Consider writing a small primer for your deck detailing the gameplan, what you what to achieve with your deck, it'll help people suggest cards from the vast cardpool and you'll find people more willing to help if they know what you are looking for.
Plus you have a lot of other 1 drops it can recur
Mother of runes / serra ascendant / soul warden / Soul's Attendant to name to few
Thank you very much for the suggestion, I will write out a primer as well as update the decklist. The Proclamation of Rebirth and Martyr of Sands might have a place in this deck, though out of the two I feel that Proclamation might be the better of the two for myself, though I'm not sure if it's actually worth putting in my deck to pull the creatures that it can target out of graveyard.
So far it's been fine, I'm thinking of adding more mana artifacts. I've wont 4 out of 6 games with it in multiplayer. I usually find that I run low on mana because of mass land destruction so hopefully the artifacts will help with that, probably a coalition relic Any advice for combo cards maybe? The deck is meant to be prison/lifegain/token
This deck is a quasi-prison/life gain/token deck with multiple win conditions. The main win condition I have always hit is through life gain "You win the game if you have over x life" The rest is to bulk up to either protect myself while it happens, or to attack for the kill if I am set up for it.
Sadistic Sacrament Would be helpful against eldrazi or any other kind of combo deck. Also i wouldnt have the liana vess bc all she becomes is a Diabolic Tutor for five and it goes on top of your library so if they have a Jace 2.0 you lose it anyways. Throw in either your Grave Titan or Rise from the Grave that way you can grab their biggest creature
Thanks for that advice. I'll probably sideboard liliana because the standard i go too is small and no one there is playing jace 2.0 as far as I know. But the Sadistic Sacrament is an amazing suggestion thank you. It will help me deal with 2 decks that have been annoying me one is using a mitotic slime and bloodthrone vampire combo. The other one to make sure I 100% get his Eldrazi Monuments (hes playing eldrazi token + raid bombardment)
Would put Jaces Erasure and Keening Stone add more twin cast get rid of the planeswalkers and add Jace, The Mindsculpture if you have them as well as add Foresee you also need something that will stick on the board long enough. Wall of frost is good but to quickly it will be removed or destroyed leaving yourself wide open
I think I might try and add 2 Keening Stone Definately adding more twin cast If I could I would put 2 Jace, The Mindsculpture But alas they are a bit expensive, I do have 5 grave titan I could trade but the problem is they have dropped in value so i am holding onto them hoping they go up. I think I also want to toss in 2 Lilliana Vess total, just because of her -2 ability, and -8 ability being able to put all their cards I had milled onto the graveyard under my control while my walls hold them back. What would you suggest instead of the wall of frost?
I would like any sort of advice on this mill deck, I know it is not going to be around much longer, but I would still like to improve it before some of the cards are rotated out, if you could give me advice on cards it would be great (I know there might be too little of some cards just because it is what was available, but still please point it out if you feel there is too little or too much of something) Also if you could suggest some alternatives to Mind Funeral, and Nemesis of Reason since they will be rotated out (not sure what else will be rotated out)
Thank you all very much. Anything about plat/abyssal I would want to know has probably been answered, sorry for sounding like an idiot half the time due to misreading cards.
You may be misreading Platinum Angel. You seem to be under the impression that is stops all players from losing/winning, when it only stops you from losing (and your opponent from winning).
eg. if both players life totals drop to 0 and one controls a Platinum Angel, the game will end because the player without the angel loses.
In you scenario, your opponent would lose, regardless of the angel living or dying.
EDIT: And that confirms it. If your opponent has 0 life, they will lose the game when SBAs are checked, before you get the chance to do anything. Since nothing is keeping them alive.
Ah okay, sorry you are correct, I kept on thinking that neither player can win for some reason even after reading about 50 times (A.D.D. does that to you..)
This question though should make sense, if I have 0 life and my opponent has 4 life, and I Fling the angel at my opponent, what would the outcome of this be.
You would both lose simultaneously, which does indeed result in a draw. And no, you would not have a chance to do anything between the Angel dying and you both losing.
One more question, in the mill situation. If I were to sacrifice the angel with a card that had "Sacrifice creature draw a or x cards" Does the sacrificing the angel and my opponent losing happen first, or would we both lose because I am have sacrificed the angel and attempting to draw a card.
Do they happen simultaneously or does the the effect of him having 0 life happen before I would draw and lose due to being milled?
If you control both the Abyssal Persecutor and the Platinum Angel, and your opponent is at 0 life or less, and you then got rid of the persecutor, you would win because the angel is preventing you from losing.
If you control the persecutor and your opponent controls the angel, and you had to draw a card with no cards left in your library, you would lose.
Sorry I misread the cards and had thought that both abilities were the same. But now I have realised one prevents you from winning and one prevents you from losing.
But also the 2nd scenario you had presented was not what I was asking. though I did mess up so it is understandable
The scenario I am asking about is if I have an Platinum Angel And I get milled to no cards, when both me and my opponent have positive life. If I were to get him down to negative 2, and I had 2 health, and then platinum angel came off the field, What would come first on the stack, me losing to being milled, or him losing to having negative life.
In the situation you describe, your opponent would lose first, since you wouldn't lose until you attempted to draw a card, whereas he loses when state-based actions are checked, which is going to be directly after whatever made his life drop to 0 occurs.
Ah okay, thank you very much this is exactly what I was looking for. And if we were both under 0 and I was milled and he wasn't I assume we would tie, because the second the effect stoped we would both effectively be dead, giving no chance to respond?
Also sorry for not using (CARD) links this is my first time using this site and I had forgot to.
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Thank you very much for the suggestion, I will write out a primer as well as update the decklist. The Proclamation of Rebirth and Martyr of Sands might have a place in this deck, though out of the two I feel that Proclamation might be the better of the two for myself, though I'm not sure if it's actually worth putting in my deck to pull the creatures that it can target out of graveyard.
Any advice on this deck would be appreciated.
1x Angel of Jubilation
1x Avacyn, Angel of Hope
1x Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1x Felidar Sovereign
1x Mother of Runes
1x Serra Ascendant
1x Mikaeus, the Lunarch
1x Windborn Muse
1x Karmic Guide
1x Serra Avatar
1x Soul Warden
1x Soul's Attendant
1x Suture Priest
1x Sun Titan
1x Intrepid Hero
1x Grand Abolisher
1x Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1x Mirran Crusader
1x Mentor of the Meek
1x Elspeth Tirel
1x Ajani Goldmane
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1x Celestial Mantle
1x Rule of Law
1x Terra Eternal
1x Test of Endurance
1x Stony Silence
1x Leyline of Sanctity
1x Luminarch Ascension
1x Oblivion Ring
1x Ghostly Prison
1x Crackdown
1x Land Tax
1x Divine Deflection
1x Beacon of Immortality
1x Enlightened Tutor
1x War Report
1x Samite Ministration
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x White Sun's Zenith
1x Tithe
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Witchbane Orb
1x Sol Ring
1x Extraplanar Lens
1x Gauntlet of Power
1x Norn's Annex
1x Eldrazi Monument
1x Caged Sun
1x Mox Diamond
1x Skullclamp
1x Terminus
1x Storm Herd
1x Increasing Devotion
1x Survival Cache
1x Wrath of God
1x Idyllic Tutor
1x Conqueror's Pledge
1x Austere Command
1x Martial Coup
1x Island of Wak-Wak
1x Emeria, The Sky Ruin
33x Snow-Covered Plains
1x Thawing Glaciers
Traumatize is amazing though if I combine it with keening stone or haunting echoes =(, and Jace's Erasure, is just too slow. If I were to pull a Mind Funeral over a Jace's Erasure, I would mill more cards than a single Jace's Erasure would the whole game.
Thanks for that advice. I'll probably sideboard liliana because the standard i go too is small and no one there is playing jace 2.0 as far as I know. But the Sadistic Sacrament is an amazing suggestion thank you. It will help me deal with 2 decks that have been annoying me one is using a mitotic slime and bloodthrone vampire combo. The other one to make sure I 100% get his Eldrazi Monuments (hes playing eldrazi token + raid bombardment)
Thats what Leyline of the Void is sideboarded for. And when scars come out I will have memoricide
I think I might try and add 2 Keening Stone Definately adding more twin cast If I could I would put 2 Jace, The Mindsculpture But alas they are a bit expensive, I do have 5 grave titan I could trade but the problem is they have dropped in value so i am holding onto them hoping they go up. I think I also want to toss in 2 Lilliana Vess total, just because of her -2 ability, and -8 ability being able to put all their cards I had milled onto the graveyard under my control while my walls hold them back. What would you suggest instead of the wall of frost?
4 Hedron Crab
3 Wall of Frost
2 Nemesis of Reason
Planeswalkers
1 Sorin Markov
2 Jace Beleren
1 Liliana Vess
Spells
3 Mind Funeral
2 Haunting Echoes
2 Preordain
3 Mana Leak
3 Cancel
4 Archive Trap
2 Leyline of Anticipation
2 Redirect
1 Twincast
4 Doom Blade
2 Traumatize
1 Crystal Ball
Land
2 Drowned Catacombs
4 Terramorphic Expanse
5 Swamp
15 Island
2 Leyline of the Void
Things I have taken out of my deck and possibly sideboards
4 Wind Zendikon
2 Platinum Angel
2 Narcolepsy
4 Tomb Scour (Would rather draw a mind funeral)
Ah okay, sorry you are correct, I kept on thinking that neither player can win for some reason even after reading about 50 times (A.D.D. does that to you..)
This question though should make sense, if I have 0 life and my opponent has 4 life, and I Fling the angel at my opponent, what would the outcome of this be.
One more question, in the mill situation. If I were to sacrifice the angel with a card that had "Sacrifice creature draw a or x cards" Does the sacrificing the angel and my opponent losing happen first, or would we both lose because I am have sacrificed the angel and attempting to draw a card.
Do they happen simultaneously or does the the effect of him having 0 life happen before I would draw and lose due to being milled?
Sorry I misread the cards and had thought that both abilities were the same. But now I have realised one prevents you from winning and one prevents you from losing.
But also the 2nd scenario you had presented was not what I was asking. though I did mess up so it is understandable
I shall rephrase I guess, ignore the Abyssal Persecutor and this question is meant JUST for the Platinum Angel
The scenario I am asking about is if I have an Platinum Angel And I get milled to no cards, when both me and my opponent have positive life. If I were to get him down to negative 2, and I had 2 health, and then platinum angel came off the field, What would come first on the stack, me losing to being milled, or him losing to having negative life.
Ah okay, thank you very much this is exactly what I was looking for. And if we were both under 0 and I was milled and he wasn't I assume we would tie, because the second the effect stoped we would both effectively be dead, giving no chance to respond?
Also sorry for not using (CARD) links this is my first time using this site and I had forgot to.
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