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Dockside Extorionist - An okay choice for Goblin builds.
Dreamshaper Shaman - I'm going to do something different and redesign this card to the point that I would consider running it while having it still be reasonable: Dreamshaper Shaman 1RR Legendary Enchantment Creature - Minotaur Shaman 2R, T: Sacrifice a nonland permanent. Reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a nonland permanent. Put that card onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. 2/2 Oread of Mountain's Blaze - One of the cards of this sort that is okay. Still would be way more reasonable if it didn't cost 5 mana and 2 cards before it was useful. Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded - Oh god why did they make a Purphoros-themed card that is SO mana-intensive and not even stellar for its effect? Use Sneak Attack if you really want this effect. Underworld Breach - Norin as a deck runs into some issues at times with recurring cards. I want to test Underworld Breach out and see how it turns out for me. Nyx Lotus - The first noncreature card with Lotus in its name that is objectively worth less than eating the cardboard on which it is printed for nourishment. Labyrinth of Skophos - Not worth the mana cost for my build, but a decent card in and of itself.
K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth - I wish this was actually a bomb and not just a huge mana and life investment. Mire in Misery - I hate the design of this card, so I'd love to just pass it by, but it is worth consideration. It's not worth it enough, but some decks can make use of it.
Nightmare Shepherd - If this cost 1-2 less mana, I'd consider it for the combo potential with Painter's Servant and Command Beacon. Nyx Lotus - The first noncreature card with Lotus in its name that is objectively worth less than eating the cardboard on which it is printed for nourishment.
Sevinne's Reclamation - This card is a gimmick that isn't really worth it. Kinda fun, though. Kadena's Silencer - 5 mana mass stifle is 3 mana too much. Sanctum of Eternity - SHENANIGANS! If only the land tapped for something other than colorless...
Ashiok's Erasure - If it cost 3 mana, maybe. Nadir Kraken - I really wanted to like this card. It just doesn't do enough. Naiad of Hidden Coves - Interesting, but not very effective. Stinging Lionfish - Same idea as Naiad of Hidden Coves. Thassa's Intervention - I wish there was an entwine mode, and I wish the whole thing didn't cost 5 mana to be useful. Wavebreak Hippocamp - Now that's what I'm talking about. I wish, I wish upon a fish? It's not great, so it might not make the cut in the long run, but it's the only card here that I might consider testing. Whirlwind Denial - I think the designers of this card are in denial about how ineffective it will be most of the time, but I'd almost consider testing it if I didn't know better. Nyx Lotus - The first noncreature card with Lotus in its name that is objectively worth less than eating the cardboard on which it is printed for nourishment. Labyrinth of Skophos - Mystifying Maze is not quite good enough for me to run, and neither is this, but it's a good budget choice if you can't afford Maze of Ith.
Quote from the_offspring »Wild thought. What about Dreamshaper Shaman? It's hella expensive in mana cost but sacrificing tokens and the eventual Norin to it seems to have potential.. EDIT: After a good night's sleep I think it's safe to say that this idea would be funny, but not the best fit for a 6 CMC slot. Might give it a try someday, but not expecting too much of it.
Quote from vezokpiraka »Quote from Ecophagy »I've upadted my spreadsheet of games for 2019. It can be found with the last two years of data here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1muhJXjOTT5BcvWtHODAnUmXPgpJqOdTboX6XkQevC3s/edit?usp=sharing Please let me know if you find any errors! Rhand is a big nerd who played 11 (out of 14) games. Congratulations to Cantipmancer who has the best win rate at 66% in his 9 games. Special commiserations to Rumanashi for playing the most games without a win (5). I am missing from your speadsheet and this makes me sad.
Quote from Ecophagy »I've upadted my spreadsheet of games for 2019. It can be found with the last two years of data here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1muhJXjOTT5BcvWtHODAnUmXPgpJqOdTboX6XkQevC3s/edit?usp=sharing Please let me know if you find any errors! Rhand is a big nerd who played 11 (out of 14) games. Congratulations to Cantipmancer who has the best win rate at 66% in his 9 games. Special commiserations to Rumanashi for playing the most games without a win (5).
Quote from Alex916 »how has nobody mentioned Endless Atlas? This card seems pretty good, compared to mostly Reverse Loot effects that red gets, this is just flat draw
Quote from Piemasterzero »Thank you so much for the recommendations. Sorry, I forgot to mention the reason why I wanted to remove the land destruction is due to playgroup.
Fires of Invention - Fun card, especially if you can find ways around the limitation. But the limitation is pretty painful. Merchant of the Vale - I don't like this as much as other people do. I think the resource investment is just too damn high. Thrill of Possibility - If it wasn't in the cost... Next. Torbran, Thane of Red Fell - Yes please. I want this card in my life badly. Heraldic Banner - Not the worst choice but a bit anticlimactic with an army of Myr tokens. Castle Embereth - Wow, this effect is underwhelming. Dwarven Mine - Wow this effect is underwhelming too. Fabled Passage - Another fetchland? That restriction, though... Maybe. Arcane Signet - This feels like a good kind of mana accel. I'm not sure if it'll last, but for now it's good for testing. Tome of Legends - AMAAAAAZING! Sign me up.
Ayara, First of Locthwain - It's begging to be good enough. It really wants to be. And it's so close. If I had any of the 4-mana variants of this effect, I'd cut them for this in a heartbeat. As is, meh. The Cauldron of Eternity - Oof. It has a nice effect, but it's so limited in actual functionality. Pass. Epic Downfall - This is honestly a close consideration. I think it's meta-dependent. Rankle, Master of Pranks - A cool card for its own deck. Not as great here. Ser Konrad, the Grim - If it was on a smaller body, it could cost less. If it cost less, it would be a consideration. As is, it's rather underwhelming. Wishclaw Talisman - I mean, I'd have to be running a way to sacrifice it. And Homeward Path. And then I still would feel bad running it. It's okay, I guess. Castle Locthwain - Wow, that drawback is awful. Could be worse, but unlikely to even test this; Sea Gate Wreckage is unfortunately comparable in the optimal usage. Witch's Cottage - A possible consideration. I think it's not the worst idea, but I'm not sure what I'd replace with it. I may come back to this if I decide that it's worth it. Arcane Signet - A good card that I might just run. It's a bit plain, but not the end of the world. I'm thinking it slightly gets edged out in the bigger picture, but it's worth consideration. Tome of Legends - I like this card a lot and want to run it... I may at least test it if I find myself playing the deck any time soon.
Deafening Silence - This Rule of Law variant hurts us more than it helps us. I'd rather run Rule of Law, and I wouldn't run Rule of Law in an optimized build. Glass Casket - While interesting, the limitation hurts this card significantly, especially in this format. Pass. Hushbringer - Sad but true that this card is not worth it for the deck. I might run it in a more focused static control deck, though. Folio of Fancies - Run Jace Beleren instead. This isn't a group-hug deck. Gadwick, the Wizened - Too high a mana cost, for a creature that isn't searchable and an effect we don't need. Mono-blue Wizards, eat your heart out. Into the Story - Honestly, if this had a base cost of 6 I would consider it. At 7, it's laughably unlikely without the cost reduction being much higher. Midnight Clock - SO MUCH WORK! At 1U, I'd consider it. As is, no. Mirrormade - Copy Artifact usually serves our purposes better given the lower mana cost, even if it can't hit enchantments. Mystical Dispute - This isn't good at 3 and this isn't great at 1... Next. Stolen by the Fae - While I love the design of this card, I think that in the end it's so limited by its scaling nature. X spells that you want to pay more than 5 mana total for are meh for this deck. Dance of the Manse - In a different specific build, this card is insane. In my build, less so. Castle Ardenvale - I like it, but the effect is not strong enough for what I want. Meh. Castle Vantress - Same as Castle Ardenvale. Idyllic Grange - Maybe? It's very limited though. Mystic Sanctuary - I like this card a lot, but I'm worried that it's going to sit there collecting dust most games. Not the worst effect though. Arcane Signet - I sat there thinking about this card for a long time. Despite the early game combo plays with Sol Ring, I think this card isn't worth it for this deck. Tome of Legends - Not enough movement from Geist to make this card worth it.
Quote from DementedKirby »Interesting... I will probably just maintain my primers here just because they have some history and have been here for a while. There's lots of discussions and I believe that they'll still be useful if I'm still able to edit and maintain them. That being said, the staff here at MTGSalvation have made the experience and forums an amazing place and their dedication deserves way more merit and credit than can be given. I hope that, once MTGNexus is up and running, an announcement can be made and thus be able to create an account there (and hopefully no one takes my username ). It won't be easy juggling between being active in two different sites, but I will probably only be attentive here to my primers. If the exodus towards MTGNexus is a certain thing, then I will join that immigration.