Quote from soramaro »[quote from="twicky_kid »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/new-card-discussion/774278-powering-down?comment=22"]B-but ... Limited!
Yeah, I don't care. It can't be too difficult to make a Limited format that isn't completely ripped in half by a card like Doom Blade.
Quote from scasseden »Quote from twicky_kid »Copter would have seen no play if lightning strike or doom blade was in the format. Reflector Mage is only good because there are no ETB creatures.
What other 2-drop would you play over Copter in a deck that played Copter, in a world where Lightning Strike and Doom Blade are legal?
Here's a hint, Copter is still more resilient to those spells than anything you would name, and has the highest upside of anything you would name, either. It's completely ridiculous to say that Copter wouldn't see play because of 2-mana spot removal. Harnessed Lightning already existed, was a strictly better Lightning Strike for the purposes of lining up against creatures, and was widely played in Kaladesh Standard, and Copter was still everywhere.
And Reflector Mage is great even against powerful ETBs on creatures. Siege Rhino was pushed completely out of the format in Oath of the Gatewatch Standard because of Reflector Mage, and Rhino was the poster boy of unnecessary, stupid good ETBs on good creatures for a year and a half. Hell, Reflector Mage was frequently used to bounce Ishkanah, Grafwidow when the two were in Standard together, and Ishkanah had an almost perfect ETB to line up against Mage. Your ETB effect would probably have to be literal Flametongue Kavu before your 4+ cmc creature lined up favorably against Reflector Mage. Making a token doesn't do it, because if the token is threatening enough to make bouncing your dude a bad proposition, they just bounce the token. Still leaves you the initial body, but then you played something like Wingmate Roc with no Raid trigger or Ishkanah with no Delirium - generally these are bad on rate without the token. Making multiple tokens doesn't do it either, bc multiple tokens can't actually be big enough to threaten Mage and his buddies (try to construct a fair 4-5 mana card that puts multiple tokens into play that are big enough to scare a mob of 2/3s), so you just bounce the token maker, run over the tokens and then still get an attack step with the board clear of those cards. Anything that doesn't affect the board is laughable.
There's no need to go overboard and make obviously false statements here. Yeah Standard's suffered mightily from the decline in quality of interactive spells, but your comments are ridiculous.
Quote from twicky_kid »Copter would have seen no play if lightning strike or doom blade was in the format. Reflector Mage is only good because there are no ETB creatures.
Quote from max_vergara »I agree with everything you guys said, and i also feel WotC is so desperate that they created Expeditions and Masterpieces to force sales to go up, but it won't hold for long, specially if they release 10 different products each year.
But i'm not so pessimistic. Many times people have said that Magic is gonna die, that they sold everything because the game is over and don't want to lose their investments. But time and time again they've been wrong, and those who bought in a depressed market end up making a lot of money.
Magic is too good of a game to die. Pokemon is on the rise now, there's Yugioh, there's hearthstone, there's FoW, but none of them is as good as Magic (i played pokemon and a little yugi). The game being that good means that can be affected by bad decisions and greedyness, but ultimately a couple of good decisions bring thousands of players into the game and the player base increases and prices explodes. Everything is circular, this has happened before and will happen in the future. I'm confident that Magic will recover and this is a good time to pick up some dirt cheap cards.
Quote from Saydee1800 »Wow this card is the most expensive pre release.
I haven't even seen many articles or deck list.