Quote from lwdgg »I have some questions about your choices and the deck in general, I have been trying it out in a couple leagues on mtgo and having mixed results with a variaty of lists... going from 5-0 , to 0-3 drop lol...
- Do you really think Leylines main are good ? From my experience on mtgo, the decks seems less explosives with 4 leylines main, but it's able to go to a longer game, due to bridges never going away... still, it's weird.
- Do you think the green splash is worth ? Let's be realistic, we almost never cast Vengevines with 2 greens, usually we mill 1 of those, or something like that, because most of the time you can't fetch them... RiP isn't a big of issue, only Leylines, if you are not facing a lot of mirrors and leylines in general, seems sketchy to deviate from your aggro plan and use desenchant effects...
- What do you think of splashing white for wear//tear instead of green, since casting vengevine is very unlikely?
- Thoughts on only 1 Bushwacker ?
srry for bad english
Quote from Niallplaysmagic »Quote from AUTUMNTWILIGHT »What is the typical Hearthstone payout look like?
Here's a start: https://www.esportsearnings.com/games/328-hearthstone
For Hearthstone being astronomically larger (competitively) than magic, Pro tours don't look too bad by comparison.
Some more info-
Hearthstone top paid pro - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Beltiukov
Magic top all-time earnings list - https://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/top-players/statistics/top-200-money-leaders
Magic has definitely been around a lot longer so keep that in mind. With that said though, these numbers certainly aren't small.
Quote from AUTUMNTWILIGHT »What is the typical Hearthstone payout look like?
Quote from BlueTronFTW »Skitzafreak, did you read my topic in the general forum about pro play? Supply and demand rules here. Pros shouldn't get paid to appear, because none of them draw enough eyeballs to justify it. There's a reason none of these guys are sponsored by red bull, verizon, pizza hut, budweiser, or nintendo.
Quote from BlueTronFTW »Not enough people care about any particular individual pro or team. If Gabriel Nassif never played Magic again, there would be no change in viewer count. If the entire team cfb retired, there would be no change in viewer count. The fact that four guys can say "hey everybody we're trying another game over here!" and bring eyeballs is proof enough. You get what you deserve, and pros deserve very little. Side note, I found it great that the finals were a hearthstone pro pairing. It's always nice to remind the world that these few dozen MtG people aren't much better than any of us. They just catch breaks (the bye system at GPs is awful).
Quote from BlueTronFTW »You want bigger payouts at events? So do I. Eliminating appearance fees for pro players, not paying for travel or lodging for e-celebs who don't draw, that turns into bigger payouts that are actually earned that weekend by winning. It means you or I have a shot at the cash. WOTC could, and should, sell promo tokens or lands to help fund bigger payouts, too. I'd buy half a dozen foil islands with classic artwork (or brand new, if it's good) if I knew the profit margin was being redirected to pro play.
Quote from Niallplaysmagic »I think this is pretty disingenuous, especially when they literally just had the largest pro tour payout they've ever had. No, it's not what League players or Hearthstone players get, but those games both have tens of millions of ad revenue and sponsorships pouring into their games as well.
Do they support the pro scene like pros or those dedicated to watching wish they would? Not really. That doesn't mean that they hate them, or don't care. They know tournaments are the lifeblood of the game, and they're financially incentivized to continue to care about that section of the game and community.
Quote from BlueTronFTW »I think it is fair to say this highlights the EV problem of MtG. The sentiments by the grinders is that this is some sort of side hustle instead of a hobby. We all know that even top level pros don't make that much money, so nobody should really go into this thinking they are going to end up in the black at the end of X years. This is a money sink, period, and the best 99% of us can hope to do is slightly mitigate the loss by accumulating enough inventory from prize support. That is a partial subsidy at best, not a profit.
Quote from FoodChainGoblins »Good job guys! I gave up on the deck after 2 PPTQs and an FNM in which I did terribly. Overall I was 7-8-1 with it, ugh. I may try it again at FNM, but variance is really a pain! Are there any streams to watch?
Quote from Lav Dafka »Ive always loathed the idea of planned obsolescence, and that’s the whole basis of standard. I’m not terribly attached to any standard deck because before even building it I’m thinking about it rotating and getting upset. Why even bother.
It’s hard to make money off someone playing a RTR deck forever, of course and that needs to be considered. But if you take his deck away, does he happily buy a new one every few months? Or does he quit? Wouldn’t it be better to keep him in the game, maybe paying entry fees at an LGS, maybe getting exposed to new decks and new products that he might eventually want to try out? Worst case, maybe he helps LGS events fire?
Quote from gkourou »Look at dickman's list. He maindecked 4 leyline of the void.
Quote from mnelson325 »Doesn’t Legion Loyalist do more for this deck than Goblin Bushwhacker? One less R as well. I’m not a bridgevine player so pardon me for even posting lol. I was spying your decks for SB plans
Quote from BlueTronFTW »It is depressing, because MM17 was really good overall. Then WOTC for some reason decided that this theme stuff mattered more.