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  • posted a message on Aaron Forsythe: [A]t this point, Vintage and Legacy are managed ~100% for the people that do play it.
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    I'd frankly be 200% okay with the value of my duals, forces, and other "staples" taking hits if it meant more people were in the format I loved.

    I'll be playing it anyways because it's simply the format I enjoy the most, but I definitely miss the days of people dropping into the old development threads almost on a daily basis, looking for where to get started and how.

    I see WoTC's stance towards Legacy very similar to how Nintendo views the competitive Super Smash Bros. Melee Scene; indifferent. But 18 years after its release, the game still has a vibrant and huge competitive scene, because the community just didn't care that we didn't have official support. We just played the game and ran our own tournaments and even with the rise of the "eSports"-era that started within the past 3-4 years, there are still community-run events that regularly draw several hundred entrants and international competitors.

    Obviously it's not a perfect parallel, as the physical means to play Legacy are a finite resource, whereas the Melee community still gets new controllers and such. But it still just comes down to a question of just playing what you love.


    I own a mint Black Lotus, and I wouldn't be remotely worried about the card taking a hit. On the contrary I can only see it rising in value because the game would be far more exposed to millions of casual players who would see why the card is the holy grail of Magic. Legacy is by far the most challenging format the game has to offer. It has insanely powerful decks in the most extensive meta with limitless deck building strategy, and it's pretty straight forward so that it doesn't require proxies. Players don't mind paying up for cards like Wasteland because they usually fit in certain type of decks with very specific trategies. But when it comes to dual lands, 100% of all multicolored decks need them. Without the dual lands, there is no Legacy. I can't think of a reason why WotC wouldn't want to reprint those lands as mythic rares and open the floodgates for millions of younger players who are dying to play the format.


    I thought about this for a minute. Yes, reprinting duals *could* potentially attract more players to Legacy (if you ONLY reprint the duals, that is). And the more I think about it, the less I think it's viable. The reason for that is that if you reprint the duals (let's exclude the idea that if you're willing to print these, then others will ask why not the rest? eventually) and it does bring new blood into the game, what do you think happens to all the staples that are on the reserve list? They explode in value and make it even LESS accessible. Although it would be sweet to get new card frame duals, it will never resolve the problem of scarcity. Legacy is a format that is doomed at the competitive level. SCG will have their "special events" be legacy and those will be like a sideshow, a "once, we played magic like this" kind of thing. It'll become a bit of a gimmick. Magic has moved on from this 'old man'.

    At this point, if you wanna play legacy, you have to rely on your local community or...Japan.
    Posted in: Legacy (Type 1.5)
  • posted a message on Pioneer Banned List Speculation
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    Emrakul and Aetherworks Marvel is still alive I see


    It's done no damage whatsoever.
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    Quote from Izor »
    If I'm not mistaken Thoughtseize will be the only tier 1 non-creature spell from Modern and Legacy that's legal in this format.

    Actually, I'll go over the colors real quick looking for what they lost and kept compared to Modern and Legacy.

    Red has lost probably the top 3-5 spells (Bolt, Looting, Chain Lightning, Forked Bolt, etc). We're literally talking Shock / Incinerate level now.

    Blue has lost all existing cantrips as well as Jace, Delver and Snapcaster.

    Green has lost its top 3-4 mana dorks and its top 3 tutors (GSZ, NO, Chord), only leaving Company behind. They also lost Goyf.

    White has lost Path and Swords as well as SFM, which is already all the cards that ever made this color playable in eternal formats.


    Yeah, I think I'd start brewing with black first... I think WotC will end up regretting reprinting TSeize in Theros. It's on paper the best spell in the format by a mile.


    this will be there formats flagship card. it will also help keep a lot of stupid stuff in check. or maybe I'm wrong and it'll be one of the first cards banned. imo rest in peace will be the second most important card in the format.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Prismatic Vista
    Quote from Vedran999 »
    Budget card they said. 30 euros now. Do you think price for it will still go up?


    Yes. Once MH1 dries up (by December, I believe) all the lands will start to rise in value. I think the cap for this one is around 50$. I would also expect that almost every single card will start to rise once in 2020. MH1 has such a massive impact on eternal formats it's really not smart to underestimate it.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [C19] Gerrard, Weatherlight Hero and a new scarecrow.
    Quote from Singe »
    Aura of Dominion on Scaretiller for U. Otherwise works with loot/rummage effects like Skeleton Key.

    Just equip Scaretiller with Skeleton Key and play him in decks using the "assigns combat damage equal to its toughness rather than its power" support.


    Even better:

    Paradise Mantle+Freed from the Real

    Play all the lands in your hand and graveyard.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Major changes to Magic announced at SDCC? (New booster variants and premium styles)
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    20 bucks a booster pack is absolutely absurd, even if they do come with cool extended art cards or whatever. it's just too much money. I'd be much more onboard with it if they were cheaper, but as it is I don't like it.



    huh? this is the weirdest thing i read so far.

    400 000 dollars for a house? that's way too expensive! if it were cheaper id buy one.

    20 000 for a new car? that's way too expensive! if it were cheaper, id buy one.

    20 dollars for a hobby you're in no way obligated to spend money for (in any capacity)? ya let's complain about the real problems...

    cmon dude. this doesnt impede on your ability to buy regular product or even play the game.

    you post comes across incredibly whinny and self entitled.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
    This site still works, for some reason so I will provide an update.

    I played Neoform once over the weekend in an event. This is how G1 went:

    I turned 2 blood moon, then blew up one of his 2 lands. Next Game.
    He went off on T1, but actually messed up the combo and...lost.

    We played a few more times and he pulled off the combo only once on T1. My opp seemed convince that something needs to be banned from that deck as it was super consistent for him otherwise (but variance didn't work out for him in our match).

    What's everyone else's experience against or win Neoform? I can't imagine it gets nerfed but i could be wrong since the London Mulligan really benefits it.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Commander July 8th Banlist Update
    The Iona ban is absolutely ridiculous. She's so innocuous I was laughing when I read the announcement. I still think Paradox Engine is fine and shouldn't be banned, but at least that card *was* legit broken if you're that kind of player. Banning Iona is just a sign to me that the rules committee has completely lost touch.

    One vote of no confidence from me. I think Wizards should take the reins and come up with a ban list that makes at least a *little* bit of sense.


    You should take a read on Sheldon's article on SCG.

    Iona promotes exactly the kind of game play that the RC wants gone. Pengine is by far the worst offender on this list and that card lived on time borrowed out of the gate.

    A lot of people seem to be confused about what the RC actually does.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
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    If you honestly think Modern is just those three decks, I no longer believe you play Modern.


    ah see, there's the illusion of diversity when in fact, there really isn't. all you have to do is look at all the last paper tourneys to see this. modern has never been diverse. it's always been about doing the most degenerate thing possible without giving your opp the chance too interact. that's Modern.

    I saw way too many Humans and UW Control decks in paper tournament Top 8 results this month.

    You may want to check www.tcdecks.net, especially its "Metagame of Last Month" section; a clear majority of the Modern results it gets are from paper tournaments.

    For the record, I only remember Eldrazi Tron spiking within the last few days in MTGO results; it wasn't so hot in the early Hogaak days, from my recollection.


    What I'm trying to get at is to say that Modern is genuinely NOT as diverse as people want to think it is. There was an article not too long ago that discussed this very facet (cannot recall who had written it but I think it might have been Ari Lax). Cards like faithless looting are an issue because it tends to homogenize archetypes (as it's clearly one of - if not- the most powerful thing you can do in modern). A healthy and varied format would contain aggro, midrange, control decks. What we are seeing are mostly just combo decks that ignore entirely what their opponents are doing.

    Ok we have UW control, Burn and Jund. Those are 3 decks representing the major archetypes. However, when you look at the decklists that are consistently winning, these are not the decks (deck types) that represent the format. What you see are decks that look at minimizing the interaction and ensuring that their opponents have virtually no windows to respond. This in turn makes the games more much like a coin toss (going first is significantly better in modern, to the point of being the difference between a win and a loss). Cards like blood moon, chalice of the void, rest in peace etc create a non-zero number of non-games. These tend to be the cards most represented.

    In addition to that, pros also agree with me that looting is a card that will need to be banned (at some point in the future). It's not like i'm talking out of my ass. It's the "subtle" glue that holds so many of these linear combo decks together.

    Faithless isn't the only card i'd like to see gone. But it would be a start.

    My mentions of Humans and UW Control doing well enough in this month's Hogaak meta were to counter this direct mention of yours:
    Quote from the n00b king »
    Modern IS only 3 decks:

    Tron (of the eldrazi variant)
    Phoenix
    Hoggaak

    I agree that the (Altar of) Hogaak (Bridgevine) deck was pushing down deck diversity, but your mention that Eldrazi Tron was one of the most prominent decks in the Hogaak meta, to the expense of others I do recall seeing in greater numbers such as Humans and UW Control, looked pretty wrong to me and led me to believe that you have a pretty skewed view of the meta. While www.tcdecks.net does not get the complete paper or MTGO metas into its database, it does get fairly close in my experience, and at least in its results collection (which is mostly of paper results), Eldrazi Tron has NOT been doing anywhere near as well in a Hogaak meta as you imply.


    part of the reason why you might not think so is due to the short amount of time the meta has existed as such. eldrazi tron would have eventually been more prominent because it's the best chalice of thees void deck. this is the card that matters most. now that hogaak has been nerfed, we will reclaim a bit of normalcy. from my observations, there are a lot of decks in modern, yes. but it's consistently the same type of deck that raises to the top.

    phoenix
    hogaak
    devastation druid
    eldrazi tron can pray on this meta because of chalice. not because it's a better deck.

    what do the 3 decks have in common? they are all uninteractive decks that seek to end the game by t3. THIS is a representation of modern. this format, in my opinion, sucks. how do u fix this?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
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    No, you are wrong, and my position is backed by WotC NOT banning Looting. Sorry you have an incorrect understanding of the word "broken". Looting is not broken. Slowing down Modern is basically asking for Modern to become Standard. There are multiple decks in all 3 arches that can compete in Modern. That's format health.


    oh yes, and WOTC is never wrong.........

    Modern IS only 3 decks:

    Tron (of the eldrazi variant)
    Phoenix
    Hoggaak

    That's modern right now. Ya super healthy format! WOTC has been notorious in banning the wrong cards for years now. They are simply unwilling to ban the enablers. Remember Blood Braid? Ya that card was scary! While a little elf went on to wreck further havoc...


    If you honestly think Modern is just those three decks, I no longer believe you play Modern.


    ah see, there's the illusion of diversity when in fact, there really isn't. all you have to do is look at all the last paper tourneys to see this. modern has never been diverse. it's always been about doing the most degenerate thing possible without giving your opp the chance too interact. that's Modern.

    I saw way too many Humans and UW Control decks in paper tournament Top 8 results this month.

    You may want to check www.tcdecks.net, especially its "Metagame of Last Month" section; a clear majority of the Modern results it gets are from paper tournaments.

    For the record, I only remember Eldrazi Tron spiking within the last few days in MTGO results; it wasn't so hot in the early Hogaak days, from my recollection.


    What I'm trying to get at is to say that Modern is genuinely NOT as diverse as people want to think it is. There was an article not too long ago that discussed this very facet (cannot recall who had written it but I think it might have been Ari Lax). Cards like faithless looting are an issue because it tends to homogenize archetypes (as it's clearly one of - if not- the most powerful thing you can do in modern). A healthy and varied format would contain aggro, midrange, control decks. What we are seeing are mostly just combo decks that ignore entirely what their opponents are doing.

    Ok we have UW control, Burn and Jund. Those are 3 decks representing the major archetypes. However, when you look at the decklists that are consistently winning, these are not the decks (deck types) that represent the format. What you see are decks that look at minimizing the interaction and ensuring that their opponents have virtually no windows to respond. This in turn makes the games more much like a coin toss (going first is significantly better in modern, to the point of being the difference between a win and a loss). Cards like blood moon, chalice of the void, rest in peace etc create a non-zero number of non-games. These tend to be the cards most represented.

    In addition to that, pros also agree with me that looting is a card that will need to be banned (at some point in the future). It's not like i'm talking out of my ass. It's the "subtle" glue that holds so many of these linear combo decks together.

    Faithless isn't the only card i'd like to see gone. But it would be a start.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
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    Looting is not a problem. It hasn't been a problem since it was printed. Stop asking for WotC to ban enabler cards. If you want a less powerful format go back to Standard.

    BFB being the only change is kind of weak. There are multiple cards that could come off the list. The most safe being SFM.


    you're 100% wrong on that. also wtf? i play all formats but vintage, don't tell me what to do. looting has been a major problem in modern for a long time. it enables too many stupid broken decks. getting rid of it would slow down Modern and give new life to the meta. if you can't see that, maybe you've never actually played Modern.


    No, you are wrong, and my position is backed by WotC NOT banning Looting. Sorry you have an incorrect understanding of the word "broken". Looting is not broken. Slowing down Modern is basically asking for Modern to become Standard. There are multiple decks in all 3 arches that can compete in Modern. That's format health.


    oh yes, and WOTC is never wrong.........

    Modern IS only 3 decks:

    Tron (of the eldrazi variant)
    Phoenix
    Hoggaak

    That's modern right now. Ya super healthy format! WOTC has been notorious in banning the wrong cards for years now. They are simply unwilling to ban the enablers. Remember Blood Braid? Ya that card was scary! While a little elf went on to wreck further havoc...


    If you honestly think Modern is just those three decks, I no longer believe you play Modern.


    ah see, there's the illusion of diversity when in fact, there really isn't. all you have to do is look at all the last paper tourneys to see this. modern has never been diverse. it's always been about doing the most degenerate thing possible without giving your opp the chance too interact. that's Modern.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
    Quote from the n00b king »
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    not surprising. it's not a magic card. but i think that they missed big time on banning looting. that card is horrendous. and good opp to let stoneforge out but ya... too strong apparently.


    Looting is not a problem. It hasn't been a problem since it was printed. Stop asking for WotC to ban enabler cards. If you want a less powerful format go back to Standard.

    BFB being the only change is kind of weak. There are multiple cards that could come off the list. The most safe being SFM.


    you're 100% wrong on that. also wtf? i play all formats but vintage, don't tell me what to do. looting has been a major problem in modern for a long time. it enables too many stupid broken decks. getting rid of it would slow down Modern and give new life to the meta. if you can't see that, maybe you've never actually played Modern.


    No, you are wrong, and my position is backed by WotC NOT banning Looting. Sorry you have an incorrect understanding of the word "broken". Looting is not broken. Slowing down Modern is basically asking for Modern to become Standard. There are multiple decks in all 3 arches that can compete in Modern. That's format health.


    oh yes, and WOTC is never wrong.........

    Modern IS only 3 decks:

    Tron (of the eldrazi variant)
    Phoenix
    Hoggaak

    That's modern right now. Ya super healthy format! WOTC has been notorious in banning the wrong cards for years now. They are simply unwilling to ban the enablers. Remember Blood Braid? Ya that card was scary! While a little elf went on to wreck further havoc...
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
    Quote from the n00b king »
    not surprising. it's not a magic card. but i think that they missed big time on banning looting. that card is horrendous. and good opp to let stoneforge out but ya... too strong apparently.


    Looting is not a problem. It hasn't been a problem since it was printed. Stop asking for WotC to ban enabler cards. If you want a less powerful format go back to Standard.

    BFB being the only change is kind of weak. There are multiple cards that could come off the list. The most safe being SFM.


    you're 100% wrong on that. also wtf? i play all formats but vintage, don't tell me what to do. looting has been a major problem in modern for a long time. it enables too many stupid broken decks. getting rid of it would slow down Modern and give new life to the meta. if you can't see that, maybe you've never actually played Modern.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 7/8 B&R Announcement - Bridge from Below banned in Modern
    not surprising. it's not a magic card. but i think that they missed big time on banning looting. that card is horrendous. and good opp to let stoneforge out but ya... too strong apparently.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Mystic Forge - Eternal Central
    The format this is most playable in is legacy.

    Having access to artifact cost reductions such as helm of awakening[ to reduce the overall cost of the deck, plus all the moxens, it should be fairly easy to push through the deck really quickly.

    With that said, it seems like it's powerful, but I don't think it's THAT great. Not being able to play non-colorless spells is a bit of a drawback. Granted, we have the void keyword, which lets you play cards that are technically colored. So keep that in mind, you're not entirely locked out of playing colored spells.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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