Quote from Blinking Spirit »Quote from Typho0nn »If it was them it is still not the Russians.In case you missed it somehow: Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear are Russian.
Quote from Typho0nn »If it was them it is still not the Russians.
Quote from Blinking Spirit »Quote from Elvish Crack Piper »This is some scary stuff man Reagan would be spinning in his grave if he knew that the Republican Party just sold out to Russia to win an election. Or even worse, if they got legit played.Yeah, it's like we entered the Twilight Zone or something. True, Dubya talked a bit chummy about Putin at the outset, but that was a combination of his general good-naturedness and Putin's initial pro-Western overtures. For a xenophobic isolationist Republican in 2016 to act like the Russian strongman is friendly to America is just... upside-down. That's supposed to be the sort of naïve bleating coming out of the Jill Steins of the world.
At least Pence and Romney still talk tough about Russia.
Quote from Elvish Crack Piper »This is some scary stuff man Reagan would be spinning in his grave if he knew that the Republican Party just sold out to Russia to win an election. Or even worse, if they got legit played.
Quote from Hackworth »Even if it doesn't turn out to be pushed by Russia, the fact that we're living in a society where people can make a living coming up with and selling completely fake news to the entire world is kind of worrying.
Quote from first two paragraphs of the article »The flood of “fake news” this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation.
Russia’s increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery — including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human “trolls,” and networks of Web sites and social-media accounts — echoed and amplified right-wing sites across the Internet as they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers. The effort also sought to heighten the appearance of international tensions and promote fear of looming hostilities with nuclear-armed Russia.
1. Typically in versus debates, one assumes that abilities are basically the same, otherwise you get into pointless semantics like "does The Force affect chakra?" Or "Who knows if people in dragonball have the same biology as people in Magic, so maybe Jace/Bolas wouldn't even know how to affect their minds, or maybe their magic wouldn't work at all!" No, that's boring and undermines the whole scenario. Dragonball uses Ki, Magic uses mana, but for the purposes of a versus debate, they're both just "energy". Similarly, mind control stemming from an application of Ki has to be assumed to work the same as mind control stemming from the usage of mana. Nappa, being the juggernaut he was, was able to block Chaozu's mental manipulation just by using his ki.
2. A character's narrative importance does not at all factor into these things. If that was the case, then Spiderman would be more powerful than The One Above All, and that clearly isn't the case. Chaozu may have been a third string character, but the fact is he had mind powers that far exceeded anything we've seen most Magic characters produce.
Cool, you're intangible. What does that mean when Goku can literally punch through a planet 10x as dense as Earth when he's in Super Saiyan 3? What does intangibility do for you when Vegeta in the Saiyan Arc is powerful enough to destroy Earth with a single attack, and that's before he transforms into the oozaru, which makes him 10x stronger? Here's what good it is:
>Goku fires a kamehameha
>you turn intangible
>your planet gets destroyed
>Goku uses instant transmission and goes to some place else
>you're left floating in space because while his attack didn't damage you, it destroyed everything around you
That's a win for Goku.
As I said before, DBZ is just on a completely different power tier.
ADDENUDM: I would be remiss not to mention that dragonball characters were moving faster than regular humans could see by the end of the very first arc (And I mean Dragonball, not Dragonball Z, so back when Goku was still a kid). In the first arc of Z, the Saiyan arc, characters were moving so fast you couldn't see them except by tracking their ki.
What does all this mean? It means that before you even think to become intangible you'd be dead.
Quote from Crashing00 »Quote from Frostdragon4 »Dude, seriously you just gave away enough information to basically just tell anyone interested to come find you. There are some people so skilled they can use a photograph of you to find you. Seen it done. It's crazy stuff, seen it done by amateur sleuths without much issue.
You're probably right, I will reduce the degree of specificity.
Quote from Frostdragon4 »Dude, seriously you just gave away enough information to basically just tell anyone interested to come find you. There are some people so skilled they can use a photograph of you to find you. Seen it done. It's crazy stuff, seen it done by amateur sleuths without much issue.
Quote from TerrorKingA »Quote from PinoyWalker »jace, the mind sculptor can beat gokku. he cannot win without his memories. same with Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker mind control. self destructs himself.
Not in Dragonball. That's just not how the verse works.
For example, Chaozu is a known mindfreaker, but when he tried to invade Nappa's mind it didn't work because Nappa's power was just so much greater than his. If one's to assume that Chaozu's mind magic is equivalent to Jace's or Nicol Bolas', both Jace and Bolas would be unable to read Goku's thoughts, let alone control him.
As for who could beat him... nobody alive right now, that's for sure. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is a hell of a drug, and we now know that Super Saiyan 3 Goku has enough raw strength to punch a hole through a planet 10x as dense as Earth. So yeah. It's a complete massacre of the entire Magic pantheon of characters.
Quote from PinoyWalker »jace, the mind sculptor can beat gokku. he cannot win without his memories. same with Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker mind control. self destructs himself.