It.. depends. High-demand, big-ticket items like the Fetchlands may not actually see much of a dip. Usually Modern Masters only slows down their growth for a short period of time. It's the sub-10 dollar cards, particularly those printed at uncommon and common, that get demolished. You can find these cards for half of the original price during the time people are cracking a MM set.
So, for example, you want to be gobbling up stuff like Ranger of Eos (currently $8, I see it being $4 or below temporarily) and not things like fetches, Liliana, or Snapcaster. I actually suspect Grislebrand will fall into this category and take a decent sized hit to its price, since it never really has taken off to the stratosphere in the first place.
They were all on display during Grand Prix Vancouver. As Modern-tournament spikes go, this one was pretty mild, actually. Not too many things blew up. Those that did probably will subside a bit.
Collar is tech with Eldrazi because it works very well with Walking Ballista and Endbringer. I don't know anything about Cheerios except that it did not top 8, so... not sure where the spike is coming from.
I have not yet heard any ban supporter, or media outlet, compare the old "regular" vetting to the "extreme" vettingv that this ban was supposed to buy time to set up. That is, what was so wrong with our already vigorous processes?
Without that, the ban is more of a message than anything else. And it resonates with people who have the impression -wrongly - that we do not already vet immigrants or that there is a flood of refugees from Syria pouring into camps like we see in Eastern Europe. In that sense, it more horns for the conservative echo chamber than policy.
Three bannings in Standard is not the sign of a healthy standard, and that's something that should have been caught in R&D. Hence, tailspin.
It's a mistake to assume that a bad standard lead to the bans. It's more of a change in ban list philosophy than in the format.
Remember, they changed their whole banning philosophy recently, deciding to get more aggressive with formats and ban more frequently to keep things fresh and fun. I believe that the announcement came with a discussion of how they, in retrospect, wished that they had banned Collected Company last year, yes? And, perhaps, they wished they had banned components of Blue/Black devotion before that? Or Siege Rhino? I don't think it's fair to paint all of these formats as being bad. Different strokes for different folks. But, it is true that WotC is clearly getting more muscular about banning to shake things up when they need to.
If you want to ignore all that, fine - you can fling insults about undies in wads to someone else.
Describing the tensed-up state of your loins was not an insult but an idiom referencing the fact that you are complaining about something. You're perfectly free to complain, but don't get all huffy if someone calls it out.
Here's why I care about people posting these kind of complaints. I don't know if this is why other people bother to respond, but this is my take. It's not about Arguing on the Internet. It's about reaching other players and WotC employees who either read forums or get referred to ideas organically that we discuss. Clearly, there is enough diversity among Magic players to ensure someone complains about everything. But, a counterpoint should be made when the complaint goes to something important that might eventually influence people at WotC.
I worry about complaints like yours because it suggests what WotC should do is print "safe" cards. Go back to Homelands or Masques or Kamigawa. This isn't a guarantee that Standard won't generate complaints (Theros was so weak that decks based on getting lots of mana symbols on the table dominated, lol) but it's certainly a way to minimize the risk of having to restrict something. I would be very unhappy with a timid printing policy like that.
There are plenty of players, I'm one of them, who prefers a more aggressive approach. Print interesting and unique cards, and don't be afraid to push the envelope. If you do not, then it's hard to impact eternal much. Then, if you need to, manage the format using the Banned and Restricted lists.
Does that put the undergarment comment in a broader context?
It's easy to understand that, though. From the instant it was spoiled, it was obvious to everyone that it was playable. People know that a Vintage/Legacy/Modern staple removal spell is going to be $5.00 minimum, long term. See Dismember. So, people are happy to hold this card and refuse to sell below the long-term price point.
EDIT: Well shiver me timbers, looks like Dismember is only $2.50.
R&D is in a tailspin and since they were working on this set a couple of years ago, I suspect we're going to see a lot of *****tiness due to *****ty R&D for the next year or so.
I keep wanting to say this in every thread, but it feels like wasted breath.
People don't seem to understand that Magic isn't designed the day before the Prerelease.
R&D is in a tailspin...?
We've got a metagame with multiple powerful decks, lots of eternal playables being printed, and reprints coming in a steady drip to counter-act the secondary market spikes that have messed around with the game in the last few years.
What are you guys getting your undies in a bundle over? Are you antsy to get back to all-star sets like Homelands, Mercadian Masques, Kamigawa, or Theros?
Some of us have been ringing the alarm bells on this card's power level for awhile. Replaces Trike in Vintage, a card whose position has been unassailable for decades, multiplies your power with Ravager in all Eternal formats, acts as a colorless fireball, with all the combo and removal aspects of that, etc. This was enough to be confident that this card was going to be the real deal, long term. I pegged it at a $5.00 - $8.00 card down the road.
Now, in addition, people in Standard noticed a few other critical things: (1) It's two card types for delirium; (2) it stops Sahleei combo while it's on the board; and (3) there are tons of great counter enablers in Standard right now. These latter factors gave it a home in the new metagame instantly, in Delirium and B/G Aggro, decks which dominated the SCG Open on 1/22. So, Ballista skipped it's long term climb and spiked hard and fast.
I would suspect it's going to follow the price point of Hangarback Walker, however, so buyer beware at 15-20. Remember, the first decks to do well in a new metagame are the aggressive ones, typically. Strategies will adapt and then B/G will *probably* see less success. The other cause for concern is that, at least in the top 16 or so decks, I did not see any Walkers in decks other than B/G. That might change over time, but if not, then I would expect this price to subside.
Gearhulks
This one is pretty simple. They're Titans. These big dumb finishers get you value even if they get killed, so they do not "die to removal," and with the banning of Emrakul there's nothing that can really trump them. Makes perfect sense you see these in an new, aggressive metagame.
I've been singing it's praises ever since I realized it was an upgrade to trike in Vintage, a combo finisher for infinite mana, a colorless fireball, and numerous other utility all rolled into a single card.
Card is... alright. It's a win condition for infinite colorless mana decks, which is nice, but it does nothing on its own, which is not. A good card, but not as exciting as other cards we had spoiled today.
Just in case anyone was worried the current spate of reserved list buyouts was going to stick to playable cards, someone bought out Polar Kraken. I'm assuming as a joke.
No, actually, someone is brewing with Polar Kraken and doing not-horrible with it.
Good timing. I just snagged my playset of Reanimate recently to help round out my list of Legacy staples; glad I got on board before it crept above 10 dolla a pop.
That said, 30 seems maybe a little high? It has been reprinted at least twice, both in the Pre-Con Reanimator deck and again in Archenemy. It's also very reprintable in future sets. I suspect it will take a lot to push it beyond 20, and even that might be temporary.
Are you really getting any benefit out of using Tibalt instead of a 3 mana walker? Unless you ramp on turn 2, you are going to want to go Turn 2 This, Turn 3 Planeswalker, so the 1 mana cost reduction isn't as necessary.
Perhaps not, but the thing is that this card is WotC's first experiment in using Planeswalker loyalty counters as a resource. That's a new thing, and it actually makes it worth grabbing Tibalt (finally) because he's the cheapest way to generate that resource. Terrible though he may be.
Imagine what else you could do with this design space.
So, for example, you want to be gobbling up stuff like Ranger of Eos (currently $8, I see it being $4 or below temporarily) and not things like fetches, Liliana, or Snapcaster. I actually suspect Grislebrand will fall into this category and take a decent sized hit to its price, since it never really has taken off to the stratosphere in the first place.
Collar is tech with Eldrazi because it works very well with Walking Ballista and Endbringer. I don't know anything about Cheerios except that it did not top 8, so... not sure where the spike is coming from.
Without that, the ban is more of a message than anything else. And it resonates with people who have the impression -wrongly - that we do not already vet immigrants or that there is a flood of refugees from Syria pouring into camps like we see in Eastern Europe. In that sense, it more horns for the conservative echo chamber than policy.
It's a mistake to assume that a bad standard lead to the bans. It's more of a change in ban list philosophy than in the format.
Remember, they changed their whole banning philosophy recently, deciding to get more aggressive with formats and ban more frequently to keep things fresh and fun. I believe that the announcement came with a discussion of how they, in retrospect, wished that they had banned Collected Company last year, yes? And, perhaps, they wished they had banned components of Blue/Black devotion before that? Or Siege Rhino? I don't think it's fair to paint all of these formats as being bad. Different strokes for different folks. But, it is true that WotC is clearly getting more muscular about banning to shake things up when they need to.
Describing the tensed-up state of your loins was not an insult but an idiom referencing the fact that you are complaining about something. You're perfectly free to complain, but don't get all huffy if someone calls it out.
Here's why I care about people posting these kind of complaints. I don't know if this is why other people bother to respond, but this is my take. It's not about Arguing on the Internet. It's about reaching other players and WotC employees who either read forums or get referred to ideas organically that we discuss. Clearly, there is enough diversity among Magic players to ensure someone complains about everything. But, a counterpoint should be made when the complaint goes to something important that might eventually influence people at WotC.
I worry about complaints like yours because it suggests what WotC should do is print "safe" cards. Go back to Homelands or Masques or Kamigawa. This isn't a guarantee that Standard won't generate complaints (Theros was so weak that decks based on getting lots of mana symbols on the table dominated, lol) but it's certainly a way to minimize the risk of having to restrict something. I would be very unhappy with a timid printing policy like that.
There are plenty of players, I'm one of them, who prefers a more aggressive approach. Print interesting and unique cards, and don't be afraid to push the envelope. If you do not, then it's hard to impact eternal much. Then, if you need to, manage the format using the Banned and Restricted lists.
Does that put the undergarment comment in a broader context?
EDIT: Well shiver me timbers, looks like Dismember is only $2.50.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/New Phyrexia/Dismember#paper
I wonder if that means Fatal Push is ainglin' for a downward adjustment?
R&D is in a tailspin...?
We've got a metagame with multiple powerful decks, lots of eternal playables being printed, and reprints coming in a steady drip to counter-act the secondary market spikes that have messed around with the game in the last few years.
What are you guys getting your undies in a bundle over? Are you antsy to get back to all-star sets like Homelands, Mercadian Masques, Kamigawa, or Theros?
Walking Ballista
Some of us have been ringing the alarm bells on this card's power level for awhile. Replaces Trike in Vintage, a card whose position has been unassailable for decades, multiplies your power with Ravager in all Eternal formats, acts as a colorless fireball, with all the combo and removal aspects of that, etc. This was enough to be confident that this card was going to be the real deal, long term. I pegged it at a $5.00 - $8.00 card down the road.
Now, in addition, people in Standard noticed a few other critical things: (1) It's two card types for delirium; (2) it stops Sahleei combo while it's on the board; and (3) there are tons of great counter enablers in Standard right now. These latter factors gave it a home in the new metagame instantly, in Delirium and B/G Aggro, decks which dominated the SCG Open on 1/22. So, Ballista skipped it's long term climb and spiked hard and fast.
I would suspect it's going to follow the price point of Hangarback Walker, however, so buyer beware at 15-20. Remember, the first decks to do well in a new metagame are the aggressive ones, typically. Strategies will adapt and then B/G will *probably* see less success. The other cause for concern is that, at least in the top 16 or so decks, I did not see any Walkers in decks other than B/G. That might change over time, but if not, then I would expect this price to subside.
Gearhulks
This one is pretty simple. They're Titans. These big dumb finishers get you value even if they get killed, so they do not "die to removal," and with the banning of Emrakul there's nothing that can really trump them. Makes perfect sense you see these in an new, aggressive metagame.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Aether Revolt/Walking Ballista#paper
I've been singing it's praises ever since I realized it was an upgrade to trike in Vintage, a combo finisher for infinite mana, a colorless fireball, and numerous other utility all rolled into a single card.
I guess thats what happens when you reprint Splinter Twin in standard. Yucko!
Hey man, 3 mana for a 3/6 with a usually worthless drawback is pretty baller.
No, actually, someone is brewing with Polar Kraken and doing not-horrible with it.
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?5663-Deck-The-Polar-Express/page4
Well, to be fair, it's an ooooold thread with an ooooold combo, but it gets bumped around the holidays each year.
That said, 30 seems maybe a little high? It has been reprinted at least twice, both in the Pre-Con Reanimator deck and again in Archenemy. It's also very reprintable in future sets. I suspect it will take a lot to push it beyond 20, and even that might be temporary.
Perhaps not, but the thing is that this card is WotC's first experiment in using Planeswalker loyalty counters as a resource. That's a new thing, and it actually makes it worth grabbing Tibalt (finally) because he's the cheapest way to generate that resource. Terrible though he may be.
Imagine what else you could do with this design space.