OMG, people. You know that this discussion is getting nowhere and we are about 30 hours from deadline. Stop persuing each other and wait for the next Day to continue. The bickering that is going on now is near pointless since we don't even have a flip yet.
Lynch me so we this Day can finish.
As far as I'm concerned lynching you achieves nothing. You are town.
There was no scum reason for you to refuse to claim and the same again for you advocating your own lynch.
KK should be the lynch today, at worse we lynch claimed VT, at best scum, this are the best two possible results day 1.
KK hasn't done anything to redeem himself since his claim.
Clearing KK based on your read on Rhand seems like a folly too, nothing you have pointed out seems to clear KK.
Also reaching the deadline isn't as bad in this game as in others all that happens is the lynch threshold is reduced and votes reset, and then it repeats every 3 days until either a lynch is voted for or no lynch is voted for.
What has you so convinced that PSR is town?
The only you stated above was because he wouldn't claim and he advocated his own lynch... Why can't a scum do these things?
@Allwinapprentice: Why is that your ordering? Give specifics please. What makes WG, Cellion, ZDS townie? Why are PG, DKD, and KCC scummy to you? Do you think those three could be the scumteam? Do you have anything to contribute that hasn't been said in the thread yet?
Gladly, sorry I didnt get to it before the night happened. The ordering I used is something newer that I do based off of playing in the CCM. I had completely thought Iso to be town and therefore stopped looking at his posts as intently for scumtells. This in hindsight was a poor play style and so I have adjusted my outlook so that everyone will remain scum until you flip otherwise. This is just my way of making sure I look at everyone's post intently. If it is a big deal I can change it back but this is my preference.
As for my reads I am going to look over the interactions that happened Day 1 and mainly look at the KCC wagon and I will post up a more updated scum list when I am done. I will give analysis on the 3 most scummiest players on my list then.
For the final two questions:
We now know that KCC isnt part of the scum team. and I do not have anything new to contribute at this time.
To answer an early question I agree and see no reason in answering why I see some people less scummy then others as this doesn't help with the goal at hand but I will delve into my notes and share my reasoning on why I view some as scummier than others.
With the addition of newer eyes coming into the game and bringing some different points to light I am finding PSR to be more scummy then KK. I find them both to be acting scummy but I do not believe they are both scum. I believe that if PSR is town then KK is scum and vice versa. Now on the matter of Truk I found him scummy before with his ideas for the mass claim but with the new players better analysis of him then mine I no longer have him leaning as strongly towards scum.
Now for why I find KK and PSR to be scummy. Some of these points have already been stated by other players but I am going to list them here so that my conclusion is complete for everyone.
PSR:
PSR ended the RVS with a vote on iPot after my vote which isn't a scum tell but then he very aggressively tried to meta iPot very early. This could of either been town or scum looking for some quick town credibility with "scum-hunting". He continues to push this wagon for a bit but then goes to state that he doesn't want iPot to be the lynch for the day while still voting and attacking iPot. And in his post he states "The town also wasn't seeing iPot's post the same way I did meaning that iPot was not going to be lynched". So based on the fact that he wasn't getting anyone to join in against someone who he finds scummy he then switches to Truk. He wants to vote Truk because Truk voted for him on the basis of a Policy Lynch Day 1. After he is on that wagon for a bit he switches to KosaKosa without any reasoning attached in a quoted post #160. From here on out he has been going for the lynch on KK but still makes comments as to how iPot is scummy and since no one is with him he rather just push a different wagon where he has people with him. I find this to be a scum behavior because if you find scum and believe they are scum then why just push someone else because people are there with you? PSR has also refused to claim which is not a scum tell but leads to alot of mystery around him and makes me what he has to hide.
KK:
KK has this game just built a list of scummy behavior and reasoning. He has tried fear-mongering to avoid his lynch, occasional lurking, as well as having some very knee jerk reactions. He also has claimed fully without the need to at all. Then states that if he avoids a NK for being VT that is good for the town but in fact this is anti town because if he is VT (which i doubt) then he has just statistically increased the random chance for the mafia to pick a town, kill them and hit a power role. Kosakosa has been a big distraction to the town either way he flips and distractions only help the scum team. For this I would agree to lynch KK for the day but as my notes stand now I think PSR is scummier. And his sarcasm and ideals that he is teaching someone what is right and wrong is just overall annoying and unhelpful in my opinion.
Hey guys, Glad for my finals to be over and back to my more normal schedule which allows me time to play mafia Here is my T/S list for this game. I order my list a little different than most because I belive you are all scum until you flip blue so let me know if you have any questions on it.
Least Scummy
AWA
TMCT
ETR
JDAwe
MTetris
Maokun
HnS
Mirror Entity
IPot
Truk
PSR
KK
Most Scummy
Okay, so here is the T/S list I currently have for this game. I set my list up a litttle different then most of you do as I believe you are all scum until you flip blue. So for that purpose I order my list with who is the least scummy to who is the most scummy to me.
LEAST SCUMMY
AWA
WG
Cellion
ZDS
Polski
KJ
Kank
Archae
MTetris
PG
DKD
KCC
MOST SCUMMY
I have finally been able to finish reading this game(the nested quotes were a pain). I hope to have at minimum a T/S list up for inquiry later today. Thanks for your patience in this hectic time.
As for my experience, I played in the CCM and I am currently in Basic 70.
KosaKosa, fullclaim. Summarize your abilities and your flavor.
Don't quote it word for word. Cause you'll get modkilled. I feel like you'd do that.
What could KK claim at this point that would sway your views? (I wish to hear everyone who is voting KK to answer this)As I see it if he changes his role or elaborates upon it then he will be viewed as a liar and then we lynch him because he can't be trusted. If he claims exactly as he did before then we still dont know if it's true and we lynch him. what is the point of this request of him?
I dont like this post.
The question if answered shows what KK needs to claim to sway people. This would introduce WIFOM, did he claim that because that was a way get out of pressure? or is he telling the truth?
The fact that you ask everyone voting KK to respond doesn't sit right with me as you acknowledge how pointless the claim is.
I can see how you interpreted my post as you did but that analysis of my intentions is far from the truth. I had and have no intentions of aiding KK in swaying anyone's votes. I believe he is the summiest player at this point and I am fully aggreeable with his lynch at this time. I just didn't understand why Tetris asked him to do something that I saw as a pointless request. This made me question Tetris' intentions and reasoning so I wanted clarification.
@Tetris: Perhaps it is because I am new that I dont understand this, but how does KK's full claim show that the scum could have premade false claims? Also this is my first basic game, from your experience is it common for scum to get false claims handed to them in basics on mtgs?
OOG: It is finals time for me both this week and the next, sorry for my limited activity during this time but I will try and check in as much as I can.
Thank you all for the welcomes. I will try and read the game soon, I am currently having my finals in college so I don't have as much time as I normally do. I am also in another game, due to the deadline though I will make it a point to read the game and make a post by this upcoming weekend.
What could KK claim at this point that would sway your views? (I wish to hear everyone who is voting KK to answer this)As I see it if he changes his role or elaborates upon it then he will be viewed as a liar and then we lynch him because he can't be trusted. If he claims exactly as he did before then we still dont know if it's true and we lynch him. what is the point of this request of him?
Please explain why you thought you needed to post this content.
In the mean time, I do not want KosaKosa to claim.
I posted the content because I didn't understand what Tetris hoped to gain from this because it seems like he already had a solid and decided case. I wanted to figure out his intentions to better read his alignment. I furthered this thought to wondering the same of everyone. As we now have KK's fullclaim I believe from the points that have been presented he is indeed the summiest player of the day so far. Vote KK
KosaKosa, fullclaim. Summarize your abilities and your flavor.
Don't quote it word for word. Cause you'll get modkilled. I feel like you'd do that.
What could KK claim at this point that would sway your views? (I wish to hear everyone who is voting KK to answer this)As I see it if he changes his role or elaborates upon it then he will be viewed as a liar and then we lynch him because he can't be trusted. If he claims exactly as he did before then we still dont know if it's true and we lynch him. what is the point of this request of him?
I would vote against the claim. A mass claim suggestion on day one of any kind makes me a bit suspicious of you. I understand you are trying to get some conversation started but from the questions you asked it could be possible to figure out who the PR's are. Also I believe I understand why you want to know colors but would you mind stating your reasons first? And finally I find it interesting that you felt the need to plug that no conversation is bad for town, why are you trying to look so pro-town before asking everyone to just share thier roles on day one?
Here and going to read through and post on language tell soon.
What has you so convinced that PSR is town?
The only you stated above was because he wouldn't claim and he advocated his own lynch... Why can't a scum do these things?
Gladly, sorry I didnt get to it before the night happened. The ordering I used is something newer that I do based off of playing in the CCM. I had completely thought Iso to be town and therefore stopped looking at his posts as intently for scumtells. This in hindsight was a poor play style and so I have adjusted my outlook so that everyone will remain scum until you flip otherwise. This is just my way of making sure I look at everyone's post intently. If it is a big deal I can change it back but this is my preference.
As for my reads I am going to look over the interactions that happened Day 1 and mainly look at the KCC wagon and I will post up a more updated scum list when I am done. I will give analysis on the 3 most scummiest players on my list then.
For the final two questions:
We now know that KCC isnt part of the scum team. and I do not have anything new to contribute at this time.
First off, Welcome to IB, TEIN and Rhand!!
To answer an early question I agree and see no reason in answering why I see some people less scummy then others as this doesn't help with the goal at hand but I will delve into my notes and share my reasoning on why I view some as scummier than others.
With the addition of newer eyes coming into the game and bringing some different points to light I am finding PSR to be more scummy then KK. I find them both to be acting scummy but I do not believe they are both scum. I believe that if PSR is town then KK is scum and vice versa. Now on the matter of Truk I found him scummy before with his ideas for the mass claim but with the new players better analysis of him then mine I no longer have him leaning as strongly towards scum.
Now for why I find KK and PSR to be scummy. Some of these points have already been stated by other players but I am going to list them here so that my conclusion is complete for everyone.
PSR:
PSR ended the RVS with a vote on iPot after my vote which isn't a scum tell but then he very aggressively tried to meta iPot very early. This could of either been town or scum looking for some quick town credibility with "scum-hunting". He continues to push this wagon for a bit but then goes to state that he doesn't want iPot to be the lynch for the day while still voting and attacking iPot. And in his post he states "The town also wasn't seeing iPot's post the same way I did meaning that iPot was not going to be lynched". So based on the fact that he wasn't getting anyone to join in against someone who he finds scummy he then switches to Truk. He wants to vote Truk because Truk voted for him on the basis of a Policy Lynch Day 1. After he is on that wagon for a bit he switches to KosaKosa without any reasoning attached in a quoted post #160. From here on out he has been going for the lynch on KK but still makes comments as to how iPot is scummy and since no one is with him he rather just push a different wagon where he has people with him. I find this to be a scum behavior because if you find scum and believe they are scum then why just push someone else because people are there with you? PSR has also refused to claim which is not a scum tell but leads to alot of mystery around him and makes me what he has to hide.
KK:
KK has this game just built a list of scummy behavior and reasoning. He has tried fear-mongering to avoid his lynch, occasional lurking, as well as having some very knee jerk reactions. He also has claimed fully without the need to at all. Then states that if he avoids a NK for being VT that is good for the town but in fact this is anti town because if he is VT (which i doubt) then he has just statistically increased the random chance for the mafia to pick a town, kill them and hit a power role. Kosakosa has been a big distraction to the town either way he flips and distractions only help the scum team. For this I would agree to lynch KK for the day but as my notes stand now I think PSR is scummier. And his sarcasm and ideals that he is teaching someone what is right and wrong is just overall annoying and unhelpful in my opinion.
So with my newest analysis above:
Unvote
Vote PSR
Least Scummy
AWA
TMCT
ETR
JDAwe
MTetris
Maokun
HnS
Mirror Entity
IPot
Truk
PSR
KK
Most Scummy
Okay, so here is the T/S list I currently have for this game. I set my list up a litttle different then most of you do as I believe you are all scum until you flip blue. So for that purpose I order my list with who is the least scummy to who is the most scummy to me.
LEAST SCUMMY
AWA
WG
Cellion
ZDS
Polski
KJ
Kank
Archae
MTetris
PG
DKD
KCC
MOST SCUMMY
Let me know of any questions you may have.
I have finally been able to finish reading this game(the nested quotes were a pain). I hope to have at minimum a T/S list up for inquiry later today. Thanks for your patience in this hectic time.
As for my experience, I played in the CCM and I am currently in Basic 70.
I can see how you interpreted my post as you did but that analysis of my intentions is far from the truth. I had and have no intentions of aiding KK in swaying anyone's votes. I believe he is the summiest player at this point and I am fully aggreeable with his lynch at this time. I just didn't understand why Tetris asked him to do something that I saw as a pointless request. This made me question Tetris' intentions and reasoning so I wanted clarification.
@Tetris: Perhaps it is because I am new that I dont understand this, but how does KK's full claim show that the scum could have premade false claims? Also this is my first basic game, from your experience is it common for scum to get false claims handed to them in basics on mtgs?
OOG: It is finals time for me both this week and the next, sorry for my limited activity during this time but I will try and check in as much as I can.
Thank you all for the welcomes. I will try and read the game soon, I am currently having my finals in college so I don't have as much time as I normally do. I am also in another game, due to the deadline though I will make it a point to read the game and make a post by this upcoming weekend.
I posted the content because I didn't understand what Tetris hoped to gain from this because it seems like he already had a solid and decided case. I wanted to figure out his intentions to better read his alignment. I furthered this thought to wondering the same of everyone. As we now have KK's fullclaim I believe from the points that have been presented he is indeed the summiest player of the day so far.
Vote KK
What could KK claim at this point that would sway your views? (I wish to hear everyone who is voting KK to answer this)As I see it if he changes his role or elaborates upon it then he will be viewed as a liar and then we lynch him because he can't be trusted. If he claims exactly as he did before then we still dont know if it's true and we lynch him. what is the point of this request of him?
I would vote against the claim. A mass claim suggestion on day one of any kind makes me a bit suspicious of you. I understand you are trying to get some conversation started but from the questions you asked it could be possible to figure out who the PR's are. Also I believe I understand why you want to know colors but would you mind stating your reasons first? And finally I find it interesting that you felt the need to plug that no conversation is bad for town, why are you trying to look so pro-town before asking everyone to just share thier roles on day one?
You have a good point there mirror. For clarity...
@Phoenix-was your efforts some attempt at a gambit or was it a serious case?