MTG Salvation

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1- How do you guys feel about aligning with a particular Mythos? Because we stayed clear of it for now since we haven't gone into the creative but doing so would allow to know what types we use (for example, aligning with Christian Mythos gives us Angels, Demons or Devils depending on our taste (black or red), Serpents or Leviathans for Blue,etc) If we keep with the classic Steampunk-associated Mythos, we go more toward the Lovecraft style (Which doesn't change much for Blue, really), but tokens like 4/4 Angels are suddenly further off the general flavour.

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How do you guys want to proceed?

Quote from Raptor1210 »

Just as a general guideline for White common non-Creature spells, just so everyone is on the same page:

• A Lifegain spell, sometimes playable but, more often than not, barely playable even in limited. (eg. Healing Hands, Whitesun's Passage)
• A Small Pump spell, sometimes French Vanilla, often, though not exclusively, a combat trick. (eg. Seize the Initiative, Mighty Leap)
• A "Save my guy" spell, often prevents damage but sometimes grants defensive abilities that save the creature while in combat. (eg. Leap of Faith, Lithomancer's Focus)
• A "Hurt the guys that are messing with me in combat" Spell, often deals damage to attacking or blocking creatures but can also be "destroy tapped creature." (eg. Righteous Blow, Sheer Drop)
• A "Pacifism"-type Spell that locks down a creature and prevents it from attacking/blocking/activating abilities. (eg. Arrest, Pacifism)


• A "Generic" White spell that fits Thematically into the set, it may be a repeat of one of the previously stated effects.

Edit:

• A "Team buff" spell that acts a "game-ender" for small aggressive decks, usually a sorcery sometimes an instant, almost univerally gives either +N/+N or +X/+Y and sometimes an white evergreen keyword UEOT. Sometimes replaced by a creature with similar ETB trigger. (eg. Inspired Charge, Rush of Battle)

Quote from grimGrendel »

To add to Raptor's guideline list, according to Rosewater's Nuts and bolts, at common white can get :

• Some flying creatures (1-2, maybe 3 if it is a sub theme like thopters)
• Some each of First strike, vigilance, life link (1 of each usually)
• Rarely flash (0-1, only if needed. Often counts as both an instant slot and a creature slot. Note that there is currently no common flash white cards in standard)
• Most creatures should be small, with about a third of medium creatures
• The only enchantments at common are usually aura, and there is almost always at least 1
• White gets 1-2 more instants than sorceries (including flash creatures)
• There is usually a single team buff spell or creature at common to encourage the token theme

• A Lifegain spell, sometimes playable but, more often than not, barely playable even in limited. (eg. Healing Hands, Whitesun's Passage)
• A Small Pump spell, sometimes French Vanilla, often, though not exclusively, a combat trick. (eg. Seize the Initiative, Mighty Leap)
• A "Save my guy" spell, often prevents damage but sometimes grants defensive abilities that save the creature while in combat. (eg. Leap of Faith, Lithomancer's Focus)
• A "Hurt the guys that are messing with me in combat" Spell, often deals damage to attacking or blocking creatures but can also be "destroy tapped creature." (eg. Righteous Blow, Sheer Drop)
• A "Pacifism"-type Spell that locks down a creature and prevents it from attacking/blocking/activating abilities. (eg. Arrest, Pacifism)
• A "Generic" White spell that fits Thematically into the set, it may be a repeat of one of the previously stated effects.

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Another small thought that may make cutting card through design easier : Should we allow ourselves to hold up some interesting design cards for a phantom second small set? Knowing that an interesting card design is not lost will make it easier to take the decision to trim it from the set and allow better focus on the essentials. We probably will not go through a small set, but having an honorable mention section could prove useful

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Trash N adds immense board complexity though. You now have to manage exactly how many permanents there are in your graveyard. I mean I get the point but there have been many, many mechanics that work fine without doing so. I'm talking about Ferocious, Formidable, Spell Mastery, Metal craft, etc. they all worked just fine without having to use a variable number.

We could potentially make trash work like Processors from BFZ, and just have each of them use up a certain amount of fuel.

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Of course Raptor! Long time no see. What I would ask though is for you to read through as much of the thread so far as you can in order to be caught up with the current design state. It might be confusing since a bunch of mechanics have gone through multiple iterations, but it will be helpful to know the path we took to get where we are today.