MTG Salvation

I just want to say that this thread is the only reason I regularly come back to these forums. I certainly noticed the missing day, but am thankful enough that you're keeping the thread going that it would have seemed ungrateful to complain.

I don't have much to add on Snow Devil though...

Quote from crumbcrispcoating »

Could we just omit these obvious not even good enough for limited-way too small effects type chaff that are obviously not for EDH and never will be played for EDH from the discussion? I understand it's random for what you get in Gatherer, but these kinds of cards don't have any use at all.

My favourite thing about this thread is when a card comes up and three people are like "bah, limited fodder" and then a fourth person pipes up and says "actually, this card is amazing in decks A & B, plus it goes infinite with cards X & Y making it a solid combo choice in decks that are already running those."

The beauty of those kinds of situations is that it's not easy to tell in advance which cards fall into that category versus the ones that really are just "bah, limited fodder." I'm willing to suffer through some days with boring cards in order to not miss out on those really fun ones.

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Really? Alright try this on for size:

Teardrop Kami + Splinter Twin + Bitter Ordeal = Each opponent now has no library and loses at the beginning of their next upkeeps unless they have a Laboratory Maniac out.

Step 1: Enchant the Kami with ST.
Step 2: Tap the Kami and make a copy of itself.
Step 3: The twinned Kami now sacrifices itself to untap the original.
Step 4: Repeat steps 2-3 until you feel have done it enough times.
Step 5: Cast Bitter Ordeal which has a Gravestorm equal to the number of times the token Teardrop Kami had sacrificed itself.

Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker is a second copy of Splinter Twin. And you can replace Bitter Ordeal with Impact Tremors, Warstorm Surge, or Purphoros, God of the Forge. All this means that Teardrop Kami can essentially be a second Deceiver Exarch/Zealous Conscripts in a UR Exarch Twin deck.

Goes infinite with Kor Skyfisher, three copies of Brighthearth Banneret, Impact Tremors, and Phyrexian Altar.

"Ouphes you control have forestwalk."

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I could see this getting there with the right synergies. I mean, if you have Ashnod's Altar and Reassembling Skeleton, this card reads "1B: Put a 1/1 token on the battlefield and draw a card." And that's without even considering the possibility of value from death/etb triggers.

I've played against a handful of sacrifice decks that go really deep on cheap self-reanimating creatures rather than going the traditional token route. Those decks are usually base black, but if they've got green I could see this being good enough.

Quote from Onering »

8/10 in Horobi, 0.5/10 everywhere else.

I found this shocking, and did some gatherer searching just because I couldn't believe that their weren't a wealth of better options. But I've convinced myself that you are right. In a Horobi deck, this looks like one of the top ten creatures that can come down in advance of Horobi and be immediately ready to start killing stuff.

EDH is really an incredible format. Before reading your comment I would have been quite prepared to say that there wasn't a deck out there where this card would be a good inclusion.

Mage-Ring Network, Hickory Woodlot, and Saprazzan Skerry all warrant consideration in Vorel (on non-Vorel Proliferate lists). These, not so much.

Here's a funny one for Near Death Experience. If you are at an odd-numbered life total, you use Crovax, Ascendant Hero to set your life total to exactly 1 on the end step before your turn (you can activate his ability any number of times before letting it resolve). He can even be your commander! And his shrinking ability is really strong in a defensive deck like this one. Ethereal Champion does the same thing without the odd-numbered restriction, though, unlike Crovax, it's pretty useless if you don't have Near Death Experience out. High risk; high reward.

Oh, and Sustaining Spirit is another Worship.

Finally, I think you need to try and find a way to force your opponents to cast Intervention Pact in their non-white decks. I'm not sure how you do that, but I'm pretty sure it can be done.

Mirrorweave is probably the second best card in the game next to Radiate of course.

I question what people determine as tied to a wincon

Often if you have a card like Armageddon in your hand and you have the best board it is strategically sound play to use it then.

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As I understand it, no. The delayed trigger will still happen, but it will look for the Scarab God in the grave and not find it.

Okay because I know there are card that do work. I can;t name any off the top of my head, but there have been situations n which a card can go back to the command zone and yet it will still return to play EoT.

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As I understand it, no. The delayed trigger will still happen, but it will look for the Scarab God in the grave and not find it.

Okay because I know there are card that do work. I can;t name any off the top of my head, but there have been situations n which a card can go back to the command zone and yet it will still return to play EoT.

I'm not a rules guru, but I would very much like to know which cards can do that. I'm pretty sure that once something goes to the command zone, only effects that explicitly refer to the command zone could bring it back.

If an effect sends a card somewhere, a replacement effect changes where the card goes, and the original effect tries to move "that card" (or "that permanent", "that creature", "it", etc.) somewhere later, it will track to the first zone it actually moved to.

If, on the other hand, the original effect looks for "the exiled card" (or similar), it will specifically only look in a single zone for the object it wants.

So, Oblivion Ring on a commander will not bring the commander back if you command zone it. However, Banishing Light will bring it back from the CZ (so long as the commander has not changed zones again since being put there). Norin the Wary, notably, can go to the command zone every time he exiles himself, and still come back so that if someone stifles the return trigger, the Norin player hasn't lost their commander for the rest of the game.

Rescue from the Underworld would be an example of a similar card that normally brings a creature back from the 'yard, but could track a commander to the CZ. However, that only applies if you actually use the CZ replacement effect. Sending your commander to the 'yard and then getting hit by Tormod's Crypt would never let an effect like these bring a commander back from the CZ.

Quote from Kryptnyt »

Now that I have three bolas planeswalkers, I can make a bolas tribal deck! Except I don't actually own the Elder Dragon. Damn.

Good for eating Teferis.

Liquimetal Coating + March of the Machines + Bludgeon Brawl + Nicol Bolas + Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker. Swing Bolas with your Bolas so you can Bolas while you Bolas.

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Quote from WizardMN »

To be a little more concrete: yes, Strionic Resonator can copy the trigger of Paradox Haze assuming the controller of Resonator and Haze are the same (in some cases the controller of Haze and the person getting the extra upkeep might not be the same).

Also, please use card tags:

Paradox Haze
Strionic Resonator

If you really want to get funky with the cheese whiz, throw in Rings of Brighthearth and Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient and use their abilities to copy the Strionic Resonator ability, or use Voltaic Key or Clock of Omens to untap it. Upkeeps for days !

Really? Alright try this on for size:

Teardrop Kami + Splinter Twin + Bitter Ordeal = Each opponent now has no library and loses at the beginning of their next upkeeps unless they have a Laboratory Maniac out.

Step 1: Enchant the Kami with ST.
Step 2: Tap the Kami and make a copy of itself.
Step 3: The twinned Kami now sacrifices itself to untap the original.
Step 4: Repeat steps 2-3 until you feel have done it enough times.
Step 5: Cast Bitter Ordeal which has a Gravestorm equal to the number of times the token Teardrop Kami had sacrificed itself.

Quote from 256k »

I see artifact lands pretty commonly, honestly. A lot of decks have at least a couple of cards that care about the number of artifacts you control, even if they don't have a major artifact theme. And the downside of artifact lands (namely that they get caught up in mass artifact hate) is relatively minor.

That said, I would probably only run this if I was also running Liquimetal Coating for a ridiculous wombo-combo.

And it fits mechanically/thematically right into a Glissa Sunseeker deck!

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Goes infinite with Kor Skyfisher, three copies of Brighthearth Banneret, Impact Tremors, and Phyrexian Altar.

Such a relevant combo in the EDH forum.

What, Clones are a thing...