An ironic problem with deadlines is some town will procrastinate on lynching if the deadline is too far away, which often leads sudden wagon-shifts at the last moment and someone getting lynched out of the blue & with little discussion to support that lynch.
About queues, diversity is good. Some players enjoy good old Mafia, some players enjoy mind-****ery, some players enjoy switching between the two. If we only have good old Mafia or only have mind-****ery, many players will get bored and/or leave. With an all-PCQ system, I'm afraid a plurality of players will end up pushing away whichever type of game they like the least, and as a consequence gradually push away the players who don't agree with that group.
@TappingStones: Stay tuned for my upcoming game!
My expectation is that we'll bounce between the various game types much more fluidly. Mind Screw falling out of fashion? Ok, let's do something a little less bastard-y. Large game hasn't fired in a while? Ok, let's give that one a shot.
I think half the problem with the basics and the current normal games is that they just. don't. change. Eventually that gets stale, and you need to switch things up.
I'm thinking another potential solution would be to add a new queue for games like that that runs independent of the size-based queues. I'm thinking "Signature" as a working title.
We've had a number of games and series go off over the years that for the most part were Specialty games, the kind of games that tend to be remembered for complexity and innovative mechanics that wouldn't generally fit in amongst the new queue designs. These games tend to bring new players into the site (hell, look at the four players we gained from NGA just for Star Trek MU4.) I'd like to propose a queue for these series and updates/reimaginings of older notable games; this might need to start as a queue of just stuff like my MU series, Mind Screw, and games like those, but could expand to be kind of a Greatest Hits of MTGS queue. Keeping these types of games running (without clogging up the existing queues with reboots) could prove to be an ongoing attraction for new players that'd expand our community. I'm imagining this as a queue where we'd want the games to ideally be in the 14-15 player range so that games aren't taking a month to fill.
12.5*4=50 (10 per plane deck*25% like original anthology)
So 10 Planes are worth half deck? A plane is worth more than 1$? Who decided this? 150 is an easy result to obtain if you make up numbers.
Price should be lower if you are buying stock of items. If single planes are worth 2$ (example), a set of 80 planes shouldn't be worth 160$ because then you can just buy singles and skip the ones you don't want.
Planechase should be a casual product and the price should be low. Let wotc make planes "rare cards" and let Planechase cater to collectors. Let's see how much this will be good for the format.
Planes are above $1 because players will pay that for them. Before this product, the few who wanted a full set of planes had to shell out quite a bit. I paid $35 for my Tazeem... not because it's good, but because I wanted the full planar set for shared deck casual/cube/EDH/whatever. I've never actually seen the "build your planar deck" variant kick off anywhere; its lack of support on MTGO is probably why Planechase as a format never became popular on there & is most likely why the only reason to buy Planechase decks was Shardless Agent. Prior to the Anthology reprint announcement, a full set of planes wasn't $160... it was closer to $300. People were paying this not because it was "good for the format," but because they genuinely enjoy Planechase games.
The point that I think has been missed is that this isn't $150 because WotC thinks that's what a full set of planes should cost. It's $150 for three reasons: the LGSes got $150 out of Duel Deck Anthology, they've proven they're willing to increase MSRP to match previous releases' secondary market prices ($7 MSRP for Modern Masters, $10 for Modern Masters 2,) and they critically failed to realize that this product shouldn't be targeted for & won't sell to the same market that bought Duel Deck Anthology. The four decks in the anthology contain the sum total of three cards that anyone cares about (Maelstrom Wanderer, Shardless Agent, Baleful Strix) & one of those three has been reprinted to death via Commaander and Eternal Masters. The collectors don't give a damn about this product necause it's all reprints & they have the originals, the competitive players don't give a damn about this product except for its potential to drive Shardless Agent down to single-digit prices, the core casual players don't give a damn about this product because it's been priced well out of the "hey, let's pick this up and change up the game for a night" range, and the "luxury casual" players who'd have the budget to buy this don't give a damn because they already have everything that's being reprinted in it, including the planar full set. Who does that leave to buy this product?
Between the almost total lack of reason for any segment of the market to buy this product and the needlessly large packaging that'll take up metric craptons of space on LGS shelves, we've got every needed element in the classic "mark it down & shovel it out" product failure recipe. I look forward to seeing LGS owners discount the hell out of this to get rid of it & have space for a product that'll actually sell at something faster than glacial speeds.
Congratulations, WotC, this one's not even on the shelves yet & it's already an obvious mistake. Only time will tell if you actually learn something from it.
The line break between the two abilities is a full line; that's only used between rules and flavor text paragraphs. The dash after Delirium on the card is a hyphen; on real cards it's an em dash (—), like in "Creature — Lhurgoyf."
Arg, first a fountain that is not a fountain, then a temple garden that does not even look like a GW land and now sacred foundry that does not even look like a LAND.
Watery Grave will be a monkey eating a hedron shaped chocolate candy in a mountain top.
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I'm thinking another potential solution would be to add a new queue for games like that that runs independent of the size-based queues. I'm thinking "Signature" as a working title.
We've had a number of games and series go off over the years that for the most part were Specialty games, the kind of games that tend to be remembered for complexity and innovative mechanics that wouldn't generally fit in amongst the new queue designs. These games tend to bring new players into the site (hell, look at the four players we gained from NGA just for Star Trek MU4.) I'd like to propose a queue for these series and updates/reimaginings of older notable games; this might need to start as a queue of just stuff like my MU series, Mind Screw, and games like those, but could expand to be kind of a Greatest Hits of MTGS queue. Keeping these types of games running (without clogging up the existing queues with reboots) could prove to be an ongoing attraction for new players that'd expand our community. I'm imagining this as a queue where we'd want the games to ideally be in the 14-15 player range so that games aren't taking a month to fill.
Thoughts? Am I just totally insane here?
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Planes are above $1 because players will pay that for them. Before this product, the few who wanted a full set of planes had to shell out quite a bit. I paid $35 for my Tazeem... not because it's good, but because I wanted the full planar set for shared deck casual/cube/EDH/whatever. I've never actually seen the "build your planar deck" variant kick off anywhere; its lack of support on MTGO is probably why Planechase as a format never became popular on there & is most likely why the only reason to buy Planechase decks was Shardless Agent. Prior to the Anthology reprint announcement, a full set of planes wasn't $160... it was closer to $300. People were paying this not because it was "good for the format," but because they genuinely enjoy Planechase games.
The point that I think has been missed is that this isn't $150 because WotC thinks that's what a full set of planes should cost. It's $150 for three reasons: the LGSes got $150 out of Duel Deck Anthology, they've proven they're willing to increase MSRP to match previous releases' secondary market prices ($7 MSRP for Modern Masters, $10 for Modern Masters 2,) and they critically failed to realize that this product shouldn't be targeted for & won't sell to the same market that bought Duel Deck Anthology. The four decks in the anthology contain the sum total of three cards that anyone cares about (Maelstrom Wanderer, Shardless Agent, Baleful Strix) & one of those three has been reprinted to death via Commaander and Eternal Masters. The collectors don't give a damn about this product necause it's all reprints & they have the originals, the competitive players don't give a damn about this product except for its potential to drive Shardless Agent down to single-digit prices, the core casual players don't give a damn about this product because it's been priced well out of the "hey, let's pick this up and change up the game for a night" range, and the "luxury casual" players who'd have the budget to buy this don't give a damn because they already have everything that's being reprinted in it, including the planar full set. Who does that leave to buy this product?
Between the almost total lack of reason for any segment of the market to buy this product and the needlessly large packaging that'll take up metric craptons of space on LGS shelves, we've got every needed element in the classic "mark it down & shovel it out" product failure recipe. I look forward to seeing LGS owners discount the hell out of this to get rid of it & have space for a product that'll actually sell at something faster than glacial speeds.
Congratulations, WotC, this one's not even on the shelves yet & it's already an obvious mistake. Only time will tell if you actually learn something from it.
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Ancient Stirrings getting banned would be the end of Tron; I don't think they're going for that.
What I want: Eldrazi Temple, Eldrazi Mimic banned
What'll probably happen: Eye of Eldrazi banned
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The line break between the two abilities is a full line; that's only used between rules and flavor text paragraphs. The dash after Delirium on the card is a hyphen; on real cards it's an em dash (—), like in "Creature — Lhurgoyf."
Archiveward this goes
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