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  • posted a message on Major changes to Magic announced at SDCC? (New booster variants and premium styles)
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    20 bucks a booster pack is absolutely absurd, even if they do come with cool extended art cards or whatever. it's just too much money. I'd be much more onboard with it if they were cheaper, but as it is I don't like it.



    huh? this is the weirdest thing i read so far.

    400 000 dollars for a house? that's way too expensive! if it were cheaper id buy one.

    20 000 for a new car? that's way too expensive! if it were cheaper, id buy one.

    20 dollars for a hobby you're in no way obligated to spend money for (in any capacity)? ya let's complain about the real problems...

    cmon dude. this doesnt impede on your ability to buy regular product or even play the game.

    you post comes across incredibly whinny and self entitled.
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  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
    This site still works, for some reason so I will provide an update.

    I played Neoform once over the weekend in an event. This is how G1 went:

    I turned 2 blood moon, then blew up one of his 2 lands. Next Game.
    He went off on T1, but actually messed up the combo and...lost.

    We played a few more times and he pulled off the combo only once on T1. My opp seemed convince that something needs to be banned from that deck as it was super consistent for him otherwise (but variance didn't work out for him in our match).

    What's everyone else's experience against or win Neoform? I can't imagine it gets nerfed but i could be wrong since the London Mulligan really benefits it.
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  • posted a message on Commander July 8th Banlist Update
    The Iona ban is absolutely ridiculous. She's so innocuous I was laughing when I read the announcement. I still think Paradox Engine is fine and shouldn't be banned, but at least that card *was* legit broken if you're that kind of player. Banning Iona is just a sign to me that the rules committee has completely lost touch.

    One vote of no confidence from me. I think Wizards should take the reins and come up with a ban list that makes at least a *little* bit of sense.


    You should take a read on Sheldon's article on SCG.

    Iona promotes exactly the kind of game play that the RC wants gone. Pengine is by far the worst offender on this list and that card lived on time borrowed out of the gate.

    A lot of people seem to be confused about what the RC actually does.
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  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
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    If you honestly think Modern is just those three decks, I no longer believe you play Modern.


    ah see, there's the illusion of diversity when in fact, there really isn't. all you have to do is look at all the last paper tourneys to see this. modern has never been diverse. it's always been about doing the most degenerate thing possible without giving your opp the chance too interact. that's Modern.

    I saw way too many Humans and UW Control decks in paper tournament Top 8 results this month.

    You may want to check www.tcdecks.net, especially its "Metagame of Last Month" section; a clear majority of the Modern results it gets are from paper tournaments.

    For the record, I only remember Eldrazi Tron spiking within the last few days in MTGO results; it wasn't so hot in the early Hogaak days, from my recollection.


    What I'm trying to get at is to say that Modern is genuinely NOT as diverse as people want to think it is. There was an article not too long ago that discussed this very facet (cannot recall who had written it but I think it might have been Ari Lax). Cards like faithless looting are an issue because it tends to homogenize archetypes (as it's clearly one of - if not- the most powerful thing you can do in modern). A healthy and varied format would contain aggro, midrange, control decks. What we are seeing are mostly just combo decks that ignore entirely what their opponents are doing.

    Ok we have UW control, Burn and Jund. Those are 3 decks representing the major archetypes. However, when you look at the decklists that are consistently winning, these are not the decks (deck types) that represent the format. What you see are decks that look at minimizing the interaction and ensuring that their opponents have virtually no windows to respond. This in turn makes the games more much like a coin toss (going first is significantly better in modern, to the point of being the difference between a win and a loss). Cards like blood moon, chalice of the void, rest in peace etc create a non-zero number of non-games. These tend to be the cards most represented.

    In addition to that, pros also agree with me that looting is a card that will need to be banned (at some point in the future). It's not like i'm talking out of my ass. It's the "subtle" glue that holds so many of these linear combo decks together.

    Faithless isn't the only card i'd like to see gone. But it would be a start.

    My mentions of Humans and UW Control doing well enough in this month's Hogaak meta were to counter this direct mention of yours:
    Quote from the n00b king »
    Modern IS only 3 decks:

    Tron (of the eldrazi variant)
    Phoenix
    Hoggaak

    I agree that the (Altar of) Hogaak (Bridgevine) deck was pushing down deck diversity, but your mention that Eldrazi Tron was one of the most prominent decks in the Hogaak meta, to the expense of others I do recall seeing in greater numbers such as Humans and UW Control, looked pretty wrong to me and led me to believe that you have a pretty skewed view of the meta. While www.tcdecks.net does not get the complete paper or MTGO metas into its database, it does get fairly close in my experience, and at least in its results collection (which is mostly of paper results), Eldrazi Tron has NOT been doing anywhere near as well in a Hogaak meta as you imply.


    part of the reason why you might not think so is due to the short amount of time the meta has existed as such. eldrazi tron would have eventually been more prominent because it's the best chalice of thees void deck. this is the card that matters most. now that hogaak has been nerfed, we will reclaim a bit of normalcy. from my observations, there are a lot of decks in modern, yes. but it's consistently the same type of deck that raises to the top.

    phoenix
    hogaak
    devastation druid
    eldrazi tron can pray on this meta because of chalice. not because it's a better deck.

    what do the 3 decks have in common? they are all uninteractive decks that seek to end the game by t3. THIS is a representation of modern. this format, in my opinion, sucks. how do u fix this?
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  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
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    No, you are wrong, and my position is backed by WotC NOT banning Looting. Sorry you have an incorrect understanding of the word "broken". Looting is not broken. Slowing down Modern is basically asking for Modern to become Standard. There are multiple decks in all 3 arches that can compete in Modern. That's format health.


    oh yes, and WOTC is never wrong.........

    Modern IS only 3 decks:

    Tron (of the eldrazi variant)
    Phoenix
    Hoggaak

    That's modern right now. Ya super healthy format! WOTC has been notorious in banning the wrong cards for years now. They are simply unwilling to ban the enablers. Remember Blood Braid? Ya that card was scary! While a little elf went on to wreck further havoc...


    If you honestly think Modern is just those three decks, I no longer believe you play Modern.


    ah see, there's the illusion of diversity when in fact, there really isn't. all you have to do is look at all the last paper tourneys to see this. modern has never been diverse. it's always been about doing the most degenerate thing possible without giving your opp the chance too interact. that's Modern.

    I saw way too many Humans and UW Control decks in paper tournament Top 8 results this month.

    You may want to check www.tcdecks.net, especially its "Metagame of Last Month" section; a clear majority of the Modern results it gets are from paper tournaments.

    For the record, I only remember Eldrazi Tron spiking within the last few days in MTGO results; it wasn't so hot in the early Hogaak days, from my recollection.


    What I'm trying to get at is to say that Modern is genuinely NOT as diverse as people want to think it is. There was an article not too long ago that discussed this very facet (cannot recall who had written it but I think it might have been Ari Lax). Cards like faithless looting are an issue because it tends to homogenize archetypes (as it's clearly one of - if not- the most powerful thing you can do in modern). A healthy and varied format would contain aggro, midrange, control decks. What we are seeing are mostly just combo decks that ignore entirely what their opponents are doing.

    Ok we have UW control, Burn and Jund. Those are 3 decks representing the major archetypes. However, when you look at the decklists that are consistently winning, these are not the decks (deck types) that represent the format. What you see are decks that look at minimizing the interaction and ensuring that their opponents have virtually no windows to respond. This in turn makes the games more much like a coin toss (going first is significantly better in modern, to the point of being the difference between a win and a loss). Cards like blood moon, chalice of the void, rest in peace etc create a non-zero number of non-games. These tend to be the cards most represented.

    In addition to that, pros also agree with me that looting is a card that will need to be banned (at some point in the future). It's not like i'm talking out of my ass. It's the "subtle" glue that holds so many of these linear combo decks together.

    Faithless isn't the only card i'd like to see gone. But it would be a start.
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  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
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    Looting is not a problem. It hasn't been a problem since it was printed. Stop asking for WotC to ban enabler cards. If you want a less powerful format go back to Standard.

    BFB being the only change is kind of weak. There are multiple cards that could come off the list. The most safe being SFM.


    you're 100% wrong on that. also wtf? i play all formats but vintage, don't tell me what to do. looting has been a major problem in modern for a long time. it enables too many stupid broken decks. getting rid of it would slow down Modern and give new life to the meta. if you can't see that, maybe you've never actually played Modern.


    No, you are wrong, and my position is backed by WotC NOT banning Looting. Sorry you have an incorrect understanding of the word "broken". Looting is not broken. Slowing down Modern is basically asking for Modern to become Standard. There are multiple decks in all 3 arches that can compete in Modern. That's format health.


    oh yes, and WOTC is never wrong.........

    Modern IS only 3 decks:

    Tron (of the eldrazi variant)
    Phoenix
    Hoggaak

    That's modern right now. Ya super healthy format! WOTC has been notorious in banning the wrong cards for years now. They are simply unwilling to ban the enablers. Remember Blood Braid? Ya that card was scary! While a little elf went on to wreck further havoc...


    If you honestly think Modern is just those three decks, I no longer believe you play Modern.


    ah see, there's the illusion of diversity when in fact, there really isn't. all you have to do is look at all the last paper tourneys to see this. modern has never been diverse. it's always been about doing the most degenerate thing possible without giving your opp the chance too interact. that's Modern.
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  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
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    not surprising. it's not a magic card. but i think that they missed big time on banning looting. that card is horrendous. and good opp to let stoneforge out but ya... too strong apparently.


    Looting is not a problem. It hasn't been a problem since it was printed. Stop asking for WotC to ban enabler cards. If you want a less powerful format go back to Standard.

    BFB being the only change is kind of weak. There are multiple cards that could come off the list. The most safe being SFM.


    you're 100% wrong on that. also wtf? i play all formats but vintage, don't tell me what to do. looting has been a major problem in modern for a long time. it enables too many stupid broken decks. getting rid of it would slow down Modern and give new life to the meta. if you can't see that, maybe you've never actually played Modern.


    No, you are wrong, and my position is backed by WotC NOT banning Looting. Sorry you have an incorrect understanding of the word "broken". Looting is not broken. Slowing down Modern is basically asking for Modern to become Standard. There are multiple decks in all 3 arches that can compete in Modern. That's format health.


    oh yes, and WOTC is never wrong.........

    Modern IS only 3 decks:

    Tron (of the eldrazi variant)
    Phoenix
    Hoggaak

    That's modern right now. Ya super healthy format! WOTC has been notorious in banning the wrong cards for years now. They are simply unwilling to ban the enablers. Remember Blood Braid? Ya that card was scary! While a little elf went on to wreck further havoc...
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  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
    Quote from the n00b king »
    not surprising. it's not a magic card. but i think that they missed big time on banning looting. that card is horrendous. and good opp to let stoneforge out but ya... too strong apparently.


    Looting is not a problem. It hasn't been a problem since it was printed. Stop asking for WotC to ban enabler cards. If you want a less powerful format go back to Standard.

    BFB being the only change is kind of weak. There are multiple cards that could come off the list. The most safe being SFM.


    you're 100% wrong on that. also wtf? i play all formats but vintage, don't tell me what to do. looting has been a major problem in modern for a long time. it enables too many stupid broken decks. getting rid of it would slow down Modern and give new life to the meta. if you can't see that, maybe you've never actually played Modern.
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  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
    not surprising. it's not a magic card. but i think that they missed big time on banning looting. that card is horrendous. and good opp to let stoneforge out but ya... too strong apparently.
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  • posted a message on Mystic Forge - Eternal Central
    The format this is most playable in is legacy.

    Having access to artifact cost reductions such as helm of awakening[ to reduce the overall cost of the deck, plus all the moxens, it should be fairly easy to push through the deck really quickly.

    With that said, it seems like it's powerful, but I don't think it's THAT great. Not being able to play non-colorless spells is a bit of a drawback. Granted, we have the void keyword, which lets you play cards that are technically colored. So keep that in mind, you're not entirely locked out of playing colored spells.
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  • posted a message on Mu Yianling, Sky Dancer NGA preview
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    Making a 4/4 flier on T4 is simply not good enough right now. If it was, Phoenix would see a LOT more play.

    What a silly thing to say. By the same logic you could argue that Nissa, Who Shakes the World is bad, because "making a 3/3 on turn 5 is not good enough". Clearly, there is great value in making a creature while leaving a planeswalker behind.


    Apples and oranges.

    Nissa can make a 3/3 EVERY turn (which is clearly a lot better than 1 4/4 - maybe). Plus she doubles your mana.

    Try again.

    I stand pat when I say making a 4/4 (and nothing else) is bad in Standard and the format as is clearly agrees with me. Othewise we'd see more Rekindling Phoenix in Standard.

    Here's another list of 4 drop creatures that are great that see ZERO, or close to it, competitive play:



    And here's some examples of cards that are seeing play



    Notice a pattern? If a card like Rekindling Phoenix can barely see any play, how can a 4/4 French Vanilla that you can *maybe* create on T4 has any chance of being any good? The card would actually be decent if you could immediately minus her and create that same creature on T3. Or that it would cost 2 in loyalty instead of 3, so that you could activate it twice after the plus.

    As it stands, this thing is so incredibly under powered compared to everything else in the format that I can't conceive any reason why you'd consider playing this in your deck if you wanted to win an MCQ.

    Let's call a spade a spade. This card is a dud and that's ok. Not all mythics can be crazy flashy things. Once in a while, blue's gotta swing and miss too (can't always be red that sucks).
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  • posted a message on Gargos, Vicious Warden and Cavalier of Squall (storms?)
    I don't get the cycle of these cavaliers. The blue one is clearly the best (not even close). Both of these are surprisingly good cards.
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  • posted a message on Cavalier of Thorns (Giga.de spoiler)
    I'm not sure why the death trigger is so weak. I mean how much more powerful would putting the card in your hand be? This feels like a huge miss here Frown
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  • posted a message on Mu Yianling, Sky Dancer NGA preview
    Ok, I want to be clear about something.

    I truly believe this card is unplayable if your intentions are to be a competitive standard player. As someone else mentioned, lots of good cards are unplayable in the current format.

    - I don't believe that proliferate is good enough in Standard (even though there are great enablers)
    - Standard is not a format about durdling in the slightest. When you have T3 Nissas, 6-7 power on red creatures or a a walker+ranger, a 3 mana "basically" do nothing is not where you want to be
    - I can't think of a scenario where you'd rather drop this over Narset. Either way, if there's pressure on the board, you'll lose the walker. The difference with narset vs Mu is that with one, you're not down a card.

    Now with that said, i'm not the most diplomatic person in the world. I got a little aggressive because time and time again folks reiterate magical christmas land scenarios for competitive formats. Is this card awesome in your 4 color bird deck in EDH? Ok, sure. Great. But you can't get all up in arms when I provide basis for my argument to refute your belief that this card is competitively playable.

    Making a 4/4 flier on T4 is simply not good enough right now. If it was, Phoenix would see a LOT more play.

    I'm only making my observations based on the current standard format. Like someone mentioned previously, there doesn't appear to be anything that's been revealed that would throw the format on its head.

    The thing is, I completely disagree with the statement 'we can't evaluate this in the current standard format because we haven't played with the cards yet'. I think that's just plain wrong.
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  • posted a message on Mu Yianling, Sky Dancer NGA preview
    Quote from Buffsam89 »
    Additionally, I'm not sure why it's an issue to express an opinion to what appears to be the popular opinion? I provide reasons why i think this card is bad and what to be shown scenarios (applicable ones) where it is good and no one has done this. No one has shown me an existing deck that wants to play this that is better than anything else they can play in that spot.

    Is this a site where we can have meaningful discussions or just be fan boys that can't handle constructive criticism?


    What discussions can be had when the card is labeled “literally unplayable”? Because at that point it is not a discussion, you just want people to agree with you because there is nowhere to go with the discussion.

    And “constructive criticism”? Lol that’s what this-
    i mean this in the nicest way possible but the majority of you are quite terrible at evaluating cards.
    -is? First off, you may need to brush up on what constructive criticism actually is, because that is certainly not what you’ve demonstrated through this thread. What’s wrong with fanboys? They can like the card. They’ll play the card, maybe even have it in a FNM winning deck, at that point it makes all that “unplayable” nonsense you’ve been spewing look pretty stupid.

    I mean this the nicest way possible, but you come off as an arrogant dick that probably prefers the sound of their own voice over anything else.


    magic players are generally bad at evaluating cards. this is not an insult, it's simply true. this is why there's always cards that slip everyone's radar.

    i gave plenty of reasons why this card is unplayable in the current format. it just is. mono red is not even the boogeyman anymore.

    if you think I'm being a dick about my point of view... well maybe you need to get your panties out of that knot i tied.

    but ok.
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