MTG Salvation

Got some trouble with mine at first. The deck looked like it generally doubled in thickness because of the air.
The thickness eventually normalized after a few days of playing with the cards.

I haven't played against someone who put lands up front. Maybe it's something more common in western countries? I learned mtg from older cousins, and simply copied the way they put lands into the table. Creatures closer to opponent and lands closer to you.
It just became a habit after that.

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Go For the Throat is out of stock right now. But, i would have put it in there instead of Doom Blade

The new M13 card Murder can be useful too. Probably to replace the 2 Dismember, because paying phyrexian mana with life can make the damage race difficult, espescially if your opponent has burn spells.

also, i would like to say that i play dredge and don't dress like a freak, just puttin it out there. fight deckial stereotyping!

Is that directed at my post? The dredge player I played against wasn't really dressed like a freak, just dressed in casual black shirt with 3 or 4 chain necklace around his neck. Must be some sort of street fashion from where he lived. And what I meant as "a little funny" is how another player reacted that day after playing against Dredge.

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Dredge kills on turn 3-4 with good regularity and as already mentioned, is very difficult to interact with game 1.

Turn 3 to 4 indeed. My first Legacy tournament several months ago, is the first time I encountered a Dredge deck. Opponent is dressed in black and had long chain necklace. Wondered why opponent chose to go 2nd and discarded something? Then a few turns later, there's this boros creature which gave +1/+1 and haste. Lost because my creatures can't hold back all the zombies and revived Ichorid (4/2 because of the boros creature). Game 2 my creatures put up more aggression and I get opponent to 5 life, but it still ended the same.. death by overwhelming number of undead. A little funny during snack time much later that day. I came across two people talking. One of them asked "What did your last opponent play?" The one asked replied one word "Ichorid" referring to the Dredge player I had a match with earlier.

After that day I learned to always bring at least 4 grave removal to tournaments.

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Creatures: 4 Dauthi Slayer 4 Dauthi Ghoul 4 Dauthi Horror 4 Dauthi Warlord 4 Dauthi Marauder	Instants: 4 Doom Blade 4 Tribute to Hunger 4 Grasp of Darkness 2 Dismember	Sorceries: 4 Duress 2 Hymn to Tourach Lands: 20 Swamp

Better?

Yes, a lot better. If there are many black decks with black creatures in your playgroup, Doomblade can be replaced with Smother or Go for the Throat.

Rime Transfusion does indeed look good. Thanks.
While this deck is intended to be powered down because it will be played mostly against precons and budget casual decks, being a little more in theme doesn't hurt. The transfusions can replace the Spectral Flights.

Ok, with the latest suggestions..

-2 Vexing Sphinx +2 Rimewind Taskmage
-3 Spectral Flight +3 Rime Transfusion

Manabase adjusted as well.

-2 Snow Covered Island + 2 Snow Covered Swamp
-1 Ponder +1 Scrying Sheets

That looks like a really large creature, and unique ability too.
But I can't use it because it's not in the deck's color.. thanks anyway.

To the OP post. Just as some people here have suggested. Try to add some cards that disrupt your opponent like discard spells. 20 creature removal is too much. You don't need to kill every single one of your opponent's creatures. Simply remove the bigger ones or those with threatening abilities, so you don't get outraced in the damage race.

Personally, I would cut 5 or 6 removal for some Duress and Inquisition of Kozilek.

@Xyx

The Taskmage seems like it could replace the 2 Vexing Sphinx. Also gives the deck a 2 mana creature, at best he taps down large creatures and at worst he's another early blocker. Thanks for the suggestion, will test.

Mouth of Ronom's ability is decent, but I can't add it anymore because too many lands that produce only colorless mana result in me getting mana screwed. It's ronom or scrying sheets. Have to choose the sheets because the potential card draw is more helpful than 4 damage to a creature. The deck has plenty of other creature removal anyway.

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I meant Factory

I am debating Ravagers, while I like them in the deck (I currently have none, but can acquire them) I like the Etched Champion a lot more, also on debate is Frogmite

The champion is still better in my opinion. Depending on your meta, he can be either 3 or 4. I prefer using 3, so it's easy to replace all of him with sideboard cards in matches where he won't do much (like combo decks). If your meta has a lot of aggro, he's strong.

I meant Factory must have just mistyped, I was gonna play Blinkmoth Nexus, but thought Factory would be much better

Factory is no doubt a good card. But the blinkmoth has flying. A factory with a plating will trade with a large creature (such as goyf), but a Blinkmoth can fly over blockers and do damage to the opponent. Blinkmoth can also block Delver.

To the opening post. No, not going to buy a box.
I don't play Standard, so I don't need that many cards.

Just going to buy 12 Tormod's Crypt (will give 3 to a friend and the rest will be distributed to the sideboards of my Legacy decks :)). And a playset of Rancor, Sublime Archangel, Master of the Pearl Trident, Smelt, Serra Avenger and Hellion Crucible for adding to my binder.

Someone who doesn't use The Stack. I've met an older player who has no knowledge on how the stack works. So there's endless disputes when an ability gets activated in response to another. Thank goodness it's only a casual game.

I would also say Dredge is one of those decks that is a challenge to defeat on game 1. Need to get lucky that the opponent has a bad draw, and I must have an aggressive opening hand with my Zoo deck.

I see what you mean now.
Thanks for the help.

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