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Has anyone tested with Oath of Nissa? I put together a list recently and tried it out and it seemed effective but I haven't been paying much attention lately and this thread is on the 3rd page so it doesn't seem to have a ton of activity either likely due to being worse in the meta than before. I don't know how many reasonable decks there are so it might not solve a problem that exists.

I will say that Oath generally smoothed things out and was pretty nice for getting rid of some dead draws and getting what you need. I wish that it grabbed enchantments as well, but I've found that putting the cards you don't pick on the bottom of the library is generally an upside.

For the SB, I would slant it heavily towards beating combo as I think that's the primary weakness here (without having gone to a proper tournament lately):

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Dark Confidant
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Bloodbraid Elf
4 Oath of Nissa
1 Sylvan Library
2 Punishing Fire
2 Lightning Bolt
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Domri Rade
3 Thoughtseize
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Hymn to Tourach
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Life from the Loam
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
2 Bayou
2 Badlands
1 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Bloodstained Mire

Is there an updated list (from http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/the-cube-forum/pauper-peasant-discussion/489149-mtgo-rarity-shifted-cards-rarity-conflicts-between) of all the downshifted cards from mtgo?

Hi guys,

This is the first theory article I have ever posted and I wanted to get y'all opinion on it and put it out there for the community. Hopefully some theory crafting that I and my good friend have done will help someone get out there and crush. Please leave any comments here or on the wordpress site. Sorry about it being a work in progress, but I wanted to get it out there before the week started to give people time to think about the idea.

Thanks for the time!

Here is the link: http://boxian0.wordpress.com/2014/10/19/metagaming-legacy-before-gpnj-and-eternal-weekend/

That's fair. I think that I was remembering the other colors 4 drops vs greens monstrosities.

I might be wrong here, but I like the vigilance crocodile. Starts out as a Pillarfield Ox with an upside of vigilance so it really looks to be nice in the midrange/control green decks and then later on you get to up the creature and make it a pretty strong threat. Obviously, the creature has the same issues any non-hexproof guy does (especially on monstrous activation), but I think it would be a good finisher.

I think that a card that read "2WW instant - up to two target creatures get +1/+1 and gain indestructible until end of turn" would be an auto-cut most of the time for lower cost combat tricks. I think Strive is as good as it's cost, just like any of the good multikicker common cards would be played according to their overall costs.

oh someone please get the youtube clip of this!

mslano, thanks so much! That was super helpful, and I will probably be overhauling my cube shortly to try to really make something like that happen. The nice thing is that a spells matter deck just seems powerful with a synergy upside, and the token production/sacrificing cards really branched out quickly! I am going to add the Presence of Gond+Midnight Guard combo already, so it will be nice to have token and sacrifice support in multiple colors! Thanks for the great ideas.

ntDars, I am playing Mnemonic Wall and Archaeomancer currently so it will be good to support the wall with the actual archetype, hah. Thanks!

About archetypes:

I was thinking about them earlier, does Pauper have the card support for a steal and sac themed archetype in RB via Act of Treason and Fling/Carrion Feeder, for example? I know we don't get Barrage of Expendables or Goblin Bombardment unfortunately, but something to kind of stand in for that might be all that archetype needs to be a strong aggro archetype with a kind of synergy flair. And for UR, can Spells Matter be a proper archetype yet? We have Kiln Fiend, Wee Dragonauts, Nivix Cyclops, Goblin Electromancer and play a high density of good spells in U and R - even without a spells matter theme. I think that will be something that I will try to test more, especially if I move from 360 cards to anything more (though maybe those should just be my 3 UR cards and see what happens).

lol Elvish Archers was a rare every time it was printed, that's impressive.

Question for everyone:

Has anyone tried designing a pauper cube with just NWO style commons and effects for color pie?

An idea that's really captured my attention is doing something like NOT running Merfolk Looter/Thought Courier since "looting" has moved into Red over Blue, for example.

Does this just lead to a really boring cube with a far reduced power curve, or is it still interesting?

Also, is there a list I could reference somewhere of the pauper combos?

Great thanks. So it is definitely resolve 3 Dread Returns. When does the combo generally go off? I could see it going off on your turn 2, is it reliable on that turn or is that fast? Is it only interacted with via forcing the DR?

On The Source I saw some people talking about a board plan of force + disrupting shoal to beat RiP and I suppose opponents' countermagic. Is that pretty much the standard in the brewing here too?

Thanks again.

Sorry if this is a bad question: the game plan is go to 8 cards, discard Phantasmagorian, discard 3 dredgers, Street Wraith/G. Probe and draw step into a ton of dredging, get your sweet Narcomoeba triggers and then cast and resolve 2? Dread Return, initial targeting Flayer of the Hatebound and second targeting Griselbrand/some other fatty for the win and use tokens/ichorids/bloodghasts for everything else?

I've looked for a few primers on the actual combo win and no one has spelled it out because everyone else sees it but me, I just want to make sure that I get it. I am looking at building this online because I like other dredge builds but really don't like the MTGO LED price.

Thanks!

Dunno if you're still reading this Smokestacks, but:

I think that the Vraska half is super awesome, and very seductively dangerous with the way she is posed (like she just caressed the face of one of the statue dudes she made before stepping forward) and I like the Jace half. It's just a hood down shot, I don't think it looks all that weird, I thought Jace was a pale dude, and I think he looks good because his pose looks like he is pissed and ready to smack someone and kind of wary, which I kind vibe on him being as he is a politician now.

I don't understand the 1 glove thing and actually thing no gloves would look better, but that's probably in the style guide so w/e.

Anyways, I think it looks good. The whole thing.

I am also baffled that Daxos is not UB.

I also hate that UB is limited to derp derp, lemme mill you. I wish they would take it somewhere else.

Anyone else think that this archetype has new life because of Akroan Crusader? I am trying to think of brews focusing on the Heroic guy.