Whenever a non-creature permanent becomes untapped, its controller loses 1 life unless he or she sacrifices it.
GB
Feast and Famine
Enchantment
When THIS comes into play, untap all lands any number of opponents control. Whenever you untap a permanent you gain 1 life.
Which is rather missing the point. Blade Splicer is great because it not only provides virtual card advantage, he provides an awesome board position and can win the game on his own.
That's a rare occurence, and no you are missing the point, a 4/4 mostly first strike for 2w would not be played in pod. It's the fact that it provides 4/4 while providing VCA. Technically the rager + card from rager could win the game on their own as well.
Wow, what a good reason to run Unburial Rites and/or Mimic Vat- both of which are pretty common among pod lists these days, right?
Wait, I think you're trying to say that a graveyard full of 3 or less CMC permanents doesn't play well with Sun Titan. Either you don't understand what card advantage is... or you don't understand how Birthing Pod actually works. I'm getting the sense its the latter.
You are wrong on both accounts, in a hyperbole of an example what I am saying is the existance of Grizzly Bears does not make Green Sun's Zenith better. In other words:
I'm just saying the point of sun titan recursion isn't all that valid as it's one of the weaker things to do w/ titan.
Except Mirran Crusader plays frighteningly well with Elesh Norn. So basically, its a pretty decent 3-drop on its own, and it goes berserk once you get your 'Overrun'. Personally, I use Garruk Relentless instead of Elesh Norn.
It's good with your 7 drop(which should say "I win" anyways), a PW ult(another "I win"), and overrun(which by the time it is cast if crusader isn't dead then the player is in trouble anyways.)
Glissa is part of a three card engine that does not usually win you the game. Blade Splicer, is part of a two card engine that often does win you the game.
A: First the win the game part makes no sense, you are telling me that the 3/3 is often the difference in the game when you have a pod? And you think a pod + protection for it is not enough to win most games?
B: The engines can be synonymous 3 drop + pod. (the 3/3 is not part of the engine)
Either you don't understand what engines are... or you don't understand how Birthing Pod actually works
C: Glissa is not necessarily a 3 card engine piece(and even if I do want that most pod lists run 25+ creatures so a single creature only is rare.) as glissa can be sacced just doesn't give value.(the engine still starts)
The relevant part of Blade Splicer against aggro, is the fact you are getting two bodies for one card. So you play Splicer, turn it into a Solemn Simulacrum or a Skinrender, and you still have a 3/3 golem kicking around.
That's simply not true.
Except you were trying to say it has a spot in Junk and GBx Pod, which it doesn't. There really isn't any way you can look at such a sub-standard card and squeeze it in. If it drew two cards, maybe- but that isn't a reason to go running for Moriok Replica.
When did I say it had a spot in junk? Find a single time. I've said it is the best 3 drop in GB and is slightly worse than blade splicer.
P.S. Next time don't be so condescending as you may find that you are actually wrong.
This is just absurd reasoning. You can't include the value of the card drawn in your value of Phyrexian Rager. Rager is a 2-for-1, like you say. That is all. Just like nearly every other card in the deck. If my deck is 30 islands and 30 divinations, is casting Divination a '60 for 1'?
Why? I'm calculating the average value a rager will give(and by extension that card.) If I didn't cast the rager versus if I did and got the card. And no for divination you did your math way off.(mine also was an estimation if you want a true calculation I can do that...)
How often does that matter? I run Junk Pod, and I currently run 0 copies of Phyrexian Rager because he's just not as good as Blade Splicer if I am podding 'for value' at the 3-slot.
It matter a lot during a board sweeper. Virtual CA is worse than true CA.
Sure, there's also Phantasmal Image, Fiend Hunter and Sylvok Replica.
I'm not knocking on sun titan, I'm just saying the point of sun titan recursion isn't all that valid as it's one of the weaker things to do w/ titan.
I think that this is the crux of the matter. If you play decks with Mirran Crusader, you *need* the white 3 drops, or they crush you. Particularly if they have Honor of the Pure or a Sword (and what decks run Mirran Crusader and those cards?)
I'm not going to disagree that crusader is tough, however it is 4/60 and many play perilous myr or some other way of killing it.
What does this mean? Blade Splicer is ideally placed to be podded through, while Glissa is a chain ender. They seem like completely different cards.
They are in some ways they aren't in others. Both are 3 cmc 3/3 first strikers(relevant part of splicer versus aggro). One is good to pod out of and one has deathtouch. Often you want a glissa on the field while podding. It is rare to not be able to start up the chain somewhere else.
So, Phyrexian Rager is worse than Blade Splicer.
Never said it wasn't, just not as much as you seem to think.
Uh. Rock is pretty much strictly worse than Junk, because G/W/x is the most solid mana base you can ask for in a three color deck and you've got access to the two strongest colors in magic right now (Green and White).
Let's see why then?
I am not entirely sure what a 'huge mans issue' would be, but it sounds... not MTG-related.
Was that really needed? I post on my phone 90% of the time.
I'm going to take a flying leap of faith, and hope you just made a series of amusing typos. My experience is that any G/W/x mana base is pretty solid this season, and is supported by 2 playable dorks, Viridian Emissary, and Solemn Simulacrum. The only difference between Wedge and Allied is the that you lose access to a single Scars land. If you just toss some lands together and hope, I could see you having problems. Basically, if you know how to build a decent mana base, you'll be fine. Just don't rely on non-basics too much, and you'll be in good shape.
Since you obviously know more than the pros who have issues with solar flare's shard manabase, how about you show me one that has a better manabase than a two color deck?
Card advantage is card advantage, and Unburial Rites is effective at reusing Slimes, Titans, Sheoldreds, and all sorts of fatties. If you've got a finisher you want to keep around, Unburial Rites is difficult to beat.
And if you don't draw pod so there's no finisher to be found for a while? Dead card. Also, for that CA you pay a total of 9 cmc, I can get 2 for 1s at 3.
So because Phyrexian Rager can draw a card, you think it's nearly as good as Blade Splicer? No. Splicer is a superior card because not only is it 4 power for 3 mana, it can very easily provide a lot of virtual card advantage, and is downright brutal with Mimic Vat or Sun Titan. Without its ability to control the board, I suspect you lose a lot of games to RDW, Tempered Steel, and other faster Aggro decks.
Well let's see, If most of my non-land cards are 2 for 1s, rager will be a 3 for 1 around half the time. The other times a 2 for 1. So he is a 2.5 for 1 on average. He is also true CA not virtual CA like splicer. I can do better things with a sun titan than recurring a 1/1 that makes a 3/3. Aggro is my toughest MU, however I do just fine. Without a pod, glissa works in around the same way as splicer does. With one it just means I can't sac her to my pod. Rager is as good against control/midrange/ramp and slightly worse against aggro.
Unburial Rites is ridiculously awesome, and honestly, going GWb is probably better than going just GB. Splashing into three colors isn't hard, and Blade Splicer is worth it. Reaper from the Abyss is... pretty much the definition of overkill. To get value, you need to have a creature die each turn (yours and your opponent's). This means you need to have Sheoldred and Birthing Pod going constantly to make him worth it. At that point, you should be winning already. I have a hard time justifying him over Grave Titan or Massacre Wurm, let alone Primeval Titan or Brutalizer Exarch.
I agree on reaper, however rock is better.
A: 3 color decks have huge mans issues wspecially if not shard(look at flare which is a shard...)
B: unburial rites isn't even all that amazing in non flare
C: blade splicer is better than rager but not by much
D: point a(such a huge point)
People on mws are getting quite mean about this deck:
<New Game: waiting for opponent>
Owner shuffles library
<Owner> Gl, hf.
Owner draws 0 cards
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
<MAJANO-ESP> I am ready.
MAJANO-ESP draws 0 cards
<-------- Juego nuevo comenzado -------->
El código de seguridad de MAJANO-ESP es: 2F5E966D [Type 1.5]
El código de seguridad de Owner es: AB166807 [???]
It is now turn 1 (Owner)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<MAJANO-ESP> hi
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
<Owner> hey
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
<Owner> gl
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
Owner shuffles library
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
Owner shuffles library
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
MAJANO-ESP rolled a 1, using a 20 sided die
Owner rolled a 6, using a 20 sided die
MAJANO-ESP draws 7 cards
<Owner> ip
Owner draws 7 cards
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
MAJANO-ESP rearranges cards in MAJANO-ESP's Hand
<Owner> ok?
<MAJANO-ESP> tier dekc?
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
<Owner> gg?
<Owner> g2?
<MAJANO-ESP> what are you doing?
<Owner> i win... 7 poultices
<MAJANO-ESP> why?
<Owner> have u ever played magic before?
<MAJANO-ESP> 4 copies for card max
<Owner> not for herbal poultice
<Owner> its just that good
<MAJANO-ESP> you are a NOOB
<Owner> this is magic not pokemon
<MAJANO-ESP> and i **** with your mother
<Owner> poultice deck wins...
<MAJANO-ESP> i am eating her ***** now
<Owner> so, g2?
<MAJANO-ESP> play with your **** mother
<System> Player Lost
Interesting list! How are you liking the KWR? Also, I have noticed you are a big fan of SoFaF.....how often are you dropping that T2 to swing it T3 on a BoP? On more thing, with all but 3 of your creatures being elligible targets, have you considered running a couple Green Sun Zeniths? (maybe in the SB for matchups that you might not want 3 Thruns) Anyhow, I am looking forward to hearing about your results!
GSZ is a good idea, I feel there isnt room though. SoFaF on birds or elves T2 happens say 40% of games.
I think GSZ can work better in this deck than pod.
This deck simply can't deal with pure WR ramp.1 KWR can easily be slimed or GQed.
Talking about INN lands, township can be good in any GWx pod though.
I disagree, pod finds everything, GSZ doesnt. It has a good MU versus mono G WRR as kessigs shouldnt live for long with 4 pods, 3 slimes, and 3 BWs. So can theirs.
Actually 6 total creatures GSZ can't get, but still, I'm with this guy.
-1 Thrun
-2 Llanowar Elves
+3 GSZ
I think those changes would really smooth out your deck. -3 dead cards late game (dorks are nearly worthless late game as are multiple Thruns) +3 amazing cards that help with consistency.
@MidwayJC - I think you definitely have the right idea with that setup. You might want to run a little more than 22 lands though, at least try 23. And you might try:
-2 Llanowar Elves
-1 Entomber Exarch (this guy is SB material)
+3 Green Sun's Zenith
It will allow you to bring some toolbox green creatures in from your SB in certain match-ups. You could bring in Mayor of Avabruck against control for example. Or you could bring in Brindle Boar and Tree of Redemption against RDW.
In any event, thank you for organizing your deck post a little better. I've had a lot of trouble sorting through your lists in the past =)
@tifo86 - he's not GW/x.. He's GB so the township wouldn't work there.
Thanks, I will test your changes as well, since I run 4 probes I'm really playing a 56 card deck so 22 is fine. No problem :).
my point is, splash red for a single KWR may be not a good plan,because decks with green have slime, other decks usually have 2 GQ.
I am just uncertain about Primeval titans in pod decks....
That's true, dies to a specific removal is a bad argument though. Imagine intead of titan it's Giantsoaur: a 4GG 6/6 Trample when it cip you get an emblem with XGRT: Wold run text and a land that produces G. When it attacks you get two lands. This emblem dies to A-Slime and B-Within(only two real played LD)
Doesn't the same point stand against your Gavony Township suggestion?
I just don't understand how your explanation shows that splashing white for Township is better than splashing red for KWR.
And even then, KWR is hardly his focus in the deck. It's a combo that doesn't require a large number of cards in the deck to make it work. He can easily win without it, and probably does often.
Exactly, Titan is just one of many win-cons.
@last 2
It's worth playing a colorless and a dual for the power it gives you.
Congrats bant pod, I do want to say I'm dissapointed that it isn't just open ended like last time, but bant has shown results to get a DC(i still don't think its the best pod.) So what we have left is basically g/b/x and naya? Time for us to get rolling.
Grim Masochism 1BBB
Enchantment
Whenever you lose life, all creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the amount of life lost. If Grim Masochism is triggered more than 4 times in a single turn, destroy it and all creatures you control.
1BBB
Enchantment-Curse
Enchant Player
Whenever enchanted player loses life, ceature's they control get -X/-X until EOT where X is the life lost.
Living Altar 3
Artifact
Whenever you sacrifice a permanent, put a charge counter on living altar. Then, you may transform living altar if it has 5 or more charge counters on it.
/////////// Altarvus
Artifact Creature- Construct
Remove a charge counter from Altarvus: Altarvus deals 1 damage to target creature or player.
Remove 5 charge counters from altarvus: destroy target permanent and transform Altarvus.
1/5
0
Artifact
Sacrifice a Permanent: Put up to one charge counter on target permanent.
Each player gains 8 life for each enchantment they control.
put
GB
Feast and Famine
Enchantment
When THIS comes into play, untap all lands any number of opponents control. Whenever you untap a permanent you gain 1 life.
1G
Instant
Destroy target enchantment, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
That's a rare occurence, and no you are missing the point, a 4/4 mostly first strike for 2w would not be played in pod. It's the fact that it provides 4/4 while providing VCA. Technically the rager + card from rager could win the game on their own as well.
You are wrong on both accounts, in a hyperbole of an example what I am saying is the existance of Grizzly Bears does not make Green Sun's Zenith better. In other words:
It's good with your 7 drop(which should say "I win" anyways), a PW ult(another "I win"), and overrun(which by the time it is cast if crusader isn't dead then the player is in trouble anyways.)
A: First the win the game part makes no sense, you are telling me that the 3/3 is often the difference in the game when you have a pod? And you think a pod + protection for it is not enough to win most games?
B: The engines can be synonymous 3 drop + pod. (the 3/3 is not part of the engine)
C: Glissa is not necessarily a 3 card engine piece(and even if I do want that most pod lists run 25+ creatures so a single creature only is rare.) as glissa can be sacced just doesn't give value.(the engine still starts)
That's simply not true.
When did I say it had a spot in junk? Find a single time. I've said it is the best 3 drop in GB and is slightly worse than blade splicer.
P.S. Next time don't be so condescending as you may find that you are actually wrong.
Why? I'm calculating the average value a rager will give(and by extension that card.) If I didn't cast the rager versus if I did and got the card. And no for divination you did your math way off.(mine also was an estimation if you want a true calculation I can do that...)
It matter a lot during a board sweeper. Virtual CA is worse than true CA.
I'm not knocking on sun titan, I'm just saying the point of sun titan recursion isn't all that valid as it's one of the weaker things to do w/ titan.
I'm not going to disagree that crusader is tough, however it is 4/60 and many play perilous myr or some other way of killing it.
They are in some ways they aren't in others. Both are 3 cmc 3/3 first strikers(relevant part of splicer versus aggro). One is good to pod out of and one has deathtouch. Often you want a glissa on the field while podding. It is rare to not be able to start up the chain somewhere else.
Never said it wasn't, just not as much as you seem to think.
Let's see why then?
Was that really needed? I post on my phone 90% of the time.
Since you obviously know more than the pros who have issues with solar flare's shard manabase, how about you show me one that has a better manabase than a two color deck?
And if you don't draw pod so there's no finisher to be found for a while? Dead card. Also, for that CA you pay a total of 9 cmc, I can get 2 for 1s at 3.
Well let's see, If most of my non-land cards are 2 for 1s, rager will be a 3 for 1 around half the time. The other times a 2 for 1. So he is a 2.5 for 1 on average. He is also true CA not virtual CA like splicer. I can do better things with a sun titan than recurring a 1/1 that makes a 3/3. Aggro is my toughest MU, however I do just fine. Without a pod, glissa works in around the same way as splicer does. With one it just means I can't sac her to my pod. Rager is as good against control/midrange/ramp and slightly worse against aggro.
See rebuttal B.
I agree on reaper, however rock is better.
A: 3 color decks have huge mans issues wspecially if not shard(look at flare which is a shard...)
B: unburial rites isn't even all that amazing in non flare
C: blade splicer is better than rager but not by much
D: point a(such a huge point)
<New Game: waiting for opponent>
Owner shuffles library
<Owner> Gl, hf.
Owner draws 0 cards
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
<MAJANO-ESP> I am ready.
MAJANO-ESP draws 0 cards
<-------- Juego nuevo comenzado -------->
El código de seguridad de MAJANO-ESP es: 2F5E966D [Type 1.5]
El código de seguridad de Owner es: AB166807 [???]
It is now turn 1 (Owner)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<MAJANO-ESP> hi
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
<Owner> hey
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
<Owner> gl
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
Owner shuffles library
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
Owner shuffles library
MAJANO-ESP shuffles library
MAJANO-ESP rolled a 1, using a 20 sided die
Owner rolled a 6, using a 20 sided die
MAJANO-ESP draws 7 cards
<Owner> ip
Owner draws 7 cards
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
MAJANO-ESP rearranges cards in MAJANO-ESP's Hand
<Owner> ok?
<MAJANO-ESP> tier dekc?
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
Owner plays Herbal Poultice from Hand
<Owner> gg?
<Owner> g2?
<MAJANO-ESP> what are you doing?
<Owner> i win... 7 poultices
<MAJANO-ESP> why?
<Owner> have u ever played magic before?
<MAJANO-ESP> 4 copies for card max
<Owner> not for herbal poultice
<Owner> its just that good
<MAJANO-ESP> you are a NOOB
<Owner> this is magic not pokemon
<MAJANO-ESP> and i **** with your mother
<Owner> poultice deck wins...
<MAJANO-ESP> i am eating her ***** now
<Owner> so, g2?
<MAJANO-ESP> play with your **** mother
<System> Player Lost
GSZ is a good idea, I feel there isnt room though. SoFaF on birds or elves T2 happens say 40% of games.
I disagree, pod finds everything, GSZ doesnt. It has a good MU versus mono G WRR as kessigs shouldnt live for long with 4 pods, 3 slimes, and 3 BWs. So can theirs.
That's interesting will test.
Thanks, I will test your changes as well, since I run 4 probes I'm really playing a 56 card deck so 22 is fine. No problem :).
That's true, dies to a specific removal is a bad argument though. Imagine intead of titan it's Giantsoaur: a 4GG 6/6 Trample when it cip you get an emblem with XGRT: Wold run text and a land that produces G. When it attacks you get two lands. This emblem dies to A-Slime and B-Within(only two real played LD)
Exactly, Titan is just one of many win-cons.
@last 2
It's worth playing a colorless and a dual for the power it gives you.
4 Birthing Pod
3 Sword of Feast and Famine
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Llanowar Elves
1 Viridian Emissary
3 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Glissa, the Traitor
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
2 Primeval Titan
1 Entomber Exarch
3 Beast Within
10 Forest
4 Woodland Cemetery
6 Swamp
1 Rootbound Crag
1 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Memoricide
4 Sylvok Replica
1 Massacre Wurm
3 Naturalize
1 Glissa, the Traitor
2 Gruesome Encore
2BB
Instant
Destroy all creatures that weren't cast from their owners hand.
1BBB
Enchantment-Curse
Enchant Player
Whenever enchanted player loses life, ceature's they control get -X/-X until EOT where X is the life lost.
0
Artifact
Sacrifice a Permanent: Put up to one charge counter on target permanent.