I'm not seeing either Gideon, Thopter or Felidar. The last two I'm not surprised but why is Gideon missing? Considered too strong still? Even for Historic?
any gimmick to sell this flaming trash pile of a set i suppose.
would've been nice if they put effort into it to sell it on its own merit, and included relevant reprints in it as normal, dedicating more effort to balancing standard where necessary but sure i guess lets go with a gimmick instead
its a nice list... but its also a real *****ty list with no real theme or cohesion to anything. you can get an absurdly priced scroll rack, or you know, argothian scion. so we get a reduced chance to pull something from the list, and then an even further reduced chance to pull something of meaningful value from the list on top of that.
gotta keep them gambling away their dollars.
i'm just so absolutely over this FOMO gambling bull*****.
one of the rare times i will agree with a poster on this board.
This set is incredibly bad. BUT I think this is really really good for magic. We've reached a point where the power level was too high and needed to be reset (for standard at least). So it's just growing pains and I'm glad it finally happened.
Also any additional bonus from buying this thing is welcomed. Sure, you are unlikely to get anything good but at least there's a chance.
Also I would think the expeditions are what was added to sell the set more than anything else.
Okay that's great. That's marvel. That's not wizards, and that's not magic.
Though magic already has $100 boosters and a large portion of the playerbase is vocally opposed to that practice already.
At best this thread is baseless speculation done in an inflammatory way, at worst... well we'll see.
Although i'm with you on being opposed to the 100$ booster crap (it's going down a dark rabbit hole...) this stuff is selling like mad. So we've given them reason to do it and to keep pushing the envelope. Because people can't make a stand on anything it seems.
I'm quite shocked and disappointed to say the least because I ordered the artifact Secret Lair x4 which hasn't even been shipped out yet, and now I can't even use the cards!
WTF Wizards?
What kind of scandalous bait and switch is that?
Do you like intentionally upsetting your own paying consumers?
Step 1: Design pushed competitive game pieces
Step 2: Design obvious combo piece to synergize with and improve competitive recently printed game piece
Step 3: Sell premium alternate art copies of said cards directly to the consumer at a mark-up for people who may have missed them the first time around
Step 4: Ban them so players who haven't even received their reprint shipments yet can't even use them in the formats they were intended for.
Really?
Can anyone explain the logic behind this process?
Can combo decks only exist in vintage without players getting upset when they lose to them?
I specifically ordered that lair because I didn't have walking ballistas or arcbound ravagers (I couldn't care less about darksteel colossus which I was planning to sell immediately), but now I feel like a sucker who paid a premium for nothing, and I don't even have my order yet! Unbelievable! Is the combo even viable in modern? Seems way too slow, and I certainly don't need ballistas for commander. I had bett4r open some sweet stained glass window walkers in those lairs to make up the loss or I'll never take the bait for one of these overpriced special edition products again!
WotC spoke before about the ballista/heliod combo and how they were watching it. That alone should have given you the sign that ballista was on the chopping block eventually. I think you'd need to be a bit silly to think that they'd never ban it in Pioneer. You can still play it in modern/legacy though.
As for who was talking about Legacy...Legacy has NOT been healthy for quite a long time. They finally got around to banning astrolabe though. But I assure you that Legacy is not fine. Oko is a huge problem still. The only reason why you think that legacy is doing "ok" is because it's barely played on any level of competition.
The more i see of this the more it's become obvious that this set was a mishmash of rejected EDH reprints and whatever was left over from an angry nerds meeting.
And they are charging over 100$ for some packs. If I didn't think Hasbro was laughing at us suckers before, I sure do so now.
Why on earth did you preorder, it‘s been the same with those sets for years now.
Especially ridiculous given the pricetag of those boxes...
Well with the few leaked cards I thought it looked good. Plus the last masters set i cracked quite a few boxes off and was pretty happy with it. This though...I should have known since it wasn't targeted specifically at Modern...(even though it almost seemed like it with the advertising).
I'm waiting for the cycle of the Kami Gods getting a reprint here now at Mythic lol
So guys/girls....this is probably a dumb question but double masters...is this all modern legal cards? Like...is Exploration now modern legal? If that's the case, that alone gives me a reason to play garbage fire modern...
This was my point too, it would suck to open a $16 pack and get a $3 rare or mythic. It would also suck even more to buy a $300-$400 box and find out all your rares and mythic amount to about $150-$180.
I mean if you buy a standard box for $110 and you get $60 worth of rares/mythic it already feels pretty bad, but imagine buying something 3 times as much, the feeling should be 3 times as strong. I mean if there is only one $100 card in the set and the rest are $50 or less in value then it'll be hard to justify the price of the box at $300 unless you can get 6 of those $50 cards in the box whether they may be rares/mythics/foils or whatever.
It's like buying a Collector's pack for $20 and when you open it you get $8 worth of cards in value, or even $10, it feels bad.
As someone who bought an Iconic Masters pack and pulled Channel, let me tell you - it sucks.
Just want to point out that you can do so much worse. Go check out Alpha Investments opening videos. Recently there's one where someone threw money in the trash by buying a box. That product was such a joke AND a rip off at the same time.
quite an ironic necro-thread, if you think about it.
I get what you're trying to say, but this word does not mean what you think it means.
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The necro-ing of this thread has more in common with dad jokes than irony.
You sure about that?
I'm not seeing either Gideon, Thopter or Felidar. The last two I'm not surprised but why is Gideon missing? Considered too strong still? Even for Historic?
It would be madness if someone went so far out of their way to create this for absolutely no value whatsoever.
one of the rare times i will agree with a poster on this board.
This set is incredibly bad. BUT I think this is really really good for magic. We've reached a point where the power level was too high and needed to be reset (for standard at least). So it's just growing pains and I'm glad it finally happened.
Also any additional bonus from buying this thing is welcomed. Sure, you are unlikely to get anything good but at least there's a chance.
Also I would think the expeditions are what was added to sell the set more than anything else.
Although i'm with you on being opposed to the 100$ booster crap (it's going down a dark rabbit hole...) this stuff is selling like mad. So we've given them reason to do it and to keep pushing the envelope. Because people can't make a stand on anything it seems.
WotC spoke before about the ballista/heliod combo and how they were watching it. That alone should have given you the sign that ballista was on the chopping block eventually. I think you'd need to be a bit silly to think that they'd never ban it in Pioneer. You can still play it in modern/legacy though.
As for who was talking about Legacy...Legacy has NOT been healthy for quite a long time. They finally got around to banning astrolabe though. But I assure you that Legacy is not fine. Oko is a huge problem still. The only reason why you think that legacy is doing "ok" is because it's barely played on any level of competition.
And they are charging over 100$ for some packs. If I didn't think Hasbro was laughing at us suckers before, I sure do so now.
Well with the few leaked cards I thought it looked good. Plus the last masters set i cracked quite a few boxes off and was pretty happy with it. This though...I should have known since it wasn't targeted specifically at Modern...(even though it almost seemed like it with the advertising).
I'm waiting for the cycle of the Kami Gods getting a reprint here now at Mythic lol
And with so many of them, you're guaranteed to hit half your box full of complete garbage. What a sham.
Well when you wake up tomorrow, you'll have cards to wake up to! it's the same for me, it's 9:57PM, Monday right now. Not so in the states...
That feels really underwhelming...maybe those lands will be super sick...
Just want to point out that you can do so much worse. Go check out Alpha Investments opening videos. Recently there's one where someone threw money in the trash by buying a box. That product was such a joke AND a rip off at the same time.
I get what you're trying to say, but this word does not mean what you think it means.
ironic[ ahy-ron-ik ]SHOW IPA
SEE SYNONYMS FOR ironic ON THESAURUS.COM
adjective
using words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning; containing or exemplifying irony:
The necro-ing of this thread has more in common with dad jokes than irony.