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You're definitely right about Nylea's Disciple. It's not a clear cut number, but we will be flooding the board so much, it would probably be even more than five life a turn.

This thread is to discuss and further develop the deck Hokey Pokey aggro. Recently presented in an article on Legit MTG, I was mostly curious what you guys thought I could have changed in the list given. What do you think a multi-colored list would look like? Here is the original list for reference...



I'm currently thinking of changing the numbers on the cost reducers. Monument is legendary, so I think a 3/3 split would have been better. Emerald has a lower CMC, too. I also think the deck doesn't have enough turn one plays. Any ideas?

I'd love to help brew some decks. Are we too late? id the tournament already happen?

Tribal clerics is something that a few people have tried, but with little actual success. Clerics are not the best aggro tribe, as they can't really hold a candle to the pumping power of goblins, slivers, or even merfolk. What's more, they don't have access to the same powerful synergies of the other tribes. Trying to build clerics as midrange or aggro will just force you to eventually fold the the fact that other tribes do those things better.

This leaves you with two options, control or combo. I don't see much in terms of powerful control cards and synergies, but there is a powerful combo at your disposal. It comes from an old archetype appropriately named Life.dec. Basically, Nomads En Kor and Shaman En Kor are interchangeable and can combine with either Daru Spiritualist or Task Force to create a creature with Infinite Toughness. Add in Condemn targeting your own creature, Starlit Sanctum, or any other cards with a similar ability and you have infinite life! From there, your opponent scoops, or you eventually win in a number of ways.

Traditionally, the tribal combo would run green for creature searches like Living Wish, but I can see you want to try and keep it White and Black. That's okay, because this color combination has plenty of options as well. This is a casual list I brewed up a while ago. We can use it as a base line.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/734983#paper

The key components are all there, but the land base should be upgraded based on what you already own, plus what your budget allows. Benevolent Bodyguard should be Mother of Runes, and your discard suite can be upgraded as well. I think something like this could work?

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/805273#paper

What do you think? Ayli is nice because she acts as a combo piece and a main deck answer to jace all in the same card. I think the win conditions could be better, but infinite damage from the guildmage isn't too bad. I'm not positive on the land count either. The old GW lists used to run Aether Vial, which could be strong here. Edgewalker might be a decent replacement, though, as he serves a similar purpose. Grand Abolisher should also be considered.

Hey there! One thing that sticks out to me about your list is Zombie Infestation. Because you are only playing 12 fatties and 16 lands I think it will be very rare that you will want to discard more than one card. Instead, I think you should play a card that allows you to discard only once card, and can help in multiple situations as well, since you have very little card sorting. Something like Funeral Charm can target you for discard, or be used as removal.

Also, Cabal Therapy can be used to target yourself as well, or simply be used to disrupt your opponent. It is probably more useful to you than Inquisition because of this.

Hey, sorry for the late reply! It's finals week and my students have been hounding me.

The first thing I would do if I really wanted to make the list better would be to change the land base. Since you have done this already, I would start looking at the creatures. Tireless Tracker is an option to consider, as are Kitchen Finks, Eternal Witness, Sidisi, Undead Vizier, and Thrun, the Last Troll. Beyond this and what you have already done, I don't think there is any room for improvements until you start to splash another color.

As far as Pod goes, I am not confident enough in my skills or testing with the card to give you a straight answer. I know that the more options (search targets) you have, the stronger the card is. This makes me think that if you want to use pod, you should splash another color, either red or white. If you want to try it with just the 2 colors I would look at 3 color nic fit pod lists and see if you can find synonymous replacements for the off-color creatures they use as pod targets.

While borders are not one of them (both have white) Third edition (revised) lands have a few differences from unlimited. Different rules text is the biggest one. Another is that Unlimited duels tend to be darker. You can make some comparisons using the links below.

http://magiccards.info/rv/en/302.html Revised Taiga

http://magiccards.info/un/en/298.html Unlimited Taiga

Thanks for the heads up, I'll fix the link asap.

UW Thopters is a great one for sure. Because you use tutors, I would start there when it comes to your sideboard. Look for artifacts and enchantments that can be used to hate out certain strategies. Additional creature hate never hurt anyone, either.

I really wish I knew an exact workaround, as I'm sure many of my readers prefer to view the guide on their phone when they are on the go. :/ If you figure something out please let me know.

I tried to word the explanation carefully so that this wouldn't be confused ("protect your token makers") but I guess I need to retype it. What I was trying to say was you could use it to protect your token makers, which could then rebuild an army. It's king of a last resort option, but it's still an option.

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Hi spooky.

I like the new format, very well done. I especially love the overview you get of all the decks and how you get redirected to the actual decklist when you click on one. And always good to see new added decks ofcourse.

Its nice to see you have included changelogs. I hope you will keep using that, as it gets super easy for us to find out whenever you post new decks.

Is the squandered resources articles completely out? It was cool once in a while to get a more decriptive explanation of some decks. Anyways I understand if it took too much time or it was hard coming up with new decks to write about.

Was it too much of a work to include the "adding more money" section as you have had in your previous primers? I know its rough work to do, but it was a quite cool extra information of the deck would optimally be. It's especially nice for people to know in decks like LEDless dredge, where they get to know that they can optimize their deck further by getting the LEDs to make it really competetive but even in the more gimmicker types of decks, it nice to have. If you find time/energy to do it in a way that doesn't screw up the format, I think you should do it.

As a last mention: remember to edit your "note" thats in the bottom of every post you make, so that you direct people to this thread and not the Primer 4 as it is now.

I'm happy to hear you like the new format! I plan to continue to use the change logs, no worries there! My Squandered Resources are certainly something I would like to continue in the future. Currently, life has gotten in the way. Being a teacher means most of my free time is spent grading and lesson planning. Maybe during the summer I will try and continue them.

The "adding more money" section is something I plan to add in the future. As of now, I just wanted to get the deck lists and initial system out to the public. This allows me to see a general reaction, how people like the new format, and fix initial bugs. As time goes on I will continue to add more decks and features.

Thanks for reminding me about my signature! I had completely forgotten.

New primer is up and running! You can find it here.

Fixed! Thanks for the heads up!

People have been having issues viewing the document on mobile. If you are trying to look at it on your phone I would suggest testing the link on a computer, or using the Google Docs app on your phone to look at it, instead of the web browser.

Thanks! I was actually very worried about the layout, and whether or not people would like it or accept it. Good to know my worries were not justified!

After two long years (has it really been THAT long?!) I have finally gotten the drive to finish version five of my budget legacy guide. As of right now, the guide has a little over 65 decks to check out, and is now using a fancy new Google Doc format. So, come on in and check out the budget lists!

As a side note, about 20 more decks are scheduled to be added within the coming week. So, be sure to check back in a bit for even more interesting budget lists!

If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, please comment, email, or whatever! I'm always open!

This guide was written for all budget-minded Legacy players. Decks have been sorted by the general archetypes of Aggro, Control, Combo, and Midrange, as well as by cost. If you have any questions, e-mail me at Spooky386@gmail.com, pm me here, or post here in this thread!

As a note to the mods, if possible I would like this thread stickied and my previous version archived. (thanks!) If the current Google Doc format is not in line with MTGSalvation forum rules please let me know as soon as possible so that I can work to reformat the content into something acceptable.