"You cannot submit a deck that can prevent lands being played by your opponent before your opponent's third turn.
You cannot submit a deck that can cause a land that has been played by your opponent to leave play before your opponent's third turn."
The extra turn is because Braids, Pardic Miner etc. are the default, whereas instant speed discard and "I win" is unusual.
vs. 01 CalvinSchwa: OTD, Landing eats Daze, buys a turn for Denial, Venser wins. 6-0
vs. 02 Convoy_Avenger: Too slow. 6-0
vs. 03 Magus of the Aesthetic: Oof. Nice combo. 0-6
vs. 04 ManyCookies: I think my tokens just get out of hand? 6-0
vs. 05 superbajt: Denial Angrath OTD, tokens stall out. OTP no Oath = easy win. 4-1
vs. 06 Tatterhood: OTD I have diverse blockers, OTP counter Witness. 4-1
vs. 07 tomsloger: Landing slips under Drain, wins. 6-0
Also, I believe Magus of the Aesthetic sweeps everyone except CalvinSchwa, who chops it.
vs. 01 CalvinSchwa: Do I even need to counter Phyrexian Unlife? 6-0
vs. 02 ManyCookies: I goldfish faster than Lotus Bloom ticks down. 6-0
vs. 03 Mogg: Marit Lage blocks pretty good. 2-2
vs. 04 MyNameIsFourteen: I goldfish. 6-0
vs. 05 Personman: OTP, his Caverns allows Denial + Sinkhole for the draw. 4-1
vs. 06 Superbajt: Counter Purphoros, win race. 6-0
So anyway, Depths/Stage - are we sure we shouldn't take another look at it?
Anachronity is *right*, but it's slightly more complicated; OTP, I can Mana Drain turn 1, so it's actually play a forest, pass the turn, and then I can either drop Land Equilibrium and lose to the Ooze (sac Leyline), or keep Drain up and watch it get Swan Songed.
vs. 01 Anachronity: OTP, Equilibrium for the draw. 1-4
vs. 02 Curvograph: OTD, I can Commandeer Equilibrium for the win if Curvograph leads with it.
Otherwise, I drop a land into Braids and can double land ping Braids, then get Equilibrium. Eq. wins. 6-0
vs. 03 Feyd_Ruin: Can't stop the Revenge. 0-6
vs. 04 Magus of the Aesthetic: OTP, Equilibrium wins. OTD, Voidstone keeps me off it. 3-3
vs. 05 ManyCookies: OTP Equilibrium wins, OTD Drain stops the combo and Equi. forces Unmaking to win the race. 6-0
vs. 06 MyNameIsFourteen: OTP Equilibrium wins. 3-3
vs. 07 Personman: Equilibrium ties with Leyline. 2-2
vs. 08 Superbajt: Once again, Drain stops the combo (a countered Scourge goes to the Graveyard) and I narrowly win the race. 6-0
I find it funny that it's the lifegain/lifeloss of Nature's Claim and Anguished Unmaking that decided two matches.
vs. 01 Superbajt: Mutual discard annihilation, maze v. manland. 2-2
vs. 02 Personman: Discard Approach, race Battlemage. 6-0
vs. 04 MyNameIsFourteen: Journey off favours bigger threats. 0-6
vs. 05 Convoy_Avenger: OTP discard hits all, OTD Gids wins. 3-3
vs. 06 ManyCookies: Discard Riding the Dilu Horse, win race. 6-0
vs. 07 CalvinSchwa: Turn Two Gids wins. 0-6
vs. 08 Anachronity: ...stupid Savant. 0-6
vs. 09 Magus of the Aesthetic: Manland beats counters. 6-0
vs. 01 Anachronity: I can kill Ghoul forever, but Pulse kills Vraska. 2-2
vs. 02 CalvinSchwa: Mogis beats me, dang it. 0-6
vs. 03 Feyd_Ruin: ...dang yes it races. 3-3 (2 points I know)
vs. 04 Magus of the Aesthetic: Too much removal, nobody wins. 2-2
vs. 05 ManyCookies: Vessel works well. Vraska OTP draws apparently? How nice. 1-4
vs. 06 MyNameIsFourteen: I think OTP I force Countersquall on Vraska. 1-4
vs. 07 Personman: We have too much removal, nobody wins. 2-2
vs. 08 Superbajt: Yay 1 drop removal. Defeat Braids, win at leisure. 6-0
It would need to be longer than a week, I think - people take time to do stuff online.
Suggestions for it:
1) Own thread, definitely a good idea
2) Teams score the *average* of the two submissions (which must still have a 0 card overlap)
3 (kinda unrelated)) Crazy format - 2HG Pair Up! ; players are sorted (into some kind of order) and paired up with the previous and next decks in two different grids as one of the heads of a Giant. You get the total score of the two teams you were on.
So you don't know what half your deck is going to be, essentially.
vs. 01 Anachronity: Counter 1 Ascendant and Bargain. T2 Marit Lage FTW. 6-0
vs. 02 CalvinSchwa: Turn 2 Marit Lage beats Iona. 6-0
vs. 03 Magus of the Aesthetic: Counter Rude Awakening, win easily? 6-0
vs. 04 ManyCookies: Draw noted, legit, 2-2.
vs. 05 MyNameIsFourteen: Threat of Disallow slows the cats. Turn 2 Marit Lage. 6-0
vs. 06 Superbajt: EOT Stage can only be Disallowed once, not stopped. 6-0
vs. 07 Personman: Sigarda and Voidstone don't stop MARIT LAGE! 6-0
I have to be honest, I didn't put a lot of work into this. Two counters and Marit Lage just seemed... obviously good, I guess? Depths/Stage just wins fast.
vs. 01 knobbodi: Beacon wins race. 6-0
vs. 02 Mogg: OTP I counter Nezumi. 3-3
vs. 03 ManyCookies: Too much flashback. 0-6
vs. 04 Superbajt: Skulls get fractured. 2-2
vs. 06 Personman: I can stop Anurid/Denial and race Sliver. 6-0
vs. 07 Magus of the Aesthetic: Denial/Fracture beats Energy Field. 6-0
vs. 08 Convoy_Avenger: Complex, but I can't see a winning line for CA. 6-0
vs. 09 Anachronity: OTP counter Anurid, win. 3-3
vs. 10 MyNameIsFourteen: Skulls get fractured for the draw. 2-2
So anyway, I regret not going with Authochton Wurm/Nourishing Shoal + some kind of counterspell.
Less stylish, more practical.
Ah whale.
As for 3-3 results ; it's just to denote that it's win/win, not draw/draw. Many of us having been doing this for ever and are stuck in our ways on that point.
vs. 01: Feyd_Norn: He got Norn. 0-6
vs. 02 Magus of the Aesthetic: I swing for 32 before their 3rd turn win, play or draw. 6-0
vs. 03 ManyCookies: OTP, swing for 32 against infinite tapped tokens. 3-3
vs. 04 MyNameIsFourteen: Get picked apart. 0-6
vs. 05 Superbajt: Swing for 32 turn 3. 6-0
Dispute is with ManyCookies, who forgets that I swing for lethal past the three blockers (inc. lion) they can actually muster because all the tokens are tapped...
Agree with ManyCookies that in MTG, the March will kill Elesh-less tokens.
vs. 01 AvatarDylaang: OTP, Marit Lage comes out fast enough that Venser forces a swing through. 4-1
vs. 02 Convoy_Avenger: Marit Lage beats Gearhulk, Venser can take a vacation. 6-0
vs. 03 Feyd_Ruin: Marit Lage pops out, gets Unsubstantiated, then Venser pops the token, tie? 2-2
vs. 04 knobbodi: Can't see a win. 0-6
vs. 05 Magus of the Aesthetic: Can't stop Marit Lage. 6-0
vs. 06 ManyCookies: Venser beats the one non-SSG spell ManyCookies plays. 6-0
vs. 07 Mogg: Marit Lage forces Venser, 2nd Venser beats 1st Venser. 6-0
vs. 08 MyNameIsFourteen: OTP, I can Venser VG on the stack and pay the 1. 3-3
vs. 09 Superbajt: Karakas is bad for me. Can't find a good line. 0-6
Honesty correction: If I play Venser, you Mana Tithe it... and can now replay GAIV, because the last spell you played had CMC 1.
So you win.
vs. 10 tomsloger: Marit Lage beats Mayor. 6-0
Take Possession/Quagnoth/The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale/Karakas woulda been really good I think.
I'll own up to playing a really low-thought deck. "This round is too complicated. SIMPLE!"
If Duress was legal, Thoughtseize would be legal (people can submit all-land decks).
It's there to cover potentially bizarre edge cases - perhaps stuff with things like Faerie Macabre - but I don't remember how it's supposed to actually be a useful rule.
You cannot submit a deck that can cause a land that has been played by your opponent to leave play before your opponent's third turn."
The extra turn is because Braids, Pardic Miner etc. are the default, whereas instant speed discard and "I win" is unusual.
Which this one wasn't, exactly, but it does kinda invalidate a lot of decks.
vs. 01 CalvinSchwa: OTD, Landing eats Daze, buys a turn for Denial, Venser wins. 6-0
vs. 02 Convoy_Avenger: Too slow. 6-0
vs. 03 Magus of the Aesthetic: Oof. Nice combo. 0-6
vs. 04 ManyCookies: I think my tokens just get out of hand? 6-0
vs. 05 superbajt: Denial Angrath OTD, tokens stall out. OTP no Oath = easy win. 4-1
vs. 06 Tatterhood: OTD I have diverse blockers, OTP counter Witness. 4-1
vs. 07 tomsloger: Landing slips under Drain, wins. 6-0
Also, I believe Magus of the Aesthetic sweeps everyone except CalvinSchwa, who chops it.
vs. 02 ManyCookies: I goldfish faster than Lotus Bloom ticks down. 6-0
vs. 03 Mogg: Marit Lage blocks pretty good. 2-2
vs. 04 MyNameIsFourteen: I goldfish. 6-0
vs. 05 Personman: OTP, his Caverns allows Denial + Sinkhole for the draw. 4-1
vs. 06 Superbajt: Counter Purphoros, win race. 6-0
So anyway, Depths/Stage - are we sure we shouldn't take another look at it?
Ah whale.
vs. 02 Curvograph: OTD, I can Commandeer Equilibrium for the win if Curvograph leads with it.
Otherwise, I drop a land into Braids and can double land ping Braids, then get Equilibrium. Eq. wins. 6-0
vs. 03 Feyd_Ruin: Can't stop the Revenge. 0-6
vs. 04 Magus of the Aesthetic: OTP, Equilibrium wins. OTD, Voidstone keeps me off it. 3-3
vs. 05 ManyCookies: OTP Equilibrium wins, OTD Drain stops the combo and Equi. forces Unmaking to win the race. 6-0
vs. 06 MyNameIsFourteen: OTP Equilibrium wins. 3-3
vs. 07 Personman: Equilibrium ties with Leyline. 2-2
vs. 08 Superbajt: Once again, Drain stops the combo (a countered Scourge goes to the Graveyard) and I narrowly win the race. 6-0
I find it funny that it's the lifegain/lifeloss of Nature's Claim and Anguished Unmaking that decided two matches.
vs. 02 Personman: Discard Approach, race Battlemage. 6-0
vs. 04 MyNameIsFourteen: Journey off favours bigger threats. 0-6
vs. 05 Convoy_Avenger: OTP discard hits all, OTD Gids wins. 3-3
vs. 06 ManyCookies: Discard Riding the Dilu Horse, win race. 6-0
vs. 07 CalvinSchwa: Turn Two Gids wins. 0-6
vs. 08 Anachronity: ...stupid Savant. 0-6
vs. 09 Magus of the Aesthetic: Manland beats counters. 6-0
Did not realize Savant looped with Rite. Dang.
vs. 01 Anachronity: I can kill Ghoul forever, but Pulse kills Vraska. 2-2
vs. 02 CalvinSchwa: Mogis beats me, dang it. 0-6
vs. 03 Feyd_Ruin: ...dang yes it races. 3-3 (2 points I know)
vs. 04 Magus of the Aesthetic: Too much removal, nobody wins. 2-2
vs. 05 ManyCookies: Vessel works well. Vraska OTP draws apparently? How nice. 1-4
vs. 06 MyNameIsFourteen: I think OTP I force Countersquall on Vraska. 1-4
vs. 07 Personman: We have too much removal, nobody wins. 2-2
vs. 08 Superbajt: Yay 1 drop removal. Defeat Braids, win at leisure. 6-0
It would need to be longer than a week, I think - people take time to do stuff online.
Suggestions for it:
1) Own thread, definitely a good idea
2) Teams score the *average* of the two submissions (which must still have a 0 card overlap)
3 (kinda unrelated)) Crazy format - 2HG Pair Up! ; players are sorted (into some kind of order) and paired up with the previous and next decks in two different grids as one of the heads of a Giant. You get the total score of the two teams you were on.
So you don't know what half your deck is going to be, essentially.
vs. 02 CalvinSchwa: Turn 2 Marit Lage beats Iona. 6-0
vs. 03 Magus of the Aesthetic: Counter Rude Awakening, win easily? 6-0
vs. 04 ManyCookies: Draw noted, legit, 2-2.
vs. 05 MyNameIsFourteen: Threat of Disallow slows the cats. Turn 2 Marit Lage. 6-0
vs. 06 Superbajt: EOT Stage can only be Disallowed once, not stopped. 6-0
vs. 07 Personman: Sigarda and Voidstone don't stop MARIT LAGE! 6-0
I have to be honest, I didn't put a lot of work into this. Two counters and Marit Lage just seemed... obviously good, I guess? Depths/Stage just wins fast.
vs. 01 knobbodi: Beacon wins race. 6-0
vs. 02 Mogg: OTP I counter Nezumi. 3-3
vs. 03 ManyCookies: Too much flashback. 0-6
vs. 04 Superbajt: Skulls get fractured. 2-2
vs. 06 Personman: I can stop Anurid/Denial and race Sliver. 6-0
vs. 07 Magus of the Aesthetic: Denial/Fracture beats Energy Field. 6-0
vs. 08 Convoy_Avenger: Complex, but I can't see a winning line for CA. 6-0
vs. 09 Anachronity: OTP counter Anurid, win. 3-3
vs. 10 MyNameIsFourteen: Skulls get fractured for the draw. 2-2
Or in other words I agree with everyone else.
Less stylish, more practical.
Ah whale.
As for 3-3 results ; it's just to denote that it's win/win, not draw/draw. Many of us having been doing this for ever and are stuck in our ways on that point.
vs. 02 Magus of the Aesthetic: I swing for 32 before their 3rd turn win, play or draw. 6-0
vs. 03 ManyCookies: OTP, swing for 32 against infinite tapped tokens. 3-3
vs. 04 MyNameIsFourteen: Get picked apart. 0-6
vs. 05 Superbajt: Swing for 32 turn 3. 6-0
Dispute is with ManyCookies, who forgets that I swing for lethal past the three blockers (inc. lion) they can actually muster because all the tokens are tapped...
Agree with ManyCookies that in MTG, the March will kill Elesh-less tokens.
vs. 01 AvatarDylaang: OTP, Marit Lage comes out fast enough that Venser forces a swing through. 4-1
vs. 02 Convoy_Avenger: Marit Lage beats Gearhulk, Venser can take a vacation. 6-0
vs. 03 Feyd_Ruin: Marit Lage pops out, gets Unsubstantiated, then Venser pops the token, tie? 2-2
vs. 04 knobbodi: Can't see a win. 0-6
vs. 05 Magus of the Aesthetic: Can't stop Marit Lage. 6-0
vs. 06 ManyCookies: Venser beats the one non-SSG spell ManyCookies plays. 6-0
vs. 07 Mogg: Marit Lage forces Venser, 2nd Venser beats 1st Venser. 6-0
vs. 08 MyNameIsFourteen: OTP, I can Venser VG on the stack and pay the 1. 3-3
vs. 09 Superbajt: Karakas is bad for me. Can't find a good line. 0-6
Honesty correction: If I play Venser, you Mana Tithe it... and can now replay GAIV, because the last spell you played had CMC 1.
So you win.
vs. 10 tomsloger: Marit Lage beats Mayor. 6-0
Take Possession/Quagnoth/The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale/Karakas woulda been really good I think.
I'll own up to playing a really low-thought deck. "This round is too complicated. SIMPLE!"
It's there to cover potentially bizarre edge cases - perhaps stuff with things like Faerie Macabre - but I don't remember how it's supposed to actually be a useful rule.