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  • posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    So aside from the list I put out, which I still think is still pretty good, I said Id put out a thalia version... but I keep thinking about doing it and then running away... because what deck do you do with thalia? Small with aggro beats and leverage thalias ability to mess up the opponent to speed your aggro?

    I can see that, its a low cmc, that messes with combo and removal... but then Im depriving myself from that 20 20 20 mix and missing burn...

    Or I can do value creature town and basically run the same build as the renegade, but with less burn. I already have thalias in that board, so its not really a big change.

    I dunno!
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    Probably not. I dont have MTGO or anything anymore, only physical cards.

    I think if you like you can swap choke for blood moon, but Id add a forest cut a horizon canopy for it
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Dredge
    I used to be the police here. You should be fine! Hope the discord works out!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    Nope! But bbelfibg into 5 damage seems dope. I think the issue with domain zoo is that if you want to use stuff like sideboard counters or discard, and snapcaster mage you shouldnt go bbelf. You probably go rhino instead.

    But you can probably be more aggressive. Maybe running might of alara sometime.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on The notion of a 'best deck' in the format and a new space for new Modern players
    I agree a lot of players seem too look for the best deck, or think there is a best deck. But I think its a mindset (mostly from standard) that SHOULDNT exist in modern. It takes the average player to say to new players or old players stuck in this mindset, that it isnt true.

    Modern has no best deck, but has trending decks. If you out time into mastering a deck, you will be successful.

    I personally do this, and I think most players do. It was pros who didn't; disliking the massive time sink modern testing is and how theres no "One deck to win. But time has shown the pros opinions HAVE been drowned out by average players who get that.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Which Jace, the Mind Sculptor shell is the most powerful?
    Quote from Spsiegel1987 »
    RUG seems too soft to non interactive decks. If you expect an entire room full of fair decks it's fantastic and buries you, but that just seems soft. You definitely need to hit a pairing lottery in long tournaments.

    UW Control seems most able to handle a variety of things. Field of Ruins and Spreading Seas is incredibly annoying if you're a three color deck.


    Zoo beats most control decks, but Ive beaten that one hard. Zoo is the fairest deck of them all, but I'm undefeated in my testing vs Rug jace. And with Dredge, but thats an unfair deck.

    Both are still to your point. both are pretty uninteractive. But one is fair uninteractive.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    Quote from SmauG »
    Quote from Lantern »



    Heres what I am running. Been working great. actually having a 50/50 matchup with Jund/k/rock, and Have only lost 1 round against all jace decks (midrange and control, around 30 or so control decks.)

    This deck does not lose to any removal decks really. Ive beaten pretty much all blood moon destroy lands decks too. Been over preforming. I think if you are going rallier, this is the best version you can run. I'll work on a thalia build next... though Atarkas command build is also pretty cool in my head.

    Voice and ooze 2-1 can be swapped, but not noticeable reason to do it in my testing. Probably can run bloodmoon too over choke. Theres just enough blue right now that its basically one sided blood moon. Id switch a horizon into a forest.

    Overall, the deck is super solid. Tier 2, 1.5? Not 1. Please take it out for a spin. Comment if you want any questions on this build answered. I'm about 100 rounds in now.


    Great to see you back in the Zoo again! Even more so that you like the list Smile Enabling Renegade Rallier the way this deck does feels so good! I'm actually very exited to play vs jund now. I know Grixis is a breeze, but we might need some tech v.s. tokens. (Pyromancer / Souls) though the trample at our disposal gets us a long way.

    @Lantern, why don't you play Ghost Quarter?

    Never been a huge fan of it to be honest. Also turn 4ing it always seemed pretty late. I like having my mana more, so horizon canopy seemed better. I actually faced very little tron or pyro

    Quote from r497 »
    I'd still like to fit at least 1 Domri in the list, maybe on the sideboard.

    EDIT:

    There's another 5-0 from that Tribal list I posted on the last page with Kird Apes, Loam Lions and Mantis Riders.

    I was going to say that right now I think anything aggressive can 5-0. This isnt to take away from his accomplishments. Its really hard to lose to a jace control deck if you have a grip full of 1-2 mana threats against counters and expensive removal. Especially because people right now are playing jace REALLY baddly and using him turn 4 to be a 4 mana bounce spell or brainstorm before it dies. More below.

    Quote from FierceMonkeh »
    Quote from r497 »
    I'd still like to fit at least 1 Domri in the list, maybe on the sideboard.

    EDIT:

    There's another 5-0 from that Tribal list I posted on the last page with Kird Apes, Loam Lions and Mantis Riders.


    That guy went a grand total of 12-7 he's a friend of mine. He doesn't like the list.

    Hey cool. tell him congrats for me. I suspect it has to be really good vs removal or jace decks, but can easily out paced. Thats why I dont like kird ape and loam lion
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Which Jace, the Mind Sculptor shell is the most powerful?
    Quote from idSurge »
    I'm not seeing Cryptics in these lists, its normally ramp (Noble) into threats, into BBE or Jace and then just an avalanche of advantage.
    Online Im still destroying this. They have serious mana problems, Late, non cascaded AVs are horrible and there are some really bad cascade targets. Ive just really unimpressed by it.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]



    Heres what I am running. Been working great. actually having a 50/50 matchup with Jund/k/rock, and Have only lost 1 round against all jace decks (midrange and control, around 30 or so control decks.)

    This deck does not lose to any removal decks really. Ive beaten pretty much all blood moon destroy lands decks too. Been over preforming. I think if you are going rallier, this is the best version you can run. I'll work on a thalia build next... though Atarkas command build is also pretty cool in my head.

    Voice and ooze 2-1 can be swapped, but not noticeable reason to do it in my testing. Probably can run bloodmoon too over choke. Theres just enough blue right now that its basically one sided blood moon. Id switch a horizon into a forest.

    Overall, the deck is super solid. Tier 2, 1.5? Not 1. Please take it out for a spin. Comment if you want any questions on this build answered. I'm about 100 rounds in now.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Which Jace, the Mind Sculptor shell is the most powerful?
    Weird to see people saying rug. Ive been destroying that one easier than the rest.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    Just to jump in as a long time zoo player... you still ran canonists and thalias in zoo, even back when BBElf was legal. The power levels were high enough to justify it.

    Not picking a side here, just pointing it out
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Changing how the forums are structured - Looking for community feedback
    I'd be for option 2. The truth is... Until wizards lets us get data again, the old way of doing it is dead. No "tier list" exists without bias anymore. Modern has also evolved to be as diverse as legacy, there is a stupid amount of decks now.

    So my suggestion would be Option 2- Make a sticky thread that has all Decks in it, with a short overview on the deck in it. That way there is a table of contents and new users can go to that to learn more. Lets be real... returning users subscribe to X amount of threads and dont browse really, only new users looking to get info. Give them that option.

    Option 1 has too much bias, and does a bad job at being a tier list. Option 2 with tier list stickys is just doing a worse version of what we have now. Theres no good way to organize those threads in option two sans a table of contents. Option 3 doesnt change anything and has been lacking anyways.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    Honestly, Ive never liked railer, but bbelf does make it more appealing to me. Ive used seals with bbelf before, its a nice thought worth testing. Might be solid enough tech to seperate it from the pack...

    Though if I was running a full burn suite i still wouldnt run thalia
    Thalia is solid in zoo, but she really was great in small zoo, less good in more bigger.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    Quote from Brulander »
    Quote from Lantern »
    Quote from Brulander »
    I've been waiting to play a classic zoo list competitively forever now... With the elf on our side what are looking like it chances of reliving subs of the old girl days? How would you guys consider our matchups in the proposed shell in a local meta such as Tron, jund, Jace, affinity, elves, fish, storm?


    What do you mean by classic? Like kird apes and loam lions?


    Like just Naya good stuff.


    Yeah, it doesnt fix our losing the fast game to a bunch of other decks issue, but it forsure helps our ending aggro midgame problem

    Tron- Probably good, but eldrazi tron is probably an issue. I havent played much naya against them when the archtype was starting to be formed.

    jund- Probably not good. weve always been soft to them

    Jace- Probably good, just dont over extend into wipes. You always need to play control matchups with reserve gas.

    affinity- pre board probably bad. Post board really good if you have grudge along with burn.

    elves- probably bad, they combo fast.
    fish- depends on the amount of burn. But Ive always found it slightly in our favor.

    storm- Aweful. Need to hit the silver bullet in the side to have a shot.

    Overall, Zoo is king in a tempo and control meta. We havent had one of those since Delver tresure cruise days. Historically its terrible in combo midrange meta, but historically, modern gravitates to that. With jace existing? Up in the air. If its a force, we have a diffiniate role to play in the meta.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
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