Yep! All the while pumping a Rhox with a Mantle of Leadership, and at the end, attack you with my 9001/9001 Rhox. Then you can cast Fog/Holy Day/Serene Sunset/Terror/Doom Blade/etc.
Now THAT is where MTG gets hilarious.
yeah, that's where the version that hits with ∞ ∞/∞ creatures would work better :P, still no answer for fog though... maybe Grand Abolisher...
Well, of course, in my GW, I can throw in Mantle of Leadership, Devoted Druid, and Shields of Velis Vel, and suddenly he goes infinite with Saprolings.
yeah just throw a staff of domination into that and you can untap him all day
Whoa, mana echoes! That card is so perfect! Thanks for showing me that, I had no memory of that card. I actually kind of want that for my Beast deck <<
no problem, I had remembered it from putting together my Norin the Wary deck
didnt make the cut but it was close
still a 4 color 5th turn infinte combo is janky as heck but there's really nothing more timmy/johnny than an infinite army of ∞/∞ creatures
and for the whynots, with all the extra mana you can use the staff to gain ∞ life and draw as many cards as you want...
I just like janky, funny things. And both fill that slot for me, especially Thrulls. Lost my thrull deck when my cards got stolen, but still, ya know? I remember my old buddies, and miss em~ (A thrull deck was my first deck, and my mom's last one. She gave it to me when I was 7, and now I've been playing for 13 years )
This guy is really going to make me happy if I can find a card that lets me untap Mikaeus when a creature comes into play @__@ Cause like...
Drop Ghave, drop Utopia Mycon
drop Mikaeus.
???
PROFIT
as long as you have 4 saprolings in play you can do mana echoes and staff of domination actually gives you infinite mana and infinite +1/+1 counters on all your infinite creatures...
with utopian mycon you could actually use vigean Graftmage instead of the staff too
That's what "tribal" is. Effects that reward you for playing creatures with a certain creature type. Tribal effects are, by definition, linear (and parasitic, depending on which type you're using). Tribal effects involving the Werewolf type are going to be parasitic no matter what.
actually they would only be parasitic if they stop printing werewolves after inn, if they do, in fact, keep them around then it would not by definition be parasitic.
in other words you're speculating!! which was bad or something right? <,<
joking aside some cute buff sorceries are kinda tbe
i mean, if that was the case Lily would just be doing him a favor "here, have an ability you can totally control that makes you stronger... I SURE GOT YOU!".... idk... think about it.
that really reminded me of the old trend in nintendo games for 'curses' to actually be good things, see tloz"alttp with the demon bat that 'curses' you to make you use 1/2 the energy on things or paper mario and the thousand year door with half of your powers.
Good observation. I bought 3/$10 m12 boosters this evening and pulled a primal Garruk, after pretty much following this thread all day. I'm going to choose to take that as a sign, Garruk (in any color space) is going to be my man throughout Innistrad. I hope I don't invest too heavily in this dream just to watch him get his butt kicked in standard once we get past rotation and a couple sets into the block... I always seem to pick the underdog... (yup that was a werewolf pun)
Garruk for you seems much better than my choice which is similar and I am totally sticking with; a shiny worldslayer in a pack I won at an fnm, totally building something around it after rotation. It actually could be decent considering we're supposed to get graveyard shenanigans and with a card that says "hey chuck the whole board into the graveyard" you could have some serious shenanigans with a yard that size. that kid taking a dump in the river might actually be useful...
Three months is probably the quickest they can commission new art, print the cards, and actually get them shipped to all the shops running FNM.
that doesnt really explain why they had stuff like rhox war monk almost a year after it rotated...
ohwell unless they actually put out some promos I want these'll stay as trophies in my binder :/
in other news contagion clasp is actually very playable and a step in a much better direction.
and if you dont think it can be in a competitive list ;http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=9871 he did pretty well when he got it out
and even if it does take ~ 3 months to do a promo card, thats fine. Just do it for the most recent block. I'm very certain people will be playing things like dismember, birthing pod, puresteel paladin, etc will still be popular in 3-4 months and I would be super happy getting a promo of. Things like Jace's ingenuity never even see standard play, it just costs too much for what it does.
and if, as claimed, Wizards doesnt care much about card popularity when doing alt arts, they definately should give it more thought. I gurantee you if the promo prize for a tournament is more desireable more people will come out and play. Right now I have no need for a cultivate and the art is silly but it is kinda a trophy so there is that but otherwise my pull to go play fnm is rather meager, but if it was something that was at least useful as trade fodder or I could personally use I would be there in a heartbeat. and no thirst for knowledge is not what we need here...
what's dishonest about taking the time to learn a market... it's like anything else in the world... I spend tons of time learning the market, only to have a piece of technology replace countless hours of my time.
It's like anything else in the world, you work hard to learn something, it's not being dishonest when you use that information to your advantage.
actually that's the definition of dishonesty. A "trade" is ideally supposed to be between cards of equal or comparable value. You putting a .20$ flashy card up for a 50$ card and hoping to fool some inexperienced person is obviously not being truthful or honest. You are claiming that both cards are indeed of similar value, which just isn't true.
back on topic, as long as the banlist is done properly this could be a sweet format.
now I may be confused as to what the reserved list means but from my understanding it meant that those cards would never be reprinted into the standard format. under that understanding putting them into an ftv would be fine because being in this set does not change its legality in any set.
kind of like how dark rit has been reprinted in precon decks since it was put on the list, but because precons dont change a cards legality in any format they are immune to the list.
yknow, as long as they are doing legends one card would make me both incredibly happy, and laugh for weeks that they actually included him; Norin the Wary
and for those of you stiting there thinking he's completely useless, you obviously have never sat on the other side of my legacy deck, esp not in multiplayer (my current record is 11 people, in 20 minutes.)
needless to say if hes in there I will move many large things to get atleast one
without her phoenixes and without a plethora of burn/utility chandra just seemed out of place so I dropped her and the gambits for signal pests and Merfolk looter. Between the pests, memnites, spheres, and Dragons I have a good chance of having metalcraft for the phoenixs and galvanic. That said do you think mox opal might be a good idea to possibly replace/ go 2/2 with sphere?
currently an optimal I was toying with could look like T1; Bear and a memnite T2; Sphere and a signal pest swing 3 T3; Koth and swing with a 5/4 mountain a 3/2 bear and a 2/1 memnite for ten, 13 damage by turn 3 sounds pretty darn fast to me
or a version with mox opal and drawing more pests;
T1; Memnite and a bear T2; Opal Signal pest x3 T3 Koth and swing with a 4/1 memnite a 5/2 bear a 7/4 mountain and 3 2/1 pests for 22 damage turn 3...
also koth's -2 and moltensteel have some nice synergy ~
you make a very good point on the wardriver vs signal pest, ill definitely swap those.
would 2 kuldotha phoenix instead of the chandras be better than just 2 more moltensteels? molten is 4cc and no mono red so hes easily available turn 4 and he has the firebreathing thing aswell, either one is a turn 5 swing for 4 or higher
Koth is definately a consideration, the RR does make me a little nervous though, some enemy color splitlands would be amazing and its been a long while since we had some :/
and I'm not looking for the same explosiveness as kiln fiend, I know thats not really feasible. but some quick aggro and maybe a turn 4-6 kill is kind of what I'm shooting for, and hopefully more consistency than kiln ( it can be bad when i dont get the pup, or he gets taken apart by the seemingly endless amount of removal these days)
I am a huge fan of U/r and aggro play and I already have a good maindeck (u/r kiln fiend) until rotate so this is mainly aimed at after rotation, barring better replacements in innistrad this is what I'm thinking;
this is gonna be awesome in my R/U deck
opening hand Kiln Fiend, Distortion Strike, Assault strobe, any other 1 cost instant/sorcery, 2 islands and a mountain= t3 win
t1=mountain pass
t2=kiln fiend
t3=distortion strike, assault strobe and that other 1cost, if I drew a dispell then id wait to see if they try and counter anything, otherwise its swing with a 11/2 unblockable doublestrike
(22 damage)
yeah, that's where the version that hits with ∞ ∞/∞ creatures would work better :P, still no answer for fog though... maybe Grand Abolisher...
yeah just throw a staff of domination into that and you can untap him all day
no problem, I had remembered it from putting together my Norin the Wary deck
didnt make the cut but it was close
still a 4 color 5th turn infinte combo is janky as heck but there's really nothing more timmy/johnny than an infinite army of ∞/∞ creatures
and for the whynots, with all the extra mana you can use the staff to gain ∞ life and draw as many cards as you want...
as long as you have 4 saprolings in play you can do mana echoes and staff of domination actually gives you infinite mana and infinite +1/+1 counters on all your infinite creatures...
with utopian mycon you could actually use vigean Graftmage instead of the staff too
actually they would only be parasitic if they stop printing werewolves after inn, if they do, in fact, keep them around then it would not by definition be parasitic.
in other words you're speculating!! which was bad or something right? <,<
joking aside some cute buff sorceries are kinda tbe
that really reminded me of the old trend in nintendo games for 'curses' to actually be good things, see tloz"alttp with the demon bat that 'curses' you to make you use 1/2 the energy on things or paper mario and the thousand year door with half of your powers.
Garruk for you seems much better than my choice which is similar and I am totally sticking with; a shiny worldslayer in a pack I won at an fnm, totally building something around it after rotation. It actually could be decent considering we're supposed to get graveyard shenanigans and with a card that says "hey chuck the whole board into the graveyard" you could have some serious shenanigans with a yard that size. that kid taking a dump in the river might actually be useful...
that doesnt really explain why they had stuff like rhox war monk almost a year after it rotated...
ohwell unless they actually put out some promos I want these'll stay as trophies in my binder :/
in other news contagion clasp is actually very playable and a step in a much better direction.
and if you dont think it can be in a competitive list ;http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=9871 he did pretty well when he got it out
and even if it does take ~ 3 months to do a promo card, thats fine. Just do it for the most recent block. I'm very certain people will be playing things like dismember, birthing pod, puresteel paladin, etc will still be popular in 3-4 months and I would be super happy getting a promo of. Things like Jace's ingenuity never even see standard play, it just costs too much for what it does.
and if, as claimed, Wizards doesnt care much about card popularity when doing alt arts, they definately should give it more thought. I gurantee you if the promo prize for a tournament is more desireable more people will come out and play. Right now I have no need for a cultivate and the art is silly but it is kinda a trophy so there is that but otherwise my pull to go play fnm is rather meager, but if it was something that was at least useful as trade fodder or I could personally use I would be there in a heartbeat. and no thirst for knowledge is not what we need here...
actually that's the definition of dishonesty. A "trade" is ideally supposed to be between cards of equal or comparable value. You putting a .20$ flashy card up for a 50$ card and hoping to fool some inexperienced person is obviously not being truthful or honest. You are claiming that both cards are indeed of similar value, which just isn't true.
back on topic, as long as the banlist is done properly this could be a sweet format.
kind of like how dark rit has been reprinted in precon decks since it was put on the list, but because precons dont change a cards legality in any format they are immune to the list.
again I may just be wrong
p.s. still hoping for norin
Norin the Wary
and for those of you stiting there thinking he's completely useless, you obviously have never sat on the other side of my legacy deck, esp not in multiplayer (my current record is 11 people, in 20 minutes.)
needless to say if hes in there I will move many large things to get atleast one
here's what im thinking right now
4 Memnite
4 Signal Pest
4 Phantasmal Bear
4 Grim Lavamancer
2 Merfolk Looter
4 Phantasmal Image
2 Moltensteel Dragon
2 Kuldotha Phoenix
4 Ponder
4 Sphere of the Suns
4 Galvanic Blast
4 Koth of the Hammer
12 Mountains
8 Islands
without her phoenixes and without a plethora of burn/utility chandra just seemed out of place so I dropped her and the gambits for signal pests and Merfolk looter. Between the pests, memnites, spheres, and Dragons I have a good chance of having metalcraft for the phoenixs and galvanic. That said do you think mox opal might be a good idea to possibly replace/ go 2/2 with sphere?
currently an optimal I was toying with could look like T1; Bear and a memnite T2; Sphere and a signal pest swing 3 T3; Koth and swing with a 5/4 mountain a 3/2 bear and a 2/1 memnite for ten, 13 damage by turn 3 sounds pretty darn fast to me
or a version with mox opal and drawing more pests;
T1; Memnite and a bear T2; Opal Signal pest x3 T3 Koth and swing with a 4/1 memnite a 5/2 bear a 7/4 mountain and 3 2/1 pests for 22 damage turn 3...
also koth's -2 and moltensteel have some nice synergy ~
would 2 kuldotha phoenix instead of the chandras be better than just 2 more moltensteels? molten is 4cc and no mono red so hes easily available turn 4 and he has the firebreathing thing aswell, either one is a turn 5 swing for 4 or higher
Koth is definately a consideration, the RR does make me a little nervous though, some enemy color splitlands would be amazing and its been a long while since we had some :/
and I'm not looking for the same explosiveness as kiln fiend, I know thats not really feasible. but some quick aggro and maybe a turn 4-6 kill is kind of what I'm shooting for, and hopefully more consistency than kiln ( it can be bad when i dont get the pup, or he gets taken apart by the seemingly endless amount of removal these days)
thanks for your comments/ideas!
4 Ponder
3 Tezzerret's Gambit
2 Unsummon
4 Incinerate
4 Shock
4 Phantasmal Bear
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Phantasmal Image
4 Goblin Wardriver
4 Chandra's Phoenix
2 Moltensteel Dragon
3 Chandra, the Firebrand
any suggestion/comments/advice?
not having counters feels really wierd but im not sure what to cut/if I need them :/
opening hand Kiln Fiend, Distortion Strike, Assault strobe, any other 1 cost instant/sorcery, 2 islands and a mountain= t3 win
t1=mountain pass
t2=kiln fiend
t3=distortion strike, assault strobe and that other 1cost, if I drew a dispell then id wait to see if they try and counter anything, otherwise its swing with a 11/2 unblockable doublestrike
(22 damage)