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  • posted a message on Russia, the possibility they hacked the DNC, and the possibility they're next for an Iraq WMD situation
    Yes, threatconnect and crowd strike and more have both identified a number of signatures in APT28/29 (AKA Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear) and fingered them as who did this.

    As for the Russian government, the actions of Sputnik/RT speak volumes. Particularly using wikileaks and getting Jill Stein to talk for them. It looks just like stuff Russia has being doing in Eastern Europe for years.
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  • posted a message on New evidence uncovered by the Washington Post puts scary new spin on the "Fake News" Crisis -- It really was Russia all along
    DJK -- I don't think anyone is really saying that Russia rigged it. This was an indirect attack, not a direct one like changing the results themselves.

    Also, somewhat Ironic is that ZeroHedge was the first site that was discovered to be Russian Propaganda, way back in April of this year when one of the staff got fed up with the ridiculous editorial line and went public.


    Quote from Typho0nn »
    If it was them it is still not the Russians.
    In case you missed it somehow: Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear are Russian.

    All Russia identified hacking groups get Bear nicknames, if that wasn't obvious. It's the naming scheme crowdstrike, and others potentially, use

    Panda = China
    Bear = Russia
    Kitten = Iran
    India = Tiger
    North Korea = Chollima (a mythical winged horse)

    Non-Nation-State Adversaries

    Jackal = Activist groups
    Spider = Criminal groups



    You have repeatedly evaded K's question. I'd like to see some evidence, anything, about wikileaks accuracy.
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  • posted a message on Practicality of calling a racist a racist in a debate
    BS, I wonder sometimes about the most effective ways to reach people like this. Make more schools show American History X to their 9th graders? Seems to me that as attention spans have 'shrunk' in the modern world that media and such are the ways to show people the dark side of white nationalism in a way that also shows redemption? You're right on the money when it comes to the neo-nazi/gang connection there, but thats largely because the actual Neo-Nazi cells fit the same role that the gangs do in the inner city, right? I almost want to call your comparison cheating :p
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  • posted a message on New evidence uncovered by the Washington Post puts scary new spin on the "Fake News" Crisis -- It really was Russia all along
    This is some scary stuff man Frown Reagan would be spinning in his grave if he knew that the Republican Party just sold out to Russia to win an election. Or even worse, if they got legit played.
    Yeah, it's like we entered the Twilight Zone or something. True, Dubya talked a bit chummy about Putin at the outset, but that was a combination of his general good-naturedness and Putin's initial pro-Western overtures. For a xenophobic isolationist Republican in 2016 to act like the Russian strongman is friendly to America is just... upside-down. That's supposed to be the sort of naïve bleating coming out of the Jill Steins of the world.

    At least Pence and Romney still talk tough about Russia.

    And McCain, for that matter, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1IS38JIFY4 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/a-trump-administration-thaw-with-russia-is-unacceptable-mccain-says/2016/11/15/a3b5c4da-ab5a-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html

    This is baffling to me, too, dude. We're so afraid of so many countries for some many things, but the ex-KGB officer who has been either officially or de facto in charge for... 17 years? That's the guy we can trust.

    I mean, at least Putin isn't Hillary Clinton, I hear she kills her political opponents and even journalists sometimes!
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  • posted a message on New evidence uncovered by the Washington Post puts scary new spin on the "Fake News" Crisis -- It really was Russia all along
    Quote from Hackworth »
    Even if it doesn't turn out to be pushed by Russia, the fact that we're living in a society where people can make a living coming up with and selling completely fake news to the entire world is kind of worrying.

    Not the entire world as NPR interviewed one of the guys who trafficks in fake news said "We've tried to do similar things to liberals. It just has never worked, it never takes off. You'll get debunked within the first two comments and then the whole thing just kind of fizzles out"

    The evidence here comes at the tail end of other evidence I've read during this campaign. The DHS/DNI letter was my big big wake up call, and this whole "fake news" thing that people started talking about after the election, and then to find out multiple research teams have been tracking how it was lead by the Russian government with the goal to get a more pliant leader for my country? Makes that time he asked Russia to keep hacking us seem a lot worse (and it wasn't exactly roses at the time)

    This is some scary stuff man Frown Reagan would be spinning in his grave if he knew that the Republican Party just sold out to Russia to win an election. Or even worse, if they got legit played.
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  • posted a message on New evidence uncovered by the Washington Post puts scary new spin on the "Fake News" Crisis -- It really was Russia all along
    Source Link

    Quote from first two paragraphs of the article »
    The flood of “fake news” this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation.

    Russia’s increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery — including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human “trolls,” and networks of Web sites and social-media accounts — echoed and amplified right-wing sites across the Internet as they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers. The effort also sought to heighten the appearance of international tensions and promote fear of looming hostilities with nuclear-armed Russia.

    Hey all, been gone for awhile, and then I saw this today and... I don't even know man. This has been a pretty ridiculous election year and now this? Forget being down 2 million votes, now we're in pseudo-Manchurian candidate territory here.

    Thoughts? What do we, as a country, do when our elections get attacked?
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  • posted a message on Prime Speaker Zegana - Need Help with Choices
    Where is your manabase? Tell us what you're planning on running.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Gender neutral bathrooms.
    As someone who has helped to put on multiple years of Gender Neutral Bathroom Week at my university (Washington State University - Vancouver) there are some things that need to get put out there that have been understandably missed so far (and FD4, you know you can always PM questions about what us libruls are doing Wink

    1. Trans people need more protection in the bathroom, not less.

    For all the talk in North Carolina about protecting women by introducing superfluous legislation, they aren't the ones at risk when it comes to bathroom violence relating to a trans individual. The person in risk is the transgender one. The odds of someone getting attacks for not looking like they belong is significantly higher than the odds than a trans person is just trying to creep and as has been said, people creep anyway and we already have laws against creeping.

    2. Even without direct violence, trans people suffer when it comes to using the restroom.

    One of the first things after a particular incident happened at WSUV, we publicly showed the documentary Toilet Training. TL;DR is that there are a ton of problems trans people face in the bathroom because of social issues. The problem in question that happened on WSUV was that a F2M person was trying to go into the mens room and was rebuked. They were told to use their own restroom, the womens one. This individual, dejected, walked the few feet across the hall to the womens restroom and was rebuked.

    Like many Trans people, this person just held it. Fun fact, being trans increases your risk of bladder cancer. Turns out holding it in until you get home is bad for your health, and yet, because of discrimination in restrooms those people have a shortened lifespan.

    3. In 5 years of GNBW, the university had no complaints

    Other than people complaining because, unlike FD4, they were still worked up over it. We had a shock jock in Portland freak out, for some reason. People said we were going to have tons of problems and... nothing happened. People peed next to someone with different genitals and... the world carried on. I washed my hands next to a lady. I was fine.

    Oh, I think our bathrooms got a little cleaner because people didn't like looking like a slob next to people they were attracted to so... +1 for unisex restrooms!
    Posted in: Debate
  • posted a message on Story Behind Username?
    Ooooh, oooh, so there is this card called Elvish Piper and when I was a teenager I thought that, heh ehheh eheh, that, heheh, that it should be Elvish CRACK Piper, hahaha. You know... uhh, because drugs are funy?Y?YY?
    Posted in: Talk and Entertainment
  • posted a message on The locking of the Donald Trump thread
    It's being locked for the evening and you kinda enumerated multiple reasons why people should take a break


    Oh, and if this is the most shameful thing you've ever seen a moderator do you've clearly never been to websites with a strong, partisan slant to them.
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  • posted a message on How do people from other countries see the United States' Election as?
    Speaking to the comments about the Caucus process, screw that noise. Caucus's are a mess that made plenty of sense before the advent of the telephone when you needed some way to convert the votes of farmers in the middle of nowhere into county/state/national delegates and then a nomination but in our modern world I am all for primaries. In every single caucus state so far, on both sides, their has been a bunch of weird, underhanded shenanigans by the people who are experienced at screwing around with caucuses and for what? I'm aware of the various tradeoffs between IRV and the like, but within a state level whatever advantage that caucus's had over primaries is long gone.

    I didn't have much of a problem with them until, well, I have to (get to?) run a caucus for my precinct this year as I'm a PCO for the Democrats. Fun.

    Oh, and random anecdote. I was in the Navy from 2005-2009 and, during out 2008 deployment my ship stopped off in Singapore and I can still remember shopkeepers putting up hand drawn campaign ads on their windows imploring us to vote for Obama! I didn't know how to process that at the time since I didn't get really politically activated until 2011, but damn, isn't that something?
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  • posted a message on Can anyone in the Magic universe beat Goku?
    1. Typically in versus debates, one assumes that abilities are basically the same, otherwise you get into pointless semantics like "does The Force affect chakra?" Or "Who knows if people in dragonball have the same biology as people in Magic, so maybe Jace/Bolas wouldn't even know how to affect their minds, or maybe their magic wouldn't work at all!" No, that's boring and undermines the whole scenario. Dragonball uses Ki, Magic uses mana, but for the purposes of a versus debate, they're both just "energy". Similarly, mind control stemming from an application of Ki has to be assumed to work the same as mind control stemming from the usage of mana. Nappa, being the juggernaut he was, was able to block Chaozu's mental manipulation just by using his ki.

    Typically? According to whom? Chaozu's mental abilities work no differently than any other ki based moves in Dragonball that can be shrugged off with a sufficiently high power level. If you want to use a better example of how true magic works in the DBZ universe then Babidi is a clearer example to use. An example which also disproves the "it's just energy" argument you tried to make. Questions like "does The Force affect Chakra" are valid because it would determine how sensing works. The biology question is significantly less interesting as their is little indication that basic biology is different. Hell, the reason that Goku isn't a blood knight like the rest of the Saiyan's has been chocked up to him suffering brain damage as a youth.

    So, no, I won't grant equivalence between Chaozu's mindfreaker abilities and something that works in a different fashion. The fact that it's ki vs mana isn't the issue, but that both work separately.

    2. A character's narrative importance does not at all factor into these things. If that was the case, then Spiderman would be more powerful than The One Above All, and that clearly isn't the case. Chaozu may have been a third string character, but the fact is he had mind powers that far exceeded anything we've seen most Magic characters produce.

    It works like this: Chaozu was a supporting character to a minor antagonist. He was never written to be all that powerful. Using his mental abilities as an argument against character from an entirely different property is foolish. Seriously, I don't know how you wrote this "assume that Chaozu's mind magic is equivalent to Jace's or Nicol Bolas'" without choking. Chaozu equal to Jace? Equal to NICOL BOLAS? Ludicrous.

    Your spiderman argument is a non-starter. Shared Universe in a Western Comic. Different rules (and within his own narrative he rarely stays down for long, or loses for long, just like every other traditional story with the only difference being scale)

    Chaozu exceeding most magic characters is irrelevant. Most magic characters don't specialize in mental magic and the two you name dropped blow him out the water

    Cool, you're intangible. What does that mean when Goku can literally punch through a planet 10x as dense as Earth when he's in Super Saiyan 3? What does intangibility do for you when Vegeta in the Saiyan Arc is powerful enough to destroy Earth with a single attack, and that's before he transforms into the oozaru, which makes him 10x stronger? Here's what good it is:

    >Goku fires a kamehameha
    >you turn intangible
    >your planet gets destroyed
    >Goku uses instant transmission and goes to some place else
    >you're left floating in space because while his attack didn't damage you, it destroyed everything around you

    That's a win for Goku.

    As I said before, DBZ is just on a completely different power tier.

    ADDENUDM: I would be remiss not to mention that dragonball characters were moving faster than regular humans could see by the end of the very first arc (And I mean Dragonball, not Dragonball Z, so back when Goku was still a kid). In the first arc of Z, the Saiyan arc, characters were moving so fast you couldn't see them except by tracking their ki.

    What does all this mean? It means that before you even think to become intangible you'd be dead.

    Because Goku commonly strikes first? Doesn't talk at all? And destroys the entire planet with it's presumably millions of innocents on it? Your argument here is completely contradictory to the character.

    Ultimately, Nicol Bolas would defeat Goku by talking to him. No magic required. Because Goku is an idiot and Nicol Bolas isn't a mustache twirling Toriyama villain.
    Posted in: The Versus Forum
  • posted a message on What is your profession/education?
    Quote from Crashing00 »
    Quote from Frostdragon4 »
    Dude, seriously you just gave away enough information to basically just tell anyone interested to come find you. There are some people so skilled they can use a photograph of you to find you. Seen it done. It's crazy stuff, seen it done by amateur sleuths without much issue.

    You're probably right, I will reduce the degree of specificity.

    No probably about it. I've tracked people down to get divorce papers sent with no more than what kind of job they have, what region of the state they live in, and a willingness to pretend to be a manager for a Red Lobster. Then the Bounty Hunter we knew served the guy some divorce papers.

    Fun day. Did it all on my phone from a coffee shop.

    I'm kinda sad I haven't been active lately because if I'd read FD4's comment before you edit'd your original remark I'd have found you just because I like puzzles and, well, "ECP says what up brosef" is probably a best case scenario :p

    @The Op

    I graduated *** laude in Psychology, Business and Sales. I don't know if I want to claim that I'm necessarily an autodidact, per se, outside the notion that, of course, everyone is self taught to an extent, but I'm a published artist, I've run a political satire website (and just got tapped to be the EiC of a magazine that I get to create alongside some really interesting people) as well as actual electoral campaigns and the occasional bit of citizen lobbying at my state capitol. I've also been a teacher, military vet, all kinds of wonky stuff. Oh, and I'm reasonably well versed in a wide range of topics due, in part, to a particular member of this forum insisting I buy a bunch of books I otherwise wouldn't (thanks man Smile
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  • posted a message on DC's Legends of Tomorrow
    If they keep to the "each season is a different cast" that I've heard rumors of, I'd give 2:1 that he's the time traveler lead character for Season 3 with small Cameo at the start of the second season.

    Also, what the hell is with this "let's knock the bad guy out and then just leave him there" supposed to be? They need to do a better job with making Casper feel threatening.

    Although damn near everything involving Canary, Cold, Heatwave, and Stein is gooooolden. I could do without the hawk people and [strike]Superman[/strike]Atom, though
    Posted in: Television
  • posted a message on Can anyone in the Magic universe beat Goku?
    Quote from TerrorKingA »
    Quote from PinoyWalker »
    jace, the mind sculptor can beat gokku. he cannot win without his memories. same with Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker mind control. self destructs himself.

    Not in Dragonball. That's just not how the verse works.

    For example, Chaozu is a known mindfreaker, but when he tried to invade Nappa's mind it didn't work because Nappa's power was just so much greater than his. If one's to assume that Chaozu's mind magic is equivalent to Jace's or Nicol Bolas', both Jace and Bolas would be unable to read Goku's thoughts, let alone control him.

    As for who could beat him... nobody alive right now, that's for sure. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is a hell of a drug, and we now know that Super Saiyan 3 Goku has enough raw strength to punch a hole through a planet 10x as dense as Earth. So yeah. It's a complete massacre of the entire Magic pantheon of characters.

    Except that mtg style mind control doesn't work like DBZ's does, or at least Chaozu. Also, why would you assume a supporting character is equivalent to a main character or arch villains powers? That argument is narrative bonkers.

    You've also ignored that not everything in mtg goes off of pure strength. You know whats hard to punch through? Intangibility. Who cares about raw strength when you can just negate what Goku is doing.
    Posted in: The Versus Forum
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