fit in the sb that totally hose decks like enchantress.. but i dont think is worth it..

    Im tired but ill try to post what it could be my new sb tomorrow.. cheers
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