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Magic Market Index for June 8th, 2018
 
Ravnica: The Living Guildpact
 
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  • posted a message on Jund
    Turn 2 Liliana or turn 3 BBE is good but Noble Hierarch is not DRS and I don't think I would play any mana dork except DRS in BGx deck.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Abzan / The Rock
    Quote from alanyuan0408 »
    Quote from Ayiluss »
    You basically want Burning Inquiry against faster decks where you need to race. It enables the most explosive starts but that itsn't that important against slower decks. Against slower grindy decks it becomes worse so boarding out at least some copies makes sense.


    https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/a-guide-to-black-red-hollow-one-in-modern/

    I see him recommending boarding out against Grixis shadow but not Jund.

    I;ve noticed in the rivals quarter finals, Reid Duke who was on Abzan against BR hollowed one his opponent still had the burning

    He had 2 of them boarding out against Jund under the matchup and sideboard plans section of the article. He also mentioned that boarding out all of them could be possible correct but he's not sure about it.

    Generally speaking I think you want to board them out but possibly/probably not all of them. I would do so at least and also did in my games against slower grindy decks like Jund or Abzan when I tried out the deck and played a few games with it.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Primer] Mardu (Dega/BWR) Midrange
    This is basically Oliver Tiu's list (-1 Dreadbore, +1 Terminate), he ended 13th with it at GP Hardford.

    I prefer LoTV over the LtLH in the maindeck and I'm not sure about 2x Blood Moon in the md. To me Nihil Spellbomb along with 4x leyline seems a bit too much of a gy hatebut other than that I like it.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Abzan / The Rock
    You basically want Burning Inquiry against faster decks where you need to race. It enables the most explosive starts but that itsn't that important against slower decks. Against slower grindy decks it becomes worse so boarding out at least some copies makes sense.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    I wouldn't cut LoTv as she is still the main reason to play Jund or BGx deck in general. I wouldn't cut Bob either-he's not good against some decks but in general card advantage he provides is good enough to play all 4 copies. He will win games if not answered and you can always board him out against more aggressive decks like Burn.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Primer] Mardu (Dega/BWR) Midrange
    I guess I'll stick to the list with one Sacred Foundry as my only white source. After reading all these comments this makes sense, I'll just have to be more careful with fetching for it.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Primer] Mardu (Dega/BWR) Midrange
    What are your guys thoughts on Godless Shrine as a second white source? I saw Andreas Mueller playing it in his list and wondering if I should add it too. This mainly came to my minds after recent testings with the deck and got Sacred Foundry destroyed by FoR or some other land destruction and couldn't hard cast Lingering Souls anymore. It's possible that I was too aggressive with fetching for Sacred Foundry as my only white source but it's good to have full potential out of Lingering Souls against control and other attrition based decks. On the other note it seems that people (most of them at least) are aware of that we have only white source making their decision to aggressively go for Sacred Foundry pretty easy.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    It's nice to hear that Damping Spheres does some work and make the matchup more manageable. Of course it's still not great and it will never be- Tron was made to beat decks like Jund so that's expected but every point we can get it's good for us. I agree with 2/2 split between Damning Sphere and Fulminator Mage being correct. This of course can change according to the metagame but as it stands now I think this is the way to go.

    I think that 2-3 cards for Burn in sb should be enough. These are mostly different kind of life gain and while this is good against Burn you don't want to overload on them. Early pressure (Tarmogoyf on turn 2 being the best) is still the best way to beat Burn, better than gaining life.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Primer] Mardu (Dega/BWR) Midrange
    I like that list too.

    As you said 21 lands seems a buit too much but I haven't played this deck enough to tell for sure. 20 lands seems to be the standard number and it has worked for me so far. Maybe this is because there's no Manamorphose and 3x LoTV.

    I'll try 4x Leyline. I'm changing my deck between Leyline and Nihil Spellbomb but maybe 4x Leyline is the way to go. If you have it in the opening hand it's the best gy hate and overall I think it's better against Hollow One than Nihil Spelbomb because it will stay in the battlefield entire game while Nihil Spellbomb will be gone once you blow it up and they can rebuidl fairly quickly as other gy based decks can

    Second Terminate over Dreadbore seems good too. There aren't much Planeswalkers right now in Modern and against creature oriented decks like Humans or Affinity instant speed removal is better.

    I'm not sure about Blood Moon. Maybe not in the maindeck but in the sb it's still nice to have them. I haven't played much of this deck just yet and Blood Moon already has won me some games. I find it good against Humans too, at least as long as they don't have Aether Vial or Noble Hierarch.

    One thing that grab my attention is that there are no Molten Rain but Fulminator Mage instead. Most decks play Molten Rain but I don't know which one is better in this deck and why. Could someone explain it to me (I'm new to the deck)? I apologize if this has already been discussed and didn't notice it. Thanks for any help.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Quote from FlyingDelver »
    I honestly think we just have to wait until the meta changes again. Right now Jund cannot use the advantage of BBE, which makes the deck be as strong as before the unbannings. And I feel there is no good unexplored build to play right now that can crush the field. Just sit and wait then I guess. Small indication for that is also Pamplemousse again which did not submit any Jund list, but Mardu Pyromancer instead.

    I agree with this. Mardu seems to be the best midrange deck at the moment and very well positioned in my opinion, Jund not so much. We just have to wait until metagame shifts which it will sooner or later and then Jund should be better again.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    That's also an option but I'd like to keep 3x BBE in the main for now. Control and midrange are not very popular right now but you will still encounter them and I like to have a card that helps me against them in they way BBE does.

    I'm not really fan of LtLH in the main deck because there are plenty of decks she does nothing against but I have her in the sb ready to board in when I need her.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Primer] Mardu (Dega/BWR) Midrange
    Delve creatures seem to be the hardest creatures to answer which is a good argument to leave in Thoughtseize, and board out IoK. I'll try this when I play against Hollow One the next time.

    What are your thoughts about Leyline of the Void vs Nihil Spellbomb in this deck? Generally I'm not the biggest fan of Leyline because you need it in the opening hand otherwise you won't be able to play it before turn 4 and this may very well be too late against decks you bring it in. Another issue is that it doesn't affect cards that are already in gy but only cards that will enter the gy in the future. I've seen plenty of players play it in Mardu Pyromancer and looking through deck lists it seems that it's about 50:50 between the lists that play one and lists that play the other. I just don't know which one to play tbh.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    @FlyingDelver: I like your list a lot. This is the list Jund should look like in my opinion to compete against linear decks while still having game against interactive decks.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Primer] Mardu (Dega/BWR) Midrange
    It's likely that games will come to topdeck and discard is bad at that point but I think it's still quite important to take their enablers. I'm not sure how to approach this macthup and maybe you're right about boarding out discard. That said if they don't have nuts and we are able to survive early turns we're probably not in the bad shape I guess. At that sate of the game discard becomes worse indeed and if they have their best draw discard won't matter,at least on the draw.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    After reading that some people here are suggesting to lower the number of BBE I'm wondering about that myself too. At the beginning of unban 4x of BBE was the standard but with format becoming more linear and faster BBE became worse. She'a great against control and midrange decks but a lot less appealing against decks like Humans, Hollow One or Affinity. I'm not sure about this just yet but I think it's possible that going down on numbers of BBE is direction we need to go.
    Posted in: Midrange
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