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  • posted a message on [[Primer]] Norin the Wary - Heads I win, Tails you lose.
    Quote from s0undfx »
    When/why did grip of chaos and planar chaos fall out of favor? Those were some of my favorite cards in the deck but it seems like they got cut.


    Grip of Chaos doesn't do enough immediately for its cost for my build. Planar Chaos impedes my own plan too much for not having effective ways to ignore it.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Day 2
    Post-Game Thoughts

    First things first, I would never have made this setup were it not for tomsloger during last year's podcast recording saying "I really want to see your take on a sequel to Janken/RPS." So that's something.

    The blind mechanic is something I've explored in the past. It's... not quite ideal for this setup. I do think that having a harsh anti-claim mechanic is reasonable, though results are not as much part of the problem as the role claims themselves, in that vein. It's a concept I may experiment with in the future, but if I do so, I want it to be codified, public, and universal to whatever degree that is doable.

    I do think the choice of the hints was me being too clever by halves. They didn't really contribute anything. At the same time, I don't think they particularly hurt things, but definitely were somewhat shaky grounds in terms of trying to put a twist on things. For reference:

    • Monty Hall was a TV presenter who opens doors. "A Doorman."
    • A doctor who kills is often referred to as "An Angel of Death."
    • A packager boxes up their target, preventing them from acting, and "smuggling" them through the night phase.
    • A vigilante killer "decides" someone's fate.
    • The MMM (Messenger/Medium/Modposter) "manipulates" people with their messages.
    • One of the standard alien tropes is that of an alien "observing" the human race.
    • The redirector "commands" people to target something else.

    I think that despite the way the past two iterations of this game were run, the correct approach to the Janken-style setups is actually as open micros or minis (12 players with an added 4 Town Fruit Vendors and 1 Mafia Fruit Vendor all of whom level up into more reliable fruit vendors). There's much more to it if people know to manipulate results and in what direction, and while I sorta over-designed things intentionally with the possibility of extra nights, it would only be better to compact the "Egg-Chicken-Dinosaur" element of the game (the upgrade levels) if it was played again with 7 players rather than the larger 12. A no-kill N0 would also not be unreasonable in either case.

    I might be down to play in another round of this if someone else wanted to run it, but I think unless one of the games I have here is up to run in this community, I'll probably take a break from all mafia play/hosting for a little while after Sayonara finishes on MC and Pika Pika on Smashboards (if that starts). The constant act of pushing to keep games firing and going, both on signups and replacements, has gotten quite tiring to the point that I think that I'm starting to hit a bit of burnout on mafia which has been reflected in small mistakes in my hosting. One or two of those small mistakes here and there might be excusable for large setups, but this was 7 players and I still made a mistake on action handling.

    Thanks for playing!
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Day 2
    Game Over



    ZeDorkSlipeur has been kicked. They were... Town Monty Hall Cop ("The Doorman")

    Town can no longer win, as mafia has reached parity.

    Setup Reminder:

    Rock beats Scissors, Scissors beats Paper, Paper beats Rock.
    Each player chooses rock, paper, or scissors each night, and may target another player. Players may not self-target unless their role states otherwise.
    Players learn their alignment and a hint word but not their role or abilities.

    Win/Draw/Lose


    Win/Draw/Lose at Janken.

    ZDS - Town Monty Hall Cop - "The Doorman"
    If you are protected, you are roleblocked.
    Worse MH Cop (Both)/XXX/XXX
    Better MH Cop (Both)/XXX/XXX
    Alignment Cop/Friendly Neighbour/UG-Burn

    Wisp - Town Protective - "The Angel of Death"
    Doctor/XXX/Bodyguard
    2T Bodyguard (You)/XXX/2T Bodyguard (Target)
    2T Doctor (You)/XXX/Kill Mirror+UG-Burn

    Pokechu - Town Packager - "The Smuggler"
    XXX/Packager/Hider
    Hider+Packager/XXX/XXX
    Hider+Packager/Packager/XXX

    Highroller - Town Vigilante - "The Decider"
    1S-50%-Dayvig/XXX/XXX
    XXX/XXX/Justice-Vig
    1S-Dayvig+UG-Burn/Vig+UG-Burn/XXX

    Grapefruit21 - Town MMM - "The Manipulator"
    XXX/Half-Tweet-Message/Tweet-Message
    Dead-Tweet/Half-Dead-Tweet/XXX
    2x Thread-Tweet/2x Half-Thread-Tweet/XXX

    Gentleman Johnny - Mafia Alien - "The Observer"
    Whenever you successfully block a player's action, you learn that player's role.
    UG-Burn/XXX/Roleblock
    XXX/Rolestop/Roleblock
    Alien Torturer/Roleblock/XXX

    Rhand - Mafia Redirector - "The Commander"
    Wins against lower level.
    XXX/Upgrade/XXX
    Redirector (You)/Downgrade/Magnetizer (Target)
    Full Rodder/Bus Driver (You)/XXX

    ZeDorkSlipeur - Town Monty Hall Cop - The Doorman

    If you are protected, you are roleblocked.

    On win, you and your target each choose (non-targeting) another player and then it's between your target and the other 2.

    TSS - If C is town, then B is town.
    TT? - If A is town, then B is town.

    On tie or lose, you get nothing.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win:

    TSS - If A is town, then B is scum.
    TTS - If A is town, then C is scum.
    TTT - If A is town, then B is town.

    On tie or lose, you get nothing.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win, you learn the alignment of your target.

    On tie, your target learns your alignment.

    On lose, you burnout this upgrade level.


    Wisp - Town Protective - The Angel of Death

    On win, you protect your target from kills this Round.

    On tie, you get nothing.

    On lose, you protect your target from kills this Round, but if they would have been killed, you die.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win, you protect your target and another target of your choice from kills this Round, but if either would have been killed, you die.

    On tie, you get nothing.

    On lose, you protect your target and another target of their choice from kills this Round, but if either would have been killed, you die.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win, you protect your target and another target of your choice from kills this Round.

    On tie, you get nothing.

    On lose, you reflect any kills this Round from your target back on the player who made them and burnout this upgrade level.


    Pokechu - Town Chatless Packager - The Smuggler

    On win, you get nothing.

    On tie, you package your target. That player is in a box outside of the game and cannot act but can be acted upon.

    On lose, you hide behind your target, outside of the game. If you would be targeted, they are targeted instead. If they would be killed, you both are killed.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win, you hide behind and package your target. That player is in a box outside of the game and cannot act but can be acted upon. You are hiding behind them in the box. If you would be targeted, they are targeted instead. If they would be killed, you both are killed.

    On tie or lose, you get nothing.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win, you hide behind and package your target. That player is in a box outside of the game and cannot act but can be acted upon. You are hiding behind them in the box. If you would be targeted, they are targeted instead. If they would be killed, you both are killed.

    On tie, you package your target. That player is in a box outside of the game and cannot act but can be acted upon.

    On lose, you get nothing.


    Highroller - Town Vigilante - The Decider

    On lose or tie, you get nothing.

    On win, you get a 1-shot Day Action that must target your target activated in thread by saying "Shoot: {playername}." You will have a 1 in 2 chance to attempt to kill your target.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win or tie, you get nothing.

    On lose, if your target is using a killing action, you attempt to kill them.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win, you burnout this upgrade level and get a 1-shot Day Action that must target your target activated in thread by saying "Shoot: {playername}." You will attempt to kill your target.

    On tie, you burnout this upgrade level and attempt to kill your target.

    On lose, you get nothing.


    Grapefruit21 - Town MMM - The Manipulator

    On win, you get nothing.

    On tie, you send your target a message of 70 characters or fewer.

    On lose, you send your target a message of 140 characters or fewer.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win, you send a dead player of your choice a message of 140 characters or fewer to which they may send one similarly-restricted message in response.

    On tie, you send a dead player of your target's choice a message of 140 characters or fewer to which they may send one similarly-restricted message in response.

    On lose, you get nothing.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win, you and your target each send the thread a message of 140 characters or fewer (posted by the mod).

    On win, you and your target each send the thread a message of 70 characters or fewer (posted by the mod).

    On lose, you get nothing.


    Gentleman Johnny - Mafia Chatless Alien - The Observer

    Whenever you successfully block a player's action, you learn that player's role.

    On win, you burnout this upgrade level.

    On tie, you get nothing.

    On lose, you prevent any actions your target would take.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win, you get nothing.

    On tie, you prevent any other actions that would target your target.

    On lose, you prevent any actions your target would take.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win, you prevent any other actions that would target your target and you prevent your target from taking actions. Once per game, you may kill your target as part of this action.

    On tie, you prevent your target from taking actions.

    On lose, you get nothing.


    Rhand - Mafia Redirector - The Commander

    You win any matches against players of a lower level.

    No matter the result, you get nothing.

    Upgrades on win or tie to:

    On win, you redirect your target's actions to a single player of your choice.

    On tie, you downgrade.

    On lose, you redirect all actions that would target a player of your target's choice to your target.

    Upgrades on win to:

    On win, you redirect all actions this Night phase to your target.

    On tie, you choose another target player and redirect all actions that would target each of your original target and your new target to the opposite of those two players.

    On lose, you get nothing.

    Thoughts to come.

    (Oh, and Highroller loses two purple pony princess points for being impatient.)
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Day 2
    Day 2 Votecount

    ZeDorkSlipeur (3) - Rhand, Highroller, Gentleman Johnny
    Rhand (1) - ZeDorkSlipeur

    Not Voting: Grapefruit21
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [[Primer]] Norin the Wary - Heads I win, Tails you lose.
    Quote from lyonhaert »
    So your only cascade targets for casting Norin with Flamekin Herald out would be Mana Crypt, Mox Amber, Wheel of Fate, and the potential Mox Opal?


    All of which are probably worth it?
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on [[Primer]] Norin the Wary - Heads I win, Tails you lose.
    Quote from s0undfx »
    Thanks for that! Would you say in 2021 this would still hold its own in a tuned, high power casual group?


    Only if the player is strong enough (as has always been the case for Norin).
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on The 2020 MTGS Mafia Awards Thread
    Player Awards:

    Best Town Performance (Individual) - Lastwhisper, Voldemort's Throne Room
    Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Prophylaxis, Ever Changing Seasons
    Best 3rd Party Performance (Individual) - TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Voldemort's Throne Room
    Best Town Performance (Group) - Voldemort's Throne Room
    Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Token Power 4
    Best Town Player - Lastwhisper
    Best Mafia Player - Fulcrum
    Best Overall Player - Killjoy
    Best Newcomer - Slothful
    Most Entertaining Player - Rhand
    Most Improved Player - Killjoy

    Mod Awards:

    Best Design - Ever-Changing Seasons
    Best Flavor - Matter Mafia
    Best Role - The Sarcophagus
    Best Read - Snow White
    Game of the Year - Snow White

    Quote from ZeDorkSlipeur »
    Also, who is actually new among the newcomers? (As in, didn't play forum Mafia at all until this year?)


    Newest on that list is Trisscar, I think?
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [[Primer]] Norin the Wary - Heads I win, Tails you lose.
    Quote from s0undfx »
    Hi osie, what does your deck look like now? How does this deck stack up nowadays to say a high power casual group? I haven't touched this deck since around 2015 with a gobin focused build, and I'm thinking of updating it.


    I have yet to pick up the Commander Legends cards. Flamekin Herald is exciting.

    I don't get to play very often any more; I'd love to have more opportunities to play via webcam...

    Current Decklist:

    DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
    General (1):
    1 Norin the Wary

    Creatures (24):
    1 Goblin Welder
    1 Goblin Engineer
    1 Iron Myr
    1 Kari Zev, Skyship Raider
    1 Smuggler's Copter
    1 Feldon of the Third Path
    1 Gadrak, the Crown-Scourge
    1 Grinning Ignus
    1 Imperial Recruiter
    1 Magus of the Moon
    1 Squee, Goblin Nabob
    1 Squee, the Immortal
    1 Hellrider
    1 Leyline Tyrant
    1 Ogre Battledriver
    1 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
    1 Purphoros, God of the Forge
    1 Solemn Simulacrum
    1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
    1 Siege-Gang Commander
    1 Terror of the Peaks
    1 Zealous Conscripts
    1 Moraug, Fury of Akoum
    1 Myr Battlesphere

    Artifacts (20):
    1 Mana Crypt
    1 Mox Amber
    1 Relic of Progenitus
    1 Sensei's Divining TOp
    1 Skullclamp
    1 Sol Ring
    1 Springleaf Drum
    1 Genesis Chamber
    1 Mind Stone
    1 Cloudstone Curio
    1 Crucible of Worlds
    1 Honor-Worn Shaku
    1 Inspiring Statuary
    1 Skyclave Relic
    1 Gauntlet of Might
    1 Panharmonicon
    1 Trading Post
    1 Forsaken Monument
    1 Gauntlet of Power
    1 Memory Jar

    Enchantments (7):
    1 Goblin Bombardment
    1 Impact Tremors
    1 Underworld Breach
    1 Blood Moon
    1 Valakut Exploration
    1 Flameshadow Conjuring
    1 Confusion in the Ranks

    Planeswalkers (5):
    1 Chandra, Acolyte of Flame
    1 Chandra, Fire Artisan
    1 Daretti, Scrap Savant
    1 Ugin, the Ineffable
    1 Karn Liberated

    Instants (1):
    1 Chaos Warp

    Sorceries (8):
    1 Wheel of Fate
    1 Faithless Looting
    1 Gamble
    1 Shattering Spree
    1 Tempt with Vengeance
    1 Vandalblast
    1 Wheel of Fortune
    1 Blasphemous Act

    Lands (34):
    1 Arid Mesa
    1 Bloodstained Mire
    1 Buried Ruin
    1 Cavern of Souls
    1 Field of the Dead
    1 Flamekin Village
    1 Ghost Quarter
    1 Haunted Fengraf
    1 High Market
    1 Inventors' Fair
    1 Kher Keep
    1 Prismatic Vista
    1 Scalding Tarn
    1 Scavenger Grounds
    15 Snow-Covered Mountain
    1 Strip Mine
    1 Tectonic Edge
    1 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
    1 Wasteland
    1 Wooded Foothills



    Need to get Rings of Brighthearth back in the deck for realsies just because it's SO good. Also, want to increase my creature count again, by 1-2 slots.

    Planning to pick up Flamekin Herald and probably Toggo, Goblin Weaponsmith, along with Tome of Legends and Mox Opal.

    Probably cutting Field of the Dead for a Snow-Covered Mountain.

    On the shortlist to consider cutting:



    Feldon always feels a little slow for me. Gadrak is not as exciting as I hoped. Relic is less necessary with Scavenger Grounds in the deck. Mind Stone is the least likely of these to disappear, but is a consideration I've had in the past. Gauntlet of Power just feels not very helpful when it comes up given the usefulness of the other two nowadays. Flameshadow Conjuring is very win-more in my experience with it.

    I've had a bit of mana irregularity from the last games I remember, so I may ponder some fixes for that, particularly involving damage or draw.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Day 2
    Day 2 Start

    Sorry for the delay; had an interview at just the wrong time.

    Wisp has died during the Night. They were the Town Protective ("The Angel of Death").

    Day 2 Kick Deadline will be 5:00 PM PST on January 10th, 2021. The Deadline applies whether or not I am there to process it.

    With 5 players, it takes 3 to Kick.

    It is now KyLO.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Day 2
    Night 1 Start


    Pokechu (4) - ZeDorkSlipeur, Rhand, Gentleman Johnny, LastWhisper
    Gentleman Johnny (1) - Pokechu
    ZeDorkSlipeur (1) - Highroller

    Not Voting: Grapefruit21

    Pokechu has been kicked. They were the Town Chatless Packager ("The Smuggler")

    It is now Night. Do not post!
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Day 2
    Votecount 1.1

    I am the walrus.


    Pokechu (3) - ZeDorkSlipeur, Rhand, Gentleman Johnny
    Gentleman Johnny (2) - Lastwhisper, Pokechu
    ZeDorkSlipeur (1) - Highroller

    Not Voting: Grapefruit21

    Roughly 9 hours remain.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Day 2
    Day 1 Start

    Day 1 Elimination Deadline will be 10:30 AM PST on Sunday, January 3rd. Extra time is to account for New Year's. I will not do an activity check for New Year's Eve, but I will do one for New Year's Day. Blah blah blah, be good to each other and have fun, ya-di-ya-di-ya.

    With 7 players, it takes 4 to eliminate by majority.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on The Portal Storm: Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed Combo-Control
    Quote from d0rsal »
    i think you mite want to reconsider ur zendikar rising review, it gave you an out to a resolved rest in peace or leyline of the void, in feed the swarm + it also doubles as creature removal if you needed it. also you mite consider agadeem, the undercrypt, its a land if you need it to be & a spell for late game shenanigans.

    also, not sure how up to date the list is on page 1 of the thread, but wouldnt hero's downfall be better than dismember? you've already got a few -x/-x effects w/ mutilate & toxic deluge & being able to hit planeswalkers is nice. besides, how often are you really needing to kill a creature in the 1st cpl of turns before you actually have the mana to cast dismember w/o losing life & @ that pt, you could just spend the 3 mana & cast hero's downfall.


    Feed the Swarm is not a bad idea, actually. I'd at least consider it. Agadeem's Awakening is pretty bad, otherwise I would consider it a bit more.

    I've sometimes run Hero's Downfall, but one of my main focuses is keeping the mana curve tight, so Dismember works out a bit better as spot removal. I'm much less worried about the life, so Dismember is usually effectively just 1 mana for "Destroy target creature." That said, Hero's Downfall might replace The Elderspell again if I have yet to sub that out since I'm no longer playing against a planeswalker deck a lot of the time.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia Signups | 7/7
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »
    wasn't enough to assuage or prevent you from bullying Osie into kicking me out preemptively.


    I wasn't bullied into anything. I considered a decision for the week or so you've been signed up and talked with a few different people about it. When it came down to it, several members of the community between players, replacements, and others communicated to me that they were not comfortable with you. Once it came down to potentially replacing people out, I asked several people whose opinions I trust both inside and outside this community and considered for a while before coming to the conclusion that it was better to remove you rather than take the risk with this particular game. That was my choice as the host.

    That is all.
    Posted in: Old Sign-ups
  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Day 2
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    Shoushiling (手勢令) Mafia
    .

    (Image credit goes to Dave Watland)
    A Closed Blind Role Madness Micro Game by Osieorb18.
    A Spiritual Successor to Janken and Rock-Paper-Scissors.
    Reviewed by DV and Togs.

    General Rules:
    1. Be excellent to each other.
    2. Post at least 2 posts in the thread per 24 hours during Day phases, and at least 2 posts in any chats you are in per 24 hours during Night phases.
    3. If you damage the continuation of the game, you damage your own continuation as a part of the game. (Be it through toxicity, inactivity, OGI, or other game sanctity issues.)
    4. Don't make me make more rules.

    Game-Specific Rules:
    1. Scissors cuts paper
    2. Rock crushes scissors.
    3. Paper covers rock.
    4. Each player chooses rock, paper, or scissors each night, and may target another player. Players may not self-target unless their role states otherwise.
    5. If you submit actions in the last six hours of the night phase, your submission may be summarily ignored.
    6. Players learn their alignment and a hint word but not their role or abilities.
    7. Mafia may talk in the Factional Chat during the Day phase.
    8. Phases are 5-day Days and 2-day Nights. There's 7 of you, that should be more than enough time for 4 people to converge on a majority vote.

    1, 2, 3... (/in or Join: Username):
    1. Gentleman Johnny
    2. Highroller
    3. Pokechu
    4. Rhand
    5. ZeDorkSlipeur
    6. Grapefruit21
    7. Lastwhisper
    Posted in: Mafia
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