This is hardly believable if the lands are to be playable. I play a land and lose 3 life. Play another, lose another three life... if I end up playing yet another one, there go 9 life in total. Have you ever thought just how bad these are in a format rich in burn like Legacy?
Wizards said that they would be playable... I'm hopping that the information posted on post 244, where cok_spoiler says that the cards are a flip version where you pick the basic land type as they come into play is right.
I just want to clarify that that part is ***speculation*** - i don't yet know exactly what the cards do. That was just an educated guess at the approach they may take.
Sorry about starting a new thread on this, RE, but the last one is closed..
So - I have heard from a reliable source (wizards employee - RE can vouch for this, as can my history, i hope) that there will definitely be dual lands in Ravnica (though set or block I'm not certain). Not just that, but we'll never again see anything closer to the original duals than these (unless they change the reprint policy, i guess).
My thought is with one of two possibilities
Legendary Land - Forest Plains
or
Land - Mountain/Land - Forest
When ~ comes into play, you may flip it.
(note that neither is a basic land, given the current rules).
91 R Adamaro, First to Desire (Spirit)
92 R Akki Drillmaster (Goblin Shaman)
93 R Akki Underling (Goblin Warrior)
94 R Barrel Down Sokenzan
95 R Burning-Eye Zubera (Zubera Spirit)
96 R Captive Flame
97 R Feral Lightning
98 R Gaze of Adamaro
99 R Ghost-lit Raider (Spirit)
100 R ....????
101 R Glitterfang (Spirit)
102 R Godo's Irregulars (Human Warrior)
103 R Hidetsugu's Second Rite
104 R Homura, Human Ascendant (Human Warrior)
105 R Iizuka the Ruthless (Legendary Human Samurai)
106 R Inner Fire
107 R Into the Fray
108 R Jiwari, the Earth Aflame (Legendary Spirit)
109 R Oni of Wild Paths (Demon Spirit)
110 R Path of Anger's Fire
111 R Rally of the Horde
112 R Ronin Cavekeeper (Human Samurai)
113 R Shinen of Fury’s Fire
114 R Skyfire Kirin (Kirin Spirit)
115 R Sokenzan Renegade (Ogre Samurai Mercenery)
116 R Sokenzan Spellblade (Ogre Samurai Shaman)
117 R Spiraling Embers
118 R Thoughts of Ruin
119 R Undying Flames
120 R Yuki-Onna (Spirit)
I'm not quite sure, since Hunter had Jiwari and Glitterfang bolded, although I've never seen any evidence of their numbers.
The booster pack from abroad thread has Sunder from Within - the missing red card.
We might need to rearrange some numbers, therefore.
(Note that i have no spilers yet, and I suspect I'm useless this time, since 'Rathi' has all my outs )
Edit: oh, and about the Matsu-Tribe Sniper, if it was an Archer, why would they do that? The other classes of snakes (Warriors and Shamans), have a purpose (from the brother and sister). Making a Archer would be pointless, unless they have some Archer theme or summat up their sleeves. Also, Matsu-Tribe Decoy sure looks like an archer, but his creature types? Snake and Warrior.:laugh:
Who can know why Wotc do these things?
I'm guessing he's an archer cause he can do things to flyers. The green creatures that can do that stuff are usually archers, spiders, or a marquee creature type (like spirit).
Thanks a lot!
However, I am quite disappointed with the set. It seems VERY crappy. I mean, look at this card:
Ronin Warclub 3
Artifact - Equipment Uncommon
Equipped Creature gets +2/+1.
Whenever a creature comes into play, attach ~ to it.
Equip 5.
Pete Venters
#158
I don't know about you guys, but it seems very bad to me. Am I missing something?
No - I am... Under your control is indeed present.
So - updated card..
Ronin Warclub 3
Artifact - Equipment Uncommon
Equipped Creature gets +2/+1.
Whenever a creature comes into play under your control, attach ~ to it.
Equip 5.
Pete Venters
#158
Blinding Powder 1
Artifact - Equipment Uncommon
Equipped Creature has "Unattach ~: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to this creature this turn".
Equip 2
Greg Hildebrandt
#153
Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch 1U
Creature - Spirit Uncommon
Defender
Whenever ~ blocks a creature, return that creature to owner's hand at end of combat.
0/3
Randy Gallegos
#39
Twist Allegiance 6R
Sorcery Rare
You and target opponent each gain control of all creatures the other controls until eot. Untap those creatures. They gain haste till eot.
Wayne Reynolds
#120
Enshrined Memories xG
Sorcery Rare
Reveal the top X cards of your library.
Put all creature cards revealed this way into your hand and all others on the bottom of your library in any order.
Jeff Easley
#124
Lifespinner 3G
Creature - Spirit Uncommon
T, Sacrifice 3 spirits: Search your library for a legendary spirit card and put that card into play. Shuffle your library.
3/3
Cara Mitten
#133
Isao, Enlightened Bushi 2G
Legendary Creature - Human Samurai Rare
~ can't be countered.
Bushido 2
2: Regenerate target Samurai.
2/1
Christopher Moeller
#129
Overblaze 3R
Instant - Arcane Uncommon
Each time a target permanent would deal damage this turn, it deals double that damage instead.
Splice onto Arcane 2RR
Ron Spencer
#114
Hired Muscle flips to Scarmaker
text is accurate
Arnie Swekel
#69
Sasiko, Mother of Summer 4GG
Legendary Creature - Snake Shaman Rare
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, add that much G to your mana pool. This mana doesn't cause mana burn. Until eot, this mana doesn't empty from your pool as phases end.
3/3
Michael Sutfin
#141
Nourishing Shoal XGG
Instant - Arcane Rare
You may remove a green card with cmc X in your hand from the game instead of paying ~'s mana cost.
You gain X life.
Greg Staples
#137
Goryo's Vengeance 1B
Instant - Arcane Rare
Return target legendary creature card from your graveyard to play. That creature gains haste. Remove it from the game at eot.
Splice onto Arcane 2B
Isoku
#67
(And I've verified privately to R-E that I'm the same Cok_spoiler as on mtgnews....)
Slumbering Tora 3
Artifact Rare
2, Discard a Spirit or Arcane card: ~ becomes an x/x artifact creature till eot, where X is the discarded card's converted mana cost.
Doug Chaffee
#161
Akki Raider 1R
Creature - Goblin Warrior Uncommon
Whenever a land is put into a graveyard from play, ~ gets +1/+0 till eot.
Akki were very territorial, attacking and destroying any settlements that came too close to the mountain homes. The more successful their raids, the bolder they became.
2/1
Martina Pilcerova
#92
Kami of the Honoured Dead 5WW
Creature - Spirit Uncommon
Flying.
Whenever ~ is dealt damage, you gain that much life.
Soulshift 6
3/5
Mark Zug
#12
Nezumi Shadow-Watcher B
Creature - Rat Warrior Uncommon
Sacrifice ~: Destroy target Ninja
"The Okiba Gang! Night-cursed thieves and assassins! I've had enough of their meddling! Triple the guard!" - Marrow-gnawer
1/1
Pete Venters
#74
Matsu-Tribe Sniper 1G
Creature - Snake Warrior Archer Common
t: ~ deals 1 damage to target creature with flying.
Whenever ~ deals damage to a creature, tap that creature and it doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
1/1
Carl Critchlow
#136
Ribbons of the Reikai 4U
Sorcery - Arcane Common
Draw a card for each Spirit you sontrol.
Martina Pilcerova
#50
Frost Ogre 3RR
Creature - Ogre Warrior Common
5/3
Dan Scott
#102
Minamo Sightbender 1U
Creature - Human Wizard Uncommon
X,T: Target creature with power X or less is unblockable this turn.
1/2
Luca Zontini
#41
Akki Blizzard-Herder 1R
Creature - Goblin Shaman Common
When ~ is put into a graveyard from play, each player sacrifices a land.
1/1
Pete Venters
#91
Heart of Light 2W
Enchant Creature Common
Prevent all damage that would be dealt to and by enchanted creature.
Luca Zontini
#6
Petalmane Baku 1G
Creature - Spirit Common
Whenever you play a spirit or arcane spell, you may put a ki counter on ~.
1, remove X ki counters from ~: Add X mana of any 1 colour to your mana pool.
1/2
Rebecca Guay
#139
Quillmane Baku, not Quillmage Baku
Blademane Baku 1R
Creature Spirit Common
Whenever you play a spirit or arcane spell, you may put a ki counter on ~.
1, remove X ki counters from ~: For each counter removed, ~ gets +2/+0 till eot.
Ronin Warclub 3
Artifact - Equipment Uncommon
Equipped Creature gets +2/+1.
Whenever a creature comes into play, attach ~ to it.
Equip 5.
Pete Venters
#158
Psychic Spear is a Common
Ron Spears
#78
Ronin Cliffrider 3RR
Creature - Human Samurai Uncommon
Bushido 1
Whenever ~ attacks, you may have it deal 1 damage to each creature defending player controls.
2/2
Dan Scott
#116
Taproot Kami = Traproot Kami
Unchecked Growth 2G
Instant - Arcane Uncommon
Target creature gets +4/+4 till eot. It it's a Spirit, it gains trample till eot.
Tsutomu Kawade
#148
Genju of the Realm WUBRG
Legendary Enchant Land Rare
2: Enchanted Land becomes a legendary 8/12 Spirit Creature with trample until eot. It's still a land.
When enchanted land is put into a graveyard from play, you may return ~ to owner's hand.
Scott M Fischer
#151
Three Tragedies 3BB
Sorcery - Arcane Uncommon
Target player discards 3 cards.
Darrell Riche
#87
Loam Dweller 1G
Creature - Spirit Uncommon
Whenever you play a Spirit or Arcane spell, you may out a land card into play from your hand tapped.
2/2
Paolo Parente
#134
Ashen Monstrosity 5RR
Creature - Spirit Uncommon
Haste
~ attacks each turn if able.
7/4
Chris Appelhans
#93
Kumano's Blessing 2R
Enchant Creature Common
You may play ~ any time you could play an instant.
If a creature dealt damage by enchanted creature this turn would be put into a graveyard, remove it from the game instead.
Keith Garletts
#111
Harbinger of Spring 4G
Creature - Spirit Common
Protection from non-spirit creatures.
Soulshift 4
2/1
Cara Mitten
#128
Baku Altar 2
Artifact Rare
Whenever you play a Spirit or Arcane spell, you may put a ki counter on ~.
2,T,Remove a ki counter from ~: Put a 1/1 colourless Spirit token into play.
Edward P. Beard Jr.
#152
Actually, that's a great card! Anything that can search your library for a creature and then put it on top of your library can be used to find one of the Myojins, and draw ten cards. Sensei's diving top also helps. Oh, and Graceful Adept for the hand size.
My opinion is that any card that requires you to play bad cards in order to do anything less than a guaranteed win is bad. And I'm a combo player.
Therefore, this card is not the best ever. If I want to play a card to draw 10 bad cards, I'll play collective unconscious, or something like that. At least then I'll be able to twiddle my Gaea's Cradle and play them all.
I just want to clarify that that part is ***speculation*** - i don't yet know exactly what the cards do. That was just an educated guess at the approach they may take.
But there's another way around it..
How about 'Pay 1 life: ~ gains the "Swamp" subtype'
c_s (shamed by his earlier lack of etiquette)
So - I have heard from a reliable source (wizards employee - RE can vouch for this, as can my history, i hope) that there will definitely be dual lands in Ravnica (though set or block I'm not certain). Not just that, but we'll never again see anything closer to the original duals than these (unless they change the reprint policy, i guess).
My thought is with one of two possibilities
Legendary Land - Forest Plains
or
Land - Mountain/Land - Forest
When ~ comes into play, you may flip it.
(note that neither is a basic land, given the current rules).
c_s
The booster pack from abroad thread has Sunder from Within - the missing red card.
We might need to rearrange some numbers, therefore.
(Note that i have no spilers yet, and I suspect I'm useless this time, since 'Rathi' has all my outs
C_S
Always waiting...
I will supply once I can.
Just mention my name, and I'll appear.
Oh wait - I'm reading every thread.
It's more like just mention my name, and I'll be bothered to post.
And it'll not be before Tuesday, I suspect.
Who can know why Wotc do these things?
I'm guessing he's an archer cause he can do things to flyers. The green creatures that can do that stuff are usually archers, spiders, or a marquee creature type (like spirit).
c_S
No - I am... Under your control is indeed present.
So - updated card..
Ronin Warclub 3
Artifact - Equipment Uncommon
Equipped Creature gets +2/+1.
Whenever a creature comes into play under your control, attach ~ to it.
Equip 5.
Pete Venters
#158
Blinding Powder 1
Artifact - Equipment Uncommon
Equipped Creature has "Unattach ~: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to this creature this turn".
Equip 2
Greg Hildebrandt
#153
Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch 1U
Creature - Spirit Uncommon
Defender
Whenever ~ blocks a creature, return that creature to owner's hand at end of combat.
0/3
Randy Gallegos
#39
Twist Allegiance 6R
Sorcery Rare
You and target opponent each gain control of all creatures the other controls until eot. Untap those creatures. They gain haste till eot.
Wayne Reynolds
#120
Enshrined Memories xG
Sorcery Rare
Reveal the top X cards of your library.
Put all creature cards revealed this way into your hand and all others on the bottom of your library in any order.
Jeff Easley
#124
Lifespinner 3G
Creature - Spirit Uncommon
T, Sacrifice 3 spirits: Search your library for a legendary spirit card and put that card into play. Shuffle your library.
3/3
Cara Mitten
#133
Isao, Enlightened Bushi 2G
Legendary Creature - Human Samurai Rare
~ can't be countered.
Bushido 2
2: Regenerate target Samurai.
2/1
Christopher Moeller
#129
Overblaze 3R
Instant - Arcane Uncommon
Each time a target permanent would deal damage this turn, it deals double that damage instead.
Splice onto Arcane 2RR
Ron Spencer
#114
Hired Muscle flips to Scarmaker
text is accurate
Arnie Swekel
#69
Sasiko, Mother of Summer 4GG
Legendary Creature - Snake Shaman Rare
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, add that much G to your mana pool. This mana doesn't cause mana burn. Until eot, this mana doesn't empty from your pool as phases end.
3/3
Michael Sutfin
#141
Nourishing Shoal XGG
Instant - Arcane Rare
You may remove a green card with cmc X in your hand from the game instead of paying ~'s mana cost.
You gain X life.
Greg Staples
#137
Goryo's Vengeance 1B
Instant - Arcane Rare
Return target legendary creature card from your graveyard to play. That creature gains haste. Remove it from the game at eot.
Splice onto Arcane 2B
Isoku
#67
And that's all, folks. Till next time, that is
cok_spoiler
Oh and - the red Baku is 1/1
(And I've verified privately to R-E that I'm the same Cok_spoiler as on mtgnews....)
Slumbering Tora 3
Artifact Rare
2, Discard a Spirit or Arcane card: ~ becomes an x/x artifact creature till eot, where X is the discarded card's converted mana cost.
Doug Chaffee
#161
Akki Raider 1R
Creature - Goblin Warrior Uncommon
Whenever a land is put into a graveyard from play, ~ gets +1/+0 till eot.
Akki were very territorial, attacking and destroying any settlements that came too close to the mountain homes. The more successful their raids, the bolder they became.
2/1
Martina Pilcerova
#92
Kami of the Honoured Dead 5WW
Creature - Spirit Uncommon
Flying.
Whenever ~ is dealt damage, you gain that much life.
Soulshift 6
3/5
Mark Zug
#12
Nezumi Shadow-Watcher B
Creature - Rat Warrior Uncommon
Sacrifice ~: Destroy target Ninja
"The Okiba Gang! Night-cursed thieves and assassins! I've had enough of their meddling! Triple the guard!" - Marrow-gnawer
1/1
Pete Venters
#74
Matsu-Tribe Sniper 1G
Creature - Snake Warrior Archer Common
t: ~ deals 1 damage to target creature with flying.
Whenever ~ deals damage to a creature, tap that creature and it doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
1/1
Carl Critchlow
#136
Ribbons of the Reikai 4U
Sorcery - Arcane Common
Draw a card for each Spirit you sontrol.
Martina Pilcerova
#50
Frost Ogre 3RR
Creature - Ogre Warrior Common
5/3
Dan Scott
#102
Minamo Sightbender 1U
Creature - Human Wizard Uncommon
X,T: Target creature with power X or less is unblockable this turn.
1/2
Luca Zontini
#41
Akki Blizzard-Herder 1R
Creature - Goblin Shaman Common
When ~ is put into a graveyard from play, each player sacrifices a land.
1/1
Pete Venters
#91
Heart of Light 2W
Enchant Creature Common
Prevent all damage that would be dealt to and by enchanted creature.
Luca Zontini
#6
Petalmane Baku 1G
Creature - Spirit Common
Whenever you play a spirit or arcane spell, you may put a ki counter on ~.
1, remove X ki counters from ~: Add X mana of any 1 colour to your mana pool.
1/2
Rebecca Guay
#139
Quillmane Baku, not Quillmage Baku
Blademane Baku 1R
Creature Spirit Common
Whenever you play a spirit or arcane spell, you may put a ki counter on ~.
1, remove X ki counters from ~: For each counter removed, ~ gets +2/+0 till eot.
Ronin Warclub 3
Artifact - Equipment Uncommon
Equipped Creature gets +2/+1.
Whenever a creature comes into play, attach ~ to it.
Equip 5.
Pete Venters
#158
Psychic Spear is a Common
Ron Spears
#78
Ronin Cliffrider 3RR
Creature - Human Samurai Uncommon
Bushido 1
Whenever ~ attacks, you may have it deal 1 damage to each creature defending player controls.
2/2
Dan Scott
#116
Taproot Kami = Traproot Kami
Unchecked Growth 2G
Instant - Arcane Uncommon
Target creature gets +4/+4 till eot. It it's a Spirit, it gains trample till eot.
Tsutomu Kawade
#148
Genju of the Realm WUBRG
Legendary Enchant Land Rare
2: Enchanted Land becomes a legendary 8/12 Spirit Creature with trample until eot. It's still a land.
When enchanted land is put into a graveyard from play, you may return ~ to owner's hand.
Scott M Fischer
#151
Three Tragedies 3BB
Sorcery - Arcane Uncommon
Target player discards 3 cards.
Darrell Riche
#87
Loam Dweller 1G
Creature - Spirit Uncommon
Whenever you play a Spirit or Arcane spell, you may out a land card into play from your hand tapped.
2/2
Paolo Parente
#134
Ashen Monstrosity 5RR
Creature - Spirit Uncommon
Haste
~ attacks each turn if able.
7/4
Chris Appelhans
#93
Kumano's Blessing 2R
Enchant Creature Common
You may play ~ any time you could play an instant.
If a creature dealt damage by enchanted creature this turn would be put into a graveyard, remove it from the game instead.
Keith Garletts
#111
Harbinger of Spring 4G
Creature - Spirit Common
Protection from non-spirit creatures.
Soulshift 4
2/1
Cara Mitten
#128
Baku Altar 2
Artifact Rare
Whenever you play a Spirit or Arcane spell, you may put a ki counter on ~.
2,T,Remove a ki counter from ~: Put a 1/1 colourless Spirit token into play.
Edward P. Beard Jr.
#152
Enjoy
Cok_spoiler
My opinion is that any card that requires you to play bad cards in order to do anything less than a guaranteed win is bad. And I'm a combo player.
Therefore, this card is not the best ever. If I want to play a card to draw 10 bad cards, I'll play collective unconscious, or something like that. At least then I'll be able to twiddle my Gaea's Cradle and play them all.
The weekend after the prerelease weekend is the Arena sneak preview weekend.
This can sometimes have different premium cards