MTG Salvation

BOX 1

Left
Slagstorm - Dross Ripper
Blue Sun's Zenith
Psychosis Crawler
Distant Memories
Creeping Corrosion
Thopter Assembly
Shimmer Myr
Victory's Herald
Massacre Wurm - Titan Forge
Phyrexian Crusader - Metallic Mastery
Phyrexian Vatmother
Blue Sun's Zenith

Middle
Magnetic Mine
Spine of Ish Sha
Phyrexian Crusader
Phyrexian Vatmother
Gavanoth - Cryptoplasm
Titan Forge - Mirran Spy
Glissa the Traitor
Phyrexian Revoker
Spine of Ish Sha
Phyrexian Rebirth
Bonehoard
Cryptoplasm

Right
Contested War Zone
Shimmer Myr
Praetor's Counsel - Spine of Ish Sha
Sangaromancer - Peace Strider
Sword of Feast and Famine
Phyrexian Hydra
Mirran Crusader
Knowledge Pool
Mirror Works - Mirran Mettle
Hellkite Igniter
Myr Turbine
Darksteel Plate


BOX 2

Left
Psycosis Crawler - Razorfield Rhino
Galvanoth - Scourge Servant
Glissa the Traitor - Slagstorm
Mirror Works
Creeping Corrosion
Green Sun's Zenith
Knowledge Pool
Shimmer Myr
Phyrexian Crusader
Darksteel Plate
Slagstorm
White Sun's Zenith

Middle
Sangaromancer
Black Sun's Zenith
Darksteel Plate
Consecrated Sphinx - Mountain
Mirran Crusader - Training Drone
Red Sun's Zenith
Hellkite Ignitor
Victory's Herald
Myr Welder
Contested War Zone
Mitotic Manipulation
Bonehoard

Right
Inkmoth Nexus
Victory's Herald
Myr Welder
Knowledge Pool
Cryptoplasm
Phyrexian Vatmother - Choking Fumes
Creeping Corrosion
Hero of Oxid Ridge
Phyrexian Rebirth
Decimator Web
Blightsteel Collosus - Hexplate Golem
Distant Memories - Green Sun's Zenith

When people talk about "what the founding fathers said" or "would say" really falls into a few camps of thought.

Saying we should listen to the words of the founding fathers as an argument from tradition is ignorant. As society has changed over the (hundreds of) thousands of years of existence life has obviously gotten better. Jumps and starts of improvement, but improvement nonetheless. Truth (reality) is not found in what those before us did.

It is very hard to invoke the founding fathers with out purposefully or inadvertently using an argument from tradition.

When I personally talk about the founding fathers it is purely from respect and admiration of the 'group' of individuals most responsible for the best and freest society humanity has ever achieved. Many of their ideas, borrowed from Aristotle and later many renaissance philosophers, where enacted for the first time in human history.

The *new* ideas people use the founding fathers against are usually the ideas that undo what made America great. State oppression, religious dogma and slavery to the majority have had their chance.

Here is my take on a shape anew deck. It has been doing pretty well, and can be pretty explosive.

http://mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=102550

*note* 6 boxes listed below, 4 matched perfectly or near perfect to the known map. Only box 1 and 2 list exactly the contents opened. Deviations from the map were explored by opening packs.

Split a case with a friend, first box was his and it didn't match the mapping in any way shape or form. Very disappointing to think the whole case was going to be a was until it opened about 120$ worth of mythics randomly.

Here is that first box:

1.cerebral eruption
2.livewire lash
3.molten tail masticore(moriok replica)
4.precursor golem
5.hoard smelter dragon
6.ratchet bomb
7.asceticism
8.molten psyche
9.steel hellkite
10.steel hellkite
11.memoricide
12.argent sphinx
13.inexorable tide(soliton)
14.seachrome coast
15.shape anew(vigil for the lost)
16.argentum armor
17.razorverge thicket(fume spitter)
18.elspeth tirel
19.etched champion
20.blackcleave cliffs
21.mox opal
22.tempered steel
23.liege of the tangle
24.shape anew
25.prototype portal
26.darksteel juggernaut
27.grindclock
28.copperline gorge
29.tunnel ignus
30.prototype portal(island)
31.koth, of the hammer
32.quicksilver gargantuan
33.kuldotha forgemaster
34.strata scythe
35.tunnel ignus(strata scythe)
36.etched champion

This box half mapped perfectly correct, the second half had the right cards, but differently spaced track switching. I only opened a few of the second half to try to see what was up, but once it became apparent it couldn't contain any more money cards that I hadn't already got, I stopped.

1.grand architect(plated seastrider)
2.myr battlesphere
3.inexorable tide
4.kuldotha forgemaster
5.kuldotha phoenix
6.koth
7.ezuri
8.semblance anvil
9.prototype portal
10.livewire lash
11.masticore
12.hand of the praetors
13.genesis wave
14.carnifex
15.kemba
16.leonin arbiter
17.cerebral eruption
18.steel hellkite
19.darkslick shore
20.strata scythe(exanguinate)
21.skithryx
22.?
23.?
24.Dissapation Field
25.?
26.Memirocide
27.?
28.?
29.Sunblast Angel
30.?
31.?
32.Platinum Empiron
33.Seacrome Coast
34.Venser's Journal
35.Shape Anew
36.Wurmcoil Engine

This one was just a poor box, mapped perfectly though. (WARNING: I only opened about 30% of this box, enough to prove to myself it was 100% mapped with no oddities and to solve for the top row collation.)

1.Cerebral eruption
2.Grindclock
3.Hoard-Smelter Dragon
4.Myr Reservoir
5.Strata Scythe
6.Skithiryx, The Blight Dragon
7.Blackcleave Cliffs
8.Asceticism
9.Venser's Journal
10.True Conviction
11.Ratchet Bomb
12.Dissipation field
13.Quicksilver Gargantuan
14.Nim Deathmantle
15.Hand of the Praetors
16.Etched Champion
17.Spikeshot elder
18.Myr Propagtor
19.Copperline gorge
20.Ezuri's Brigade
21.Molten Psyche
22.Platinum Emperion
23.Tempered Steel
24.Contagion engine
25.Engulfing Slagwurm
26.Darkslick Shores
27.Tunnel Ignus
28.Grindclock
29.Grand Architect
30.Mimic vat
31.Necrotic Ooze
32.Myr Battlephere
33.Kuldotha Phoenix
34.Painful Quandary
35.Indomitable Archangel
36.Livewire Lash

Here is another poor box with a miss on Venser by 1 pack.
(WARNING: I only opened about 30% of this box, enough to prove to myself it was 100% mapped with no oddities and to solve for the top row collation.)

1.grindclock
2.grand architect
3.stratocythe
4.ezuri renegade leader
5.ascetecism
6.ratchet bomb
7.semblance anvil
8.disipation field
9.molten tail masticore
10.hand of the praetors
11.etched champion
12.spikeshot elder
13.genesis wave
14.leonin arbiter
15.steel hellkite
16.copperline gorge
17.platinum emperion
18.darkslick shore
19.tempered steel
20.venser's journal
21.shape anew
22.livewire lash
23.engulfing slagwurm
24.wurmcoil engine
25.kuldotha phoenix
26.ezuri's brigade
27.tunnel ignus
28.mimic vat
29.memoricide
30.necrotic ooze
31.tower of calamities
32.sunblast ange
33.kuldotha forgemaster
34.skittles
35.myr battlesphere
36.kuldotha phoenix

This next one was a real oddity. Solved perfectly except for the top row. This box was the most fun because I know I missed Koth by 2 packs at the top. Disappointed I set off to solve the top row collation, opening pack 36 and finding a card that couldn't even be in the box. I then open pack 34 to find another pack that can't be in the box in the other track. 35 was a random Koth. Randomness couldn't have been kinder to me.
(WARNING: I only opened about 50% of this box, enough to prove to myself it was 100% mapped and WITH oddities.

1.molten psyche
2.prototype portal
3.livewirelash
4.contagion engin
5.painful quandry
6.indomitable archangel
7.carnifex
8.kemba
9.darkslick shores
10.cerebral eruption
11.grindclock
12.grand architect
13.stratoscythe
14.skittles
15.myr battlesphere
16.kuldotha phoenix
17.ezuri, renegade leader
18.ascetesism
19.ratchet bomb
20.semblance anvil
21.disipation field
22.molten tail masticore
23.hand of the praetors
24.etched champion
25.spikeshot elder
26.gensis wave
27.leonin arbiter
28.steel hellkite
29.copperline gorge
30.platinum emperion
31.darkslick shores
32.tempered steel
33.vensers journal
34.myr propegator
35.koth of the hammer
36.ezuri's brigade

Here is a wondful box that mapped perfectly. (WARNING: I only opened about 30% of this box, enough to prove to myself it was 100% mapped with no oddities and to solve for the top row collation.)

1.Necrotic Ooze
2.Dissipation Field
3.Semblance Anvil
4.Argentum Armor
5.Sunblast Angel
6.Myr Battlesphere
7.Tunnel Ignus
8.Liege of the Tangle
9.Shape Anew
0.Geth, Lord of the vault
11.Nim Deathmantle
12.Darksteel Juggernaut
13.Tempered Steel
14.Seachrome Coast
15.Ratchet Bomb
16.Tower of calamities
17.Ezuri, renegade Leader
18.Copperline Gorge
19.Chimeric Mass
20.Contagion Engine
21.Argent Sphinx
22.Memoricide
23.Carnifex Demon
24.Etched Champion
25.Precursor Golem
26.Strata Scythe
27.Leonin Arbiter
28.Grindclock
29.Hoard-Smelter Dragon
30.Myr Reservoir
31.Spikeshot Elder
32.Asceticism
33.Blackcleave Cliffs
34.Venser, the Sojourner
35.Elspeth
36.Razorverge Thicket

Quote from Socoes

I have gotten all 3 planeswalkers AND Mox in the same box, so it's definently possible

It is possible, but your venser or Mox would have to be a foil, and you would have to be lucky as crap.

Quote from lordkevin14

Where's number 13?

Sorry, got messed up.

13. Necrotic Ooze
14. Kuldotha Forgemaster

Edited my original post to be accurate.

I'm listing the packs from first pack put into the box to last because it's how I have it written down on my sheet of paper. (#1 is bottom-most left, 2 is middle bottom, 3 is bottom right, then working up to second from bottom left etc.)

Only wrote down foil rare. sorry.

1. Sunblast Angel
2. Platinum Empirion (M)
3. Myr Battlesphere
4. Shape Anew
5. Tempered Steel
6. Livewire Lash
7. Engulfing Slagwurm - *Foil* Strata Scyth
8. Tunnel Ignus
9. Tower of Calamities
10. Mimic Vat
11. Ezuri, Renegade Leader
12. Contagion Engine
13. Necrotic Ooze
14. Kuldotha Forgemaster
15. Argent Sphinx
16. Memirocide
17. Precursor Golem
18. Razorverge Thicket
19. Chimeric Mass
20. Lenonin Arbiter
21. Sword of Body and Mind (M)
22. Venser, the Sojorner (M)
23. Grindclock
24. Inexorable Tide
25. Darksteel Juggernaut
26. Hoardsmelter Dragon
27. Myr Reservoir
28. Blackcleave Cliff
29. Cerebral Eruption
30. Putrifax
31. Venser's Journal
32. True Conviction
33. Qucksilver Gargatuan (M)
34. Geth, Lord of the Vault (M)
35. Nym Deathmantle
36. Seacrome Coast.


Edit: also, I just won the draft, and out of my packs I got a Venser, Sword of body/mind, Grindclock, Inexorable Tide, and Darksteel Juggernaut all right next to each other. Unsure what order they were in up or down, but that seems to be a pattern.

Quote from akelly

Meddling Mage. Wow.

Each time the Meddling Mage blinks it's treated like an entirely new creature, only the most recently named card counts toward its ability.

Quote from Gaka

Chimeric Mass
...
Immune to -1/-1 counters.

Nope. -1/-1 counters stay perfectly happy on non-creatures.

And really, this card is horrible for RDW. This is just an vanilla for cost, with mild evasion to removal.

Usable in a control, horrible in an aggro.