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So why again can't I use Phyrexian mana?

Because Spitting Image is blue and Birthing Pod is not blue, so Phil Bluemage can't use it.

EDIT: Note, this is the same justification that would keep the 2/C hybrids out of any deck. Phyrexian mana is just hybrid mana with 2 life on the other side instead of 2 generic mana.

And I agree here, that only two-color hybrids should really be up for discussion in terms of allowing hybrids. I definitely do not want to see Mental Misstep and Gitaxian Probe in nearly ever deck in EDH.

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So are you arguing the flavor of the card, or the mechanical aspect of the card?

Yeah, I'm having trouble keeping track of which aspects each side is arguing from as well. Could we get a chart?

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There are 2 'tribes' here:
One that is saying that it won't break the format, so we should allow hybrid mana.
The second cares about sancity of the format and that allowing hybrid would ruin it.

I'd place myself pretty firmly in the middle here. It probably won't break the format, and I wouldn't mind if it did happen, but I don't feel that it's a change that needs to happen.

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Color identity was originally just the color on the card. Myself and like-minded people said "hey, you should CHANGE the color identity rule so Memnarch, despite being colorless, would have a blue color identity." And they did. Now myself and like-minded people are saying "hey, you should CHANGE the color identity rule to hybrid cards, despite being multicolor, could have a monocolor color identity."

But what's to stop yourself and like-minded people from then saying "You know what, we can play hybrid cards in mono-colored decks, so why not just get rid of the color restriction altogether?" It is another common suggestion. In fact, it's more common than asking to allow hybrid cards.

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because there are several game interactions that already don't make sense within the Commander rules framework.

So we should intentionally make more? That seems even more nonsensical.

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107.4e Hybrid mana symbols are also colored mana symbols. Each one represents a cost that can be paid in one of two ways, as represented by the two halves of the symbol. A hybrid symbol such as {W/U} can be paid with either white or blue mana, and a monocolored hybrid symbol such as {2/B} can be paid with either one black mana or two mana of any type. A hybrid mana symbol is all of its component colors.
Example: {G/W}{G/W} can be paid by spending {G}{G}, {G}{W}, or {W}{W}.

Can this be changed? Sure. And RC could rule change commander to do so, or Maro could do something to get it changed if it were necessary.

The issue if it is only changed for Commander? Now there is a ruling that breaks EDH rules from regular MTG rules that other formats while playing the game. That is not intuitive.

I think this is one of the most important points for the anti-hybrid side. Keeping the rules as close to regular MTG rules is quite relevant.

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Hybrid cards were intended to be played in their respective monocolor decks, and Wizards succeeded at this in all sanctioned formats. EDH is a little slow to this concept, but better late than never.

Yeah, sure. Is it really so convenient to allow it, though? I'm not seeing it. I think that from a mechanical standpoint, you immediately run into the issue that it might be too much of a rules contradiction to change it. A flavor standpoint is something more debatable. An intentions standpoint is interesting. But if we're going off of precedence by intention, then shouldn't we be mostly thinking from a mechanical standpoint, anyways? I think it's possible that the intentions standpoint slips by this issue, but I'm yet to be completely convinced, which would warm me over significantly to the idea of changing the rules.

Yeah, I love Pox, but I wouldn't suggest it with your mana base. Exquisite Blood-Sanguine Bond combo is pretty bad, too, by the way.

Rings of Brighthearth seems amazing for you, at the very least for fetches and your general.

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We found partial paris to make it way too easy to sculpt insane starts and the disparity between the uber-starts and the eh-starts were way too common.

I'm surprised just how few people get this. After seeing a handful of decks with only 20-25 lands that would abuse partial paris to no end, I have steadily been less and less enthused by it.

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Unfortunately it looks like the only decks that can actually play competitively right now are Ezuri elfball and black decks designed specifically to counter elfball. The banlist definitely needs another wave of additions and a lot more testing.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why this format should be played over Duel as the competitive singleton general using format of choice.

I agree with Jivan here. I like Tiny Leaders as a casual format, but competitively Duel seems so much better. I don't think this tiny format lives up to the leading amount of hype among commander-style formats.

NOTE: This post has been approved by a moderator.

So some regular forum members and I have been working on an EDH-oriented podcast. We recorded our first episode a couple weeks ago. Still some technical issues to iron out, but check it out:

Introduction
Topic 1: Thinking How Far Ahead
Topic 2: Control-Stealing Effects
Topic 3: Tucking Commanders
Bonus Topic 4: Khans Commanders
Conclusion

Combined Version

Merged into Solicitation Discussion Thread -Cythare

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Yeah, and you can apply that to racism. No black people in the front of the bus=no infinite combos. Stop being racist let me play combos
/end sarcasm.
But seriously it's not a matter of the combos, or the deck, it's the mentality behind the people that play it. So I think the best thing to do is to ban people from groups.

Because they are black? I think that's a bit outdated, at least here in the US... I don't know... I'm not particularly racist.

If not the blacks then who are we supposed to hate in the US again? I can never quite remember who's turn it is, maybe it's the Chinese turn, or is it the Jews again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIlJ8ZCs4jY

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Their prices are what they are. I don't actually buy singles from them so that part of the company doesn't concern me much. I know there is a lot of debate about but I try to stay out of it. What I don't understand is the firing of Lauren Lee, canceling their PT sponsorship and now this.

You do realize that SCG has semi-monopolistic control over the entire MtG market?

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I was one of the noobs in fact i did not even read his general until i was getting trashed by it.... im more impressed by the fact it was an aggro player who had obviously played me before but choose not to block me but still hates me. + sol ring dynamo or sol ring gilded lotus have always been stupid starts in any deck. still .....

lol so do you play against like the same 20 people on loop because everyone else has banned you?

What isthe pointof the Western Union app? Is it to make it easier for people to send money to their make believe catfishing "girlfriend" in Nigeria?

In debating on whether or not to get into Tiny Leaders. It doesn't seem like there's much room for splashy plays. :/

To it's credit, it's a potentially evasive creature in G that can hit the field turn 2, so Edric, Spymaster of Trest can play him in groups that play plenty of B.

How about some more ways to recur your artifacts? Trading Post, Beacon of Unrest and Buried Ruin might fit. XDOE is strong enough that he will do good work for you regardless of how you build your deck. My take on him is to maximize the number of black cards to get the most out of his recursion, particularly non-creatures, since he is the only general that can get those back for you.
If you are not sure about the rituals, but want to test one out, bubbling muck is a cool one since it scales really well into the late game allowing you to pull off massive plays.

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I'm with Riven PoK takes over certain metas but it never sticks on board in the ones I play in.

You guys can post your deck lists in the database, you don't need to make blogs. Just because my list is a primer does not mean you can't have your own post.

That being said, I have really enjoyed the conversation here so please feel free to keep discussing your own ideas

The most fun I personally have with EDH is playing moderately competitive decks tuned to interact fairly within a playgroup. Mileage may vary of course.

That said: I feel pretty strongly that hyper-competitive EDH is a format that's busted and not likely to be fun for very long, and would recommend skipping it. The ban list doesn't try to tune it as a competitive format and that's the fundamental issue you're going to run into.