typically a couple times a year (like 3-4), i dont think the discount has gone higher then 15/20 %. It used to be that they just had a flat out discount, but i guess a store credit bonus isnt bad either
OK, thank you. I'll wait for the next promotion then, 15% is a lot even if it's in extra store credit instead of a discount.
Looking into slowly buying into Shardless BUG - coming from Modern I have everything except for the duals. I was considering buying beat up Revised duals and having them altered into black-bordered by someone who knows their *****.
Is this a bad decision? Will this affect their value heavily? Will judges usually clear this at GPs?
Thanks in advance.
Galspanic does a pretty nice alter.
As far as alterations affecting value, it will shrink the audience of people who are willing to take it later on, but those who are willing to take it may pay more for the privilege. Personally, I don't like altered cards (except for the original artist doing a little doodle), and I won't trade for an altered card except at a heavy discount. I see it as damaged - and most stores will agree with that assessment. If they're starting as damaged, then you don't have much to lose, though.
+1. In general don't alter anything from someone who isn't the original artist unless you plan on keeping the card for a long time.
but it doesn't matter if every reserve list card is suddenly a million bucks and the format dies.
If every Reserved List card was much more expensive than now (not 1 million, obviously) it would be because Eternal formats are suddenly played by people willing to pay more for cards than now (or because interest in collecting grows, but that would remove from the tables mainly Mint cards, which are a negligible part of the print run). The format would still exist, it wouldn't die. It would just be played by richer and/or more enthusiastic people. Why are Reserved List cards much more expensive than now? Because some people are willing to pay more than what the highest "bidder" was willing to pay before.
For a Sea to be sold for $300, someone has to sell it, someone that values that money more the card. It just changes hands, but it still exists and it's still mainly demanded by players. Or by someone that expects to sell it to a player, and if he's wrong, and nobody wants to pay a higher price, he'll just drop it and some player will buy it (or another reseller, and the process repeats).
By the way, Wizards does profit from Eternal formats. They do directly in two ways (and in more ways indirectly, it's great publicity that very expensive cards exist). First, by printing new cards that are good in that format. And by reprinting cards which aren't in the List, with sets like Eternal Masters.
[quote from="Queeg »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/market-street/market-street-cafe/651725-the-legacy-price-discussion-thread?comment=360"]Dual lands are tough to gauge. There is more demand for them than almost any other Legacy staple. That said, there are also more of them in circulation than most other staples. It's tough for them to be bought out. They tend to increase in price naturally as supply dwindles. Once it hits a certain point, more people will cash in and you will see more hit the market and prices will naturally drop to adjust.
Most of the staples that are being targets of buyouts just didn't have the print run that duals have had.
A buyout is less likely for dual lands, as their "market cap" is much bigger (specially when you take into account FWB, FBB, Unlimited, Beta and Alpha), but it's not needed to make their price go up. Buyouts just accelerate the process. When people realize that the Sea/City of Traitors (or Gaea's Cradle, Lion's Eye Diamond, Serra's Sanctum, etc.) ratio is lower than before, they'll be more willing to buy Seas (or trade their City of Traitors for Seas). Then that will also make the P9/dual lands ratio smaller, which will make the P9 more expensive afterwards.
That is really, really cool. Chinese foil Desolation Angel, Riftstone Portal, Cabal Coffers playset, Tooth and Nail set, BoP.....that's quite the collection!
This is one of my favourites from that collection:
Give it time, Moat will be $1000 soon. Right now, the buyout was the initial trigger. Now, everyone who wants to sell is selling, and once those have dried up, the card will be $1000.
How much time will it need? Serious question, no sarcasm or anything. I would like to know a projected value, we can all agree that eventually Underground Sea or Volcanic Island will reach $1000 but if that "eventually" means 15 years from now its not a good investment. Its a sideboard card that only white decks can play, so i dont see it naturally growing that much in a short term.
Going from about $300 to $1000 in 15 years, assuming it's in real returns, not nominal, is a quite decent return (7.6% per year).
There's a deck posted in the Vintage section that I'd use as a starting point. It's in a thread titled "What of deck Would You Make Including EVERY Restricted Card"
I'd add some combo degeneracy action. And that's what the whole format would devolve into IMHO.
Thanks for the reply, but I don't see why you'd want to play every restricted card in the same deck. Many of them just don't make sense together.
I noticed from day one of box openings, Forces haven't really populated the market. The time to buy Forces were opening day. I wish I listened to myself, but I had faith in WotC that they weren't going to screw up these printings. The same thing they did with certain uncommoms becoming rarer, they did with Forces.
Unless you have opened some hundreds of boxes you are likely to have been fooled by randomness.
OK, thank you. I'll wait for the next promotion then, 15% is a lot even if it's in extra store credit instead of a discount.
+1. In general don't alter anything from someone who isn't the original artist unless you plan on keeping the card for a long time.
If every Reserved List card was much more expensive than now (not 1 million, obviously) it would be because Eternal formats are suddenly played by people willing to pay more for cards than now (or because interest in collecting grows, but that would remove from the tables mainly Mint cards, which are a negligible part of the print run). The format would still exist, it wouldn't die. It would just be played by richer and/or more enthusiastic people. Why are Reserved List cards much more expensive than now? Because some people are willing to pay more than what the highest "bidder" was willing to pay before.
For a Sea to be sold for $300, someone has to sell it, someone that values that money more the card. It just changes hands, but it still exists and it's still mainly demanded by players. Or by someone that expects to sell it to a player, and if he's wrong, and nobody wants to pay a higher price, he'll just drop it and some player will buy it (or another reseller, and the process repeats).
By the way, Wizards does profit from Eternal formats. They do directly in two ways (and in more ways indirectly, it's great publicity that very expensive cards exist). First, by printing new cards that are good in that format. And by reprinting cards which aren't in the List, with sets like Eternal Masters.
A buyout is less likely for dual lands, as their "market cap" is much bigger (specially when you take into account FWB, FBB, Unlimited, Beta and Alpha), but it's not needed to make their price go up. Buyouts just accelerate the process. When people realize that the Sea/City of Traitors (or Gaea's Cradle, Lion's Eye Diamond, Serra's Sanctum, etc.) ratio is lower than before, they'll be more willing to buy Seas (or trade their City of Traitors for Seas). Then that will also make the P9/dual lands ratio smaller, which will make the P9 more expensive afterwards.
Sure. And then Vintage cards will follow.
This is one of my favourites from that collection:
Going from about $300 to $1000 in 15 years, assuming it's in real returns, not nominal, is a quite decent return (7.6% per year).
Thanks for the reply, but I don't see why you'd want to play every restricted card in the same deck. Many of them just don't make sense together.
Unless you have opened some hundreds of boxes you are likely to have been fooled by randomness.