Dromoka's Command seems interesting. I'll be testing it for sure in some up coming FNMs. I'm a little hesitant to think it would replace PtE just because of its WG cost. Two mana is a lot, I can't count the games I won vs. Twin and Infect because I only had one mana up and PtE in hand...
PtE, Stony Silence, and Nature's Claim answer Spellskite just fine and Fog is a decent answer to Deflecting Palm. A blue splash would be hard on the mana since the deck wants turn one green, turn two any combination of green and white, and turn 3 double white.
Fog does not work against Deflecting Palm as the player being dealt damage gets to choose which prevention effect to apply.
God I love how unintuitive Magic can be sometimes... but you are correct. Thanks for pointing that out.
PtE, Stony Silence, and Nature's Claim answer Spellskite just fine and Fog is a decent answer to Deflecting Palm. A blue splash would be hard on the mana since the deck wants turn one green, turn two any combination of green and white, and turn 3 double white.
I've never had an increase in mana issues since cutting Anticipate. For me, 90% of the time I cast it was to find an answer. Don't be afraid to mull and know how to scry and you'll be all set. Digging for a Dragon to turn on Scorn was nice, but it never came up often and usually whiffed anyways.
Not claming to have the optimal build, just throwing out another perspective since it was on topic. To each his own
Do you think you can afford to cut anticipates?
I'm actually on the fence about that card. : /.
Me too but it's good early for hitting land drops and good late for digging through the deck faster. I just don't want to see it in multiples. I've taken it to 2x, to draw roughly one per game on average.
I do like moving the UPs to the sideboard in favor of the third bile and foul-tongue main.
I am currently trying to make room for ashiok/vault in the main.
I've done this and haven't missed Anticipate at all. All it ever did for me was make a counter or removal spell cost 1U more, so might as well just turn them into counters and removal. I've also cut Ultimate Price from the main in favor of a full set of Invocations and a 3/3 on BB and Downfall.
The decklist section will be updated by next week since that's going to take quite a bit of time. I'll also start work on the match up section finally with some of the tier 1 match ups covered.
Main body of the primer has been updated. Please read it over guys and let me know if I missed anything. I also went through the SB list and removed references to banned cards and defunct decks as well as added Fog to the list.
After a long break from Modern (well all of constructed actually) I'm back. I'll be updating the primer in the next week but I could use some help! I need updated decklists and any match up info you guys want to share.
I played poor-man's Bogle at this past FNM and took first It felt good to load up a Bogle with Auras and swing my way to victory! I look forward to getting back into it
hi guys, i really don't understand why everybody prefer playing ethersworn canonist over eidolon of rhetoric...can someone tell me why the first is better?
canonist : costs 1 less, so you can play it one turn before
eidolon : doesn't die by any bolt, and pump ethereal armor
And Rule of Law is better than Eidolon since it doesn't die to creature removal But Canonist gets played over both because it comes down a turn faster and is easier to cast... Especially since everyone is dipping below 20 lands and no longer running Noble Hierarch...
Hey guys! Long time no see! Sorry about not being around to update the primer, me and Theros block didn't get a long so I took a break from competitive magic for a bit and neglected to pass the torch.
PM me if you are interested in taking over the primer full time or if you want to help me by writing match up analysis and/or helping me update the card selections. Though it looks like the deck didn't evolve much since I last logged on
I'll go with these are pointless. Mainly because they're constructed by humans, and not randomly opened or simulated by a randomized process.
Totally understand people's want/need to practice decision making for Limited before participating, but this doesn't seem like a profitable way to do it.
These are far from pointless. This is about discussion more than 'pick bomb, pass pack'. I for one have learned more about early limited formats in these threads than anywhere else. Also, fnord generates some interesting packs with tough choices that feel more 'random' than the generator at bestiaire.
If you want to draft a full 45 with mindless bots then go at it, but you'll get no feed back or insight about your picks and you could be going about it all wrong and not even know it. Sometimes an outside perspective helps.
Keep it up fnord, I'm grateful that you take out of your personal time to generate these for us every set!
what would be some sideboard cards you would recommend for this deck when thinking about the mirror match?
also, how do you guys deal with blood moons?
Depends on what's in your SB. Spellskite is an obvious choice and any Disenchant cards you might have. Just don't take out more than the main deck PtE, it's important not to dilute your explosiveness, it's going to come down to who has the bigger Bogle the fastest.
The color shift frame just indicates that a card is based on another card but color shifted. Plenty of cards in Planar Chaos were off-color without being color shifted. The entire point of Planar Chaos is that many of the cards have abilities that could make sense in colors, but don't with the current (At-the-time) color pie.
You do realize that Fledgeling Mawcor is based off of Mawcor which both have an ability that's been in blues slice since the dawn of Magic? So just because a card was in Planar Chaos doesn't mean it's out of it's slice.
^ Black Pyroclasm... or as close as it gets. Don't understand why people think this is out of Blue's pie... Rapid Hybridization en mass shouldn't be that much of a stretch.
I think it's a great card, a one sided 'handle annoying dudes' while not being too absurd in a control deck... Or just run this along side a set of Staticasters........
God I love how unintuitive Magic can be sometimes... but you are correct. Thanks for pointing that out.
Not claming to have the optimal build, just throwing out another perspective since it was on topic. To each his own
I've done this and haven't missed Anticipate at all. All it ever did for me was make a counter or removal spell cost 1U more, so might as well just turn them into counters and removal. I've also cut Ultimate Price from the main in favor of a full set of Invocations and a 3/3 on BB and Downfall.
Here's my current list:
3x Dragonlord Ojutai
3x Silumgar, the Drifting Death
1x Dragonlord Silumgar
PW's
1x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
1x Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
Removal
4x Foul-Tongue Invocation
3x Hero's Downfall
3x Bile Blight
2x Crux of Fate
Counter
4x Silumgar's Scorn
3x Dissolve
4x Dig Through Time
1x Dragonlord's Prerogative
Mana
4x Temple of Deceit
4x Dismal Backwater
4x Polluted Delta
3x Temple of Enlightenment
3x Island
2x Swamp
2x Caves of Koilos
2x Haven of the Spirit Dragon
2x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3x Drown in Sorrow
2x Virulent Plague
1x Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
2x Risen Executioner
2x Negate
1x Stratus Dancer
1x Dragonlord's Prerogative
2x Cranial Archive
1x Dragonlord Silumgar
Main body of the primer has been updated. Please read it over guys and let me know if I missed anything. I also went through the SB list and removed references to banned cards and defunct decks as well as added Fog to the list.
I played poor-man's Bogle at this past FNM and took first It felt good to load up a Bogle with Auras and swing my way to victory! I look forward to getting back into it
And Rule of Law is better than Eidolon since it doesn't die to creature removal But Canonist gets played over both because it comes down a turn faster and is easier to cast... Especially since everyone is dipping below 20 lands and no longer running Noble Hierarch...
PM me if you are interested in taking over the primer full time or if you want to help me by writing match up analysis and/or helping me update the card selections. Though it looks like the deck didn't evolve much since I last logged on
Thanks!
Never ever play a EtBT land in Bogle. The first turn G is too essential.
These are far from pointless. This is about discussion more than 'pick bomb, pass pack'. I for one have learned more about early limited formats in these threads than anywhere else. Also, fnord generates some interesting packs with tough choices that feel more 'random' than the generator at bestiaire.
If you want to draft a full 45 with mindless bots then go at it, but you'll get no feed back or insight about your picks and you could be going about it all wrong and not even know it. Sometimes an outside perspective helps.
Keep it up fnord, I'm grateful that you take out of your personal time to generate these for us every set!
Depends on what's in your SB. Spellskite is an obvious choice and any Disenchant cards you might have. Just don't take out more than the main deck PtE, it's important not to dilute your explosiveness, it's going to come down to who has the bigger Bogle the fastest.
Vs. Blood Moon we fetch our sole Forest and use either Nature's Claim/Deglamer or drop a Seal of Primordium before BM resolves...
You do realize that Fledgeling Mawcor is based off of Mawcor which both have an ability that's been in blues slice since the dawn of Magic? So just because a card was in Planar Chaos doesn't mean it's out of it's slice.
^ Black Pyroclasm... or as close as it gets. Don't understand why people think this is out of Blue's pie... Rapid Hybridization en mass shouldn't be that much of a stretch.
I think it's a great card, a one sided 'handle annoying dudes' while not being too absurd in a control deck... Or just run this along side a set of Staticasters........