I really think this card is being undervalued, isn't forcing your opponent to play slower and around your spells exactly what control wants? Not to mention late game when this isn't important it becomes another card at the very least and in a better situation a flash 2/2 flying Drake that draws you a card for U. sounds pretty amazing to me. Man people are spoiled now.
Does anyone think that they may have it line up with chandra? 6-7 cmc and have it endter and deal damage to player and or creature = to its power and have haste? Removal and beat stick the turn it comes into play makes it really really good, have it be a 6-5 or something.
Please Bolas.....Please. And make him playable the way that Ugin is. Its the oldest villain we have left and he is barely playable in any format. Don't get me wrong he is strong but just way to hard to cast.
Mono red burn just cant get there, if most of these where instant we would be talking a different game at sorcery its just sooooo bad. I have been brewing with black and even then its not great yet. Side notes are that in testing with black Liliana is insane with removal and Bedlam Reveler is real, the card is just bonkers. What is everyone thinking? Do you guys have more success with Mono red then me? Green seems really bad because all it adds is Command when black adds Brutality, removal at instant speed and K.Command?
I think it would be beneficial to fins a way to sneak both Thunderbreak and Draconic roar in these burn decks, thunderbreak works as a 4 mana 3 dmg (or 4 if it swings) and draconic roar is basically the best burn we have right now.
Did they just forget about WW and throw in a couple at the end of design? And WTF is the under powered Moon Mist, only one of my guys flips...rough. Not to mention no Tovolar, I was also hoping to get at least one playable Instant burn spell. However they did print some fun looking cards and a few cards that have very high potential in Grim Flayer, Bedlam Reveler and the Flash Spirit that removes a spell.
Costing RR basically guarantees this is not just better the cruise. However I do feel it is very very good and will see play in multiple formats.
Agreed. It doesn't have delve so multiples is never bad. It's a good card. Gonna see play across the formats.
You don't want more than one in hand at once as the second will be discarded to the first, making it a dead card. But it's still pretty nuts. I'm testing it in modern UR delver and it's feels pretty awesome to crap your hand out and reload with a threat. It does restrict colour requirements as sometimes you'll need triple red to empty your hand and cast it the same turn. I'm not sure it's a four of, though possibly the risk of multiples in hand is worth it to have a greater chance of drawing one. Vapor snagging it to recast is hilarious. Overall very strong, not cruise, but maybe that means we get to keep our new toy this time?
Multiples in hand when casting him still isn't bad, a 2/3 mana 3/4 prowess draw 2 is still pretty damn good.
Fair point, it could be worth running four just to maximise chance of drawing one. If this is the case, Izzet Charm can smooth things out a little.
The only time its not amazing is first three turns having 2 in hand apart from that, unlike delve threats you can chain this bad boy. Draw three cast three and then repeat lol
This is hardly comparable to treasure cruise. Get back to me once this can be fueled by fetches and creatures
Multiple deck compositions. This isn't a replacment but a sister card. In a spell heavy deck, this is better than cruise. Or do those not exist?
Costing RR basically guarantees this is not just better the cruise. However I do feel it is very very good and will see play in multiple formats.
Agreed. It doesn't have delve so multiples is never bad. It's a good card. Gonna see play across the formats.
You don't want more than one in hand at once as the second will be discarded to the first, making it a dead card. But it's still pretty nuts. I'm testing it in modern UR delver and it's feels pretty awesome to crap your hand out and reload with a threat. It does restrict colour requirements as sometimes you'll need triple red to empty your hand and cast it the same turn. I'm not sure it's a four of, though possibly the risk of multiples in hand is worth it to have a greater chance of drawing one. Vapor snagging it to recast is hilarious. Overall very strong, not cruise, but maybe that means we get to keep our new toy this time?
Multiples in hand when casting him still isn't bad, a 2/3 mana 3/4 prowess draw 2 is still pretty damn good.
I'm not sure Pia is great in the red black version though, I think Thunderbreak is better because of the bolt to the face when targeted. And dragon fodder doesn't really do much in a creature based standard. better to be a burn spell or utility? Am I off base here?
Is black just not good enough? It gives us Alms of the vein and collected brutality ( 3cmc 5dmg and gain 5 life with a tack on -2/-2 or remove a spell from there hand? ) also does the same thing with anger minus 3 life? then gives us the opportunity to have duress and murder in the board and cards like K.Command and so on for utility?
Black is just fine. the goal here was to get the conversation started, and I choose to use mono red as it seemed to be the easiest place to start, especially for someone like me who has no experience with Burn
I feel like adding black will give us more utility, it also makes fiery temper sooo much better with collective brutality, I think that card is being overlooked.
Is black just not good enough? It gives us Alms of the vein and collected brutality ( 3cmc 5dmg and gain 5 life with a tack on -2/-2 or remove a spell from there hand? ) All that while adding another 2 instants and sorceresses to the bin making it 3 already? Also does the same thing with anger minus 3 life? then gives us the opportunity to have duress and murder in the board and cards like K.Command and so on for utility? I don't know kill your dude and get a 10 point life swing seems good to me, and this is all fueling our bin for quicker Revelers and maybe even a 2 of GDD for later recursion? May be gimmicky I'm not sure but I'm testing it for sure.
The only time its not amazing is first three turns having 2 in hand apart from that, unlike delve threats you can chain this bad boy. Draw three cast three and then repeat lol
Multiples in hand when casting him still isn't bad, a 2/3 mana 3/4 prowess draw 2 is still pretty damn good.
Costing RR basically guarantees this is not just better the cruise. However I do feel it is very very good and will see play in multiple formats.
I feel like adding black will give us more utility, it also makes fiery temper sooo much better with collective brutality, I think that card is being overlooked.