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  • posted a message on Let's talk about MtG's storytelling...
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    The management of the story is overall a problem that dates as far back as flavour itself, according to interviews with the authors of Planeswalker and The Thran.


    I would love to read this. Do you have a source?
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Magic Animated Series Coming to Netflix - Due 2020
    I am honestly confused and frustrated by Chandra's popularity. Serious question: why do people like her? To me she's just a two dimensional and grating superhero knockoff -- and I don't even feel that way about all the Gatewatch. I like Gideon and Liliana, and sometimes Jace (I'm neutral on him), and sometimes I even like their team dynamic. But Chandra seems to personify all the things I dislike. Beats up the bad guys, throws out quips, has a "tragic" past but never ends up in real danger, never sacrifices anything, never grows, never changes. All fists, cockiness, and attitude, because that's what a strong female character is.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    I just got the chapter too.

    The writing is quite good. The atmosphere, the mood, and the dialogue are all solid. Nothing feels rushed; in fact, it's methodical and takes it's time setting up the looming drama. You really do feel a storm building.

    THIS is what the hardcover novel should have been.

    Well done, Mr. Wexler.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Magic Animated Series Coming to Netflix - Due 2020
    Put my name in with those who would love to see the Urza/Weatherlight saga adapted. It had its ups, it had its downs, but it's Magic's most iconic story line featuring many of its most iconic characters.

    The Weatherlight Saga got super dark at times though. The Thran, Nemesis, and the Invasion Cycle would certainly be more fit for HBO than Netflix. J Robert King in particular had a tendency to write some of the most visceral, grotesquely dark sequences I've ever seen put down on paper. The cards don't even come close to capturing the cruelty and heaviness of the novels. The Thran is a masterwork, no doubt, but it's hands down the most grotesque book I've ever read.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    No Ashiok? I am surprised. I read what I thought was a spoiler that Ugin used him to remove Bolas's name. A shame that turned out not to be the case.

    Still, this story sounds excellent, and I am excited to get my copy.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Here are my thoughts on Bolas living, and why it's a good fate:

    Quote from Goryo »
    "Bolas had an eternity to contemplate defeat."

    Man, that flavor text feels SO good to read.

    The thing about killing Bolas is that it just wouldn't be enough retribution. He has 25,000 years of atrocities to answer for, dozens of enslaved/destroyed worlds, and deaths on his hands numbering at least into the billions. Cutting him down with a sword and just ending him in a moment of righteous justice would feel good for a minute, but then ring hollow.

    Bolas has to feel his defeat. He has to know he is beaten, pathetic, and impotent forevermore. His infinite atrocities merit an infinite punishment. Now his victims can begin to have justice.



    Add in the fact that Ugin and Bolas end together as they began, and I really do love this closure to their story.

    If Bolas were have his soul devoured by the Blackblade, I agree that would have been kind of cool, but ultimately way too simple and straightforward. Nothing of him would exist to experience his defeat. Now he gets to experience it forever, or until his lifespan runs out (which it eventually will, with him no longer being an oldwalker or a god).

    Satan's true punishment following his fall in Paradise Lost is that, having once tasted the joy of Heaven and even the dream of Godhood itself, he has to suffer for eternity with the knowledge of everything he has lost. The flames of hell do burn him, but nothing compared to the agony of that loss. If Bolas falling from Oldwalker to Neowalker status was enough to obsess, enrage, and consume him, how much more will his fall to total and complete impotence torment him.

    Better for him had he actually perished on Gideon's Blackblade - and died just once. Yet Bolas deserves not to die just once, but to die again every single day forever.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on [LEAK][BOOK SPOILER DISCUSSION] Ok....yeah... cool cards and all....WHO DIES ALREADY?
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    That's the most disappointing part of this to me also. Creative didn't really use Ugin for all that much. This also greatly reduces the chances we will get a legendary creature version of a pre-sparked Ugin, since he's effectively being removed from the plot forever.


    Yeah this would be disappointing but I'm hoping they still give him a card. It seems like a waste after all the build up in the M19 story.


    Not at all! This is the payoff to all that buildup. Their destinies are entwined, and now Ugin has manipulated events and sacrificed himself to finally vanquish Bolas once and for all. How's that not "all that much"? That's huge, and indeed it's everything.

    MVP title in this finale absolutely goes to Ugin. In the end, Liliana, Gideon, and the rest of the heroes turned out to be chess pieces in his game. Bolas, like the audience, mistook those game pieces for the actual players -- but Bolas true opponent on Ravnica turned out to be Ugin all along. Bolas could not have won because he didn't understand what game he was actually playing, and on what game board, until it was too late. That's Sun Tzu 101: Know yourself, and know your enemy. Bolas did not know his true enemy. He was gloating over Gideon even as Ugin moved to checkmate him.

    I too would like to see more of Ugin, but this is really everything the story requires of him. This is his role, his destiny, his long journey fulfilled. I find it immensely satisfying. What could he possibly do, what ending could he have, that's greater or more significant than this?
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  • posted a message on VorthosCast preview: Despark, Prison Realm
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    Regarding my own feelings about this story, I find it completely silly for a plan that’s supposedly been developed over millennia to not have prepared for something as simple as his army being turned against him.


    This plan wasn't developed over millenia, just a couple decades at most. Bolas returned from the dead 60 years ago, and then the Mending happened and stripped him of most of his previous power, brilliance, and knowledge (he still retained a lot, but not nearly what he used to have).

    He set the first wheels for this plan in motion on Amonkhet in 4500 AR. It's 4560 AR now. By Bolas' standards, he's been rushing.

    And even then, he nearly pulled it off.

    you can say it’s poetic, but it’s also redundant. This result has literally already happened to bolas albeit a different means.


    This is the first time Bolas has been imprisoned in the Meditation Realm. That he has been trapped there before is a misconception, albeit a popular one. Last time he was defeated, he was lured to the Meditation Realm by Tetsuo Umezawa during their battle, rendered mortally vulnerable, and then immediately killed.

    A trace of Bolas's ghost lingered in a time rift back on Dominaria however, and it was from that time rift that the remaining shred of his essence was able to eventually regain enough consciousness to manipulate his eventual rebirth. Back then, even the faded echo of a dead planeswalker could be a powerful thing.

    The Meditation Realm has played an important role in both Bolas's defeats, as well it should have, being the central axis of Bolas's dominion. But the role it played each time was fundamentally different. Last time it was a killing ground. This time it is his prison.

    I get it, he tried to eliminate Liliana when he saw her turn against him (in the trailer) and Gideon intervened. But c’mon, this has to be the most simple thing to prepare for. Instead, an ancient dragon with a melennia-old plan put all his eggs in one basket and didn’t protect that basket?


    In fairness, this is the same sort of evil overlord oversight that Palpatine, Voldemort, and Sauron all fell for as well. It's not unique to Bolas or anything.

    This is Sauron putting all his life force into a ring that he then wears on his finger for some punk to cut it off. This is Palpatine not foreseeing that Vader might turn on him for the same reasons he joined him in the first place (preventing the death of a loved one), even moments after explicitly voicing his intent to toss Vader away and replace him. This is Voldemort wearing his last Horcrux on his shoulders, protective shield down, in his moment of triumph, making it easy for Neville to cut off the snake's head and finally render him mortal. This is Yawgmoth dragging the core of his god-essence from Phyrexia into Dominaria and making himself vulnerable before the Dominarian resistance was even totally put down.

    Brilliant, powerful, genius villains make tend to make dumb, last-minute mistakes that give their enemies a final opening to exploit. You don't have to like it, but there's nothing strange about it, and it's a long-running tradition by now. Bolas was far from the first to mess up this way, and as long as fantasy arch-villains continue to populate our fiction, he definitely won't be the last.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on VorthosCast preview: Despark, Prison Realm
    Look, I love Bolas as a character, as a villain.

    But good lord, seeing him get his final comeuppance feels so cathartic.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on CoL_Merchant Spoiler: Mini-story of 4 cards (Trusted Pegasus, Oketra, Divine Arrow, Unlikely Aid)
    Wait.

    Wait, wait, wait, ****ing wait.

    So a Zombie God shoots the hero out of a stormy sky while he's riding a freaking pegasus, only for the hero's fall is broken by an ancient, evil demon lord who swoops in to deliver him to his tragic final showdown with a multiverse-conquering dragon-god.

    Magic lore has officially peaked. Nothing will ever top this. This is so amazing and over-the top, it's borderline pornographic.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [LEAK][BOOK SPOILER DISCUSSION] Ok....yeah... cool cards and all....WHO DIES ALREADY?
    This is now the official Book Spoiler discussion thread, yes?

    So we know according to the book that:

    Gideon dies.
    Domri dies.
    Dack dies. (Apparently Dack even gets some time to shine before he goes.)
    Ugin sacrifices himself, but does not actually die. (This will still probably wreak havoc on Tarkir, calling it now. Bye bye, dragons.)

    However, since the book can't possibly cover all 36 carded Planeswalkers, those are the only "confirmed" losses we have at this point. We do know that there will be online fiction for War of the Spark as well, written by the same author as the novel. Mark Rosewater said that story fans will want to read both the novel and the online fiction to get the full story.

    So whether more named characters will die in the online stories remains to be seen.
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Leak Gideon (story spoiler)
    Quote from leslak »
    Quote from JuiceBOX »
    If you are going to call it a War, have there be stakes - have their be casualties. Don't sell it as something that has high stakes if it doesn't have actual stakes.

    That is why people are upset. They bought into an idea and were sold something else.

    I said it in another theread, if they made a generic walker card with lots of unknown walkers and during the set made those faced walkers dying in cards, that would have been nice.



    Apparently that's exactly what we see on The Elder Spell.

    Regarding deaths, the information we have so far is just what's in the novel. Apparently there is supposed to be online fiction for War as well (seriously, Wizards, why the delay?)

    It could very well be that we'll see more character deaths in the online fiction. The novel can only show so much.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Leak Gideon (story spoiler)


    Changing out of nowhere conveniently to a plane where there is a heaven the last minute you know you are going to die seems to me the most horrible way to force a happy ending to me.
    Urza, Venser, Gerrard....they are in no heaven. They have no consciousness, they are truly lost forever into an eternal nothingness.


    Not so. Dominaria has an afterlife, and we've glimpsed it.

    We saw Jeska reuniting with Kamahl in the afterlife at the end of Future Sight, after she sacrificed herself to heal the Multiverse and begin The Mending.

    In Gerrard's last moments, as he incinerates in the final blast that kills himself, Urza, and Yawgmoth, Hanna's spirit receives and welcomes him, taking his hand and leading him away.

    So we have at least two prior examples of heroes who sacrifice themselves reuniting with loved ones.

    Quote from tronix »
    there is also a good bit of nostalgia and people looking back at mtg storylines of the past with rose-tinted glasses. much as it is when long time players are evaluating old formats. its something you see it all the time with franchises of games or books spanning a long enough time, and mtg has been around longer than pretty much all of them.

    This. Just like with the Gatewatch, many people back in the day were sick of and felt overexposed to the Weatherlight Crew. Fans might look at him differently now, but Gerrard Capashen was something like the Gideon/Jace of his era.
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  • posted a message on Reddit Leak: Gideon's (SPOILER ALERT)
    I knew this was coming, but this is still super sad.

    Wow. I was expecting this end, but not these emotions.

    Did I feel this way when Gerrard Capashen died...? It's been so long.


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  • posted a message on Tyrant's Scorn and Prison Realm ( leak from reddit, HUGE story spoilers)
    "Bolas had an eternity to contemplate defeat."

    Man, that flavor text feels SO good to read.

    The thing about killing Bolas is that it just wouldn't be enough retribution. He has 25,000 years of atrocities to answer for, dozens of enslaved/destroyed worlds, and deaths on his hands numbering at least into the billions. Cutting him down with a sword and just ending him in a moment of righteous justice would feel good for a minute, but then ring hollow.

    Bolas has to feel his defeat. He has to know he is beaten, pathetic, and impotent forevermore. His infinite atrocities merit an infinite punishment. Now his victims can begin to have justice.

    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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