I started with the Sarkhan builds but its so bad in so many ways.
Yeah I came to the conclusion that I had so much work to do on it... that I'd have to spend a dedicated week or so re-building it.
I've been mostly using this in the interim.
Mid Red
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Which is a deck by Conrad Kolos which has holes in it and is pre-states.
as several variants of Black. I'd been looking for that sweet spot, you might have found it there. gratz.
We really neded aggro-control lists.
edit: Considered "Hideous End"?
At first this makes me think you're a bad, but I realize you're someone who clearly just isn't a red player.
Let me clarify something to you:
Anyone can run Rdw and be decent.
Only the truly skilled can run RDW and be great.
However, your analysis of expense is piss poor. You're grasping at straws, and reading your own failings into what I've said.
You certainly don't understand r(x)wins.
I don't play on mtgo so projecting like that says more about you than me.
Zemanjaski for instance is a 1900 player who plays mono-red... ONLINE.
I love the deck but I'm not going to be great with it yet. Maybe later this season.
Hmph. Ok. Look the red mage guild is known for being abrasive and impatient so bear with them a bit.
Here's the deal though, a LOT of people started playing it exactly in that same fashion and learned to loved.
If you're going to play it I suggest approaching it with a certain attitude, and I'm going to be really honest about it right now.
Its an amazing deck, its been good since forever. . . and it isn't slowing down, much. Honestly, however it has its weaknesses.
You have to spot them and play to its strengths. Moreover, it bears mentioning that if someone really tries hard enough to hate you out, you're getting hated out, period.
That being said, being hated out doesn't mean you auto lose.
We started out beating huntmaster/thragtusk last season, and the trend continues. . . however, to play this deck you have to do some difficult things
1. You can't rely on overpowered card to make your life easier.
2. You have to understand and account for what "YOU" did wrong in each game. No the deck. The pilot.
3. You have to be able to make some meta calls based on limited info, and since you're not investing a huge amount of money you're looking at everything in the R/x pool to get there. Over/Under/through.
Everything from Madcap skillz to mizzium mortars, traitorous effects, and fanatic of mogis.... it is a deck that requires you to really keep up each week if you want to win with it.
Its not easy to play because it really NOT a deck that is going to save you because of sheer card strength. It's going to give you matches because you were a disciplined player who's read things correctly.
Not I say all that to say that while I love it. . . I'm playing a different deck until I feel like I'm a stronger agro player.
Playing it will make you a better magic player though if your honest about your plays and play skill. Mho
Right, its very unforgiving. In building and piloting, you definitely need to have a certain reading the meta and your card evaluation has to be spot on with the shifts.
The deck does thankfully have answers if you stick to the plan its just revolving the pieces correctly.
Funny, I shied away from playing it because of this. I felt like... I felt like I genuinely wasn't skilled enough to be piloting in. I moved to G/W which allowed me to... let say "play with less discipline" so to speak.
2nd. A lot of what they're going to tell you is going to boil down to "piloting" + "sideboarding" + deckbuilding = win.
Note how there's a mono red devotion deck in the top 8 of the protour.
So there are a lot of variables going into your question but yes it is good.
Edit: In general it is good. The list your using and your meta and the such matters.
I tend to think of it in terms "match ups" it has a good matchup vs esper which was an expected thing.
vs g/w it can actually struggle but mostly you win that learning the strategy and deploying it correctly.
B/x/x I've discovered losses pretty handily in my experience primarily because of whatever threaten effect r/x runs out of the side.
Think of it like this though. There is not "perfect deck" and every deck in the format sits down and says "How are we vs RDW" and really most decks can't even get off the ground unless they feel like they can win that matchup without effort. (note: They're wrong a lot. )
Thanks. It funny because its true
As far as satyr... It was the best of times it was the worst of times...
I hate him, but if you're following the formula having 2/1's for 1 is important. Right this second thought there's so many creatures that he seems worse and worse with every match. I'm not sure he can be done without over all though, but we've talked about it at length in other groups. So wisely I'm going to let it settle a bit and see if the format stays solidly about critters.
I'm really weirded out by it. I guess its basically trying to tap out control, like a jund deck would do lead by removal start resolving threats that just change the game etc... and that pack rat interaction, it so dirty, lol.
I agree with you about the preemptive hate. The great thing about those to cards is that they're not otherwise unplayable. Selesnya charm being just the perfect answer to gods and Pro-blue "can't be countered" guys are the perfect clock. G/w just doesn't even notice them because they do thing the deck wants to do somewhat anyway. Ironically I started doing that to kill esper... its just won of those cool bonuses.
As far as cryptic command, and bitterblossom. . .
I missed that season because of real life stuff, from what I hear though it was kinda overpowered.
I have to make of that what I will I guess.
The truth is that there's going to be some settling of the meta, and master of waves is a card.
. . . being overplayed in a single tourney by an amazing group of players, unleashed on a new meta.
So you know, while some people are just going get all gushy at the prospect of playing a tempo deck again, OMG! *HEART THROB* lol. No offense, it still likely more wise to wait, before overpaying for these cards.
In the defense of Master on the other hand. . . he so much reminds me of huntmaster its scary.
To think that he can explode and I just think... why the hell is this a U card?
There is literally zero reason for it. What the hell wizards? Going from huntmaster to this just reinforces my idea that the Pie is a lie. etc.
I was thinking that... our natural anti-agro plan of flames of the firebrand might be relevant vs them as well.
I actually think its the bident of thassa that's letting them win the game. Lord knows finkels in love with it by now.
I personally have taken to running mist hunter in the main... and I've never regretted it. Haste matters so much, just wow.
Black and G/R are the deck that has given me the most worry. Sundering growth however is beating and I'm ashamed to say I've not been using it.
Black because active whip pwns pretty often.
G/R(monsters!) ramp just because of Pro-white dragon.
The "Soilder of the patheon"'s pro multicolor has been super relavant vs me as well. . . but that's...because I'm not siding out loxosmiter enough I realize.
So I'm definitely learning a lot. (all the while plugging Skylasher for the love)
I think a bit of both. I think they hit the meta unexpectedly and that they're be around for a bit. However. . .
I think the way to deal with is to stick to the beatdown strategy.
Be it siding in Skylasher and Mistcutter Hydra vs Blue.
Or being better with managing the play sequencing vs black.
Or maintaining the ability to "be the beatdown" vs red.
I have a speculation that G/x might end up being way more threatning that people want to give it credit for. Especially G/w... but I guess you guys already knew that.
Playing this deck I have 2 problem decks I face. 1. G/R ramp midrange, and 2. Grixis of all things. I...man. I know its not a popular deck I just hate it so when it does appear. I guess though I have to accept that loss because, Gw does so well vs everything else.
I think it depends on the Black deck.
The Tortured hero/mogis marauder decks might run this for some decent reach they might otherwise miss.
If you're your running a black based aggro stratagem. Aside from that you're spot on I'd say as is the op.
It actually matters MORE for B/X aggro because of whip of erebos and bident of thassa. It does a lot of work for that deck and would be worth 3-4 in the side.
Maybe. I myself have been playing a G/W deck that runs 3 mistcutter hydra and 2 skylasher in the main.
I'd been doing that because esper was too popular in my local meta.
I have 2 more skylasher and another mistcutter hydra in the side.
That has effectively given me a by in most of that matchup as was my intention. A huge amount of people tell me "Skylasher... wow. I completely forgot about that card" *sadface*
Please bear with me. (because I know what the people in the camp of loving this deck are thinking) I'm going somewhere with this I promise.
I have zero fear of RDW(which has always been "my" deck") because I'm playing otherwise big undercosted fatties.
Now. I'm not a magic genius, but I do understand the meta pretty well.
U/x devotion might be a real deck but it IS experiencing the amount of win its having because of 2 reasons.
1. The people who are playing it. So lets be honest with ourselves. We're NOT playing at the level of those guys and makes that deck look way better that it might otherwise be.
2. "SURPRISE!!!!"
"We have a deck that crushes G/R, and R/W!, but has game vs everyone!!!"
Ok. It is indeed a good deck.
TO BE SURE MIDNIGHT_V is SAYING it is obviously a good deck.
That being said it has a lot on its side tm (because well, Reasons) that leading to some needless wanking and excessive price jumps.
To me having 4 mistcutters and 4 skylasher, along with voice of resurgence and loxodon smiters and/or Boon Satyr, and Advent... seemed a natural fit because I personally HATE U/W control strategy so much. . .
The fact remains however what were looking at is inflated results based on taking advantage of an unprepared meta.
I personally applaud them.
Eventually, someone's going to make something like I don't know... Golgari aggro and crush all, because they have the maindeckable hate to do so.
Hmm...
1 more thing. . . The popularity of this deck "suddenly" may have to do with there being a fair to huge amount of players who are thirsty to crush aggro decks, like I want to crush control. It gets personal with mtgplayers sometimes I think. So like while I gave up RDW's to play G/W (of all things vomit) I know that there's going to be massive amounts of people dying to shake up MTGOnline because RDW's had a real strong showing this last season until now.
Still there you go. If this deck gets you down. Start looking at Golgari deck wins, but at least remember that there's a lot of hate that you can just level against them right out. Right now.
So speaks
-Midnight_v
What do you guys think about SCGBLUE.dec.
I guess I could call it Dublin blue. I see they have a thread for it and notice that people are fapping furiously to master of waves.
Should we be worried? I personally still run R/g or G/w stopmy but when you're NOT able to field 4 skylasher and 4 Mystcutter (like I do sometimes since I'm a bad person, and I hate them so much) is that deck something that immediately demands some restructuring. Alternatively, is this just another hurdle that has to be crossed with skill, Is master of waves another thrag? Or is it timely reinforcments. Not to mention bident.