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Magic Market Index for July 13th, 2018
 
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  • posted a message on Deathrite Shaman and Gitaxian probe banned in legacy no other changes
    Quote from Cainsson »
    What they said with this update is "Don't play Legacy if you don't already have RL cards".
    Pretty much every budget deck depended on Gitaxian Probe. Now it's Burn or don't play because you're a peasant and dind't invest in Magic 20 years ago when you may not have even been born.

    They better reprint Wasteland, Karakas, Cavern of Souls and Rishadan Port at least once more next year to make up for killing pretty much every sub-$1K deck to mildly inconvenience Tendrills.


    Quite honestly, yes. Legacy is for people who either have lots of money or have been playing the game for 25 years. Legacy is just too expensive because demand is high and supply is low. Just play Modern, Commander or Canadian Highlander like the rest of us.

    I am neither and just got into Legacy. Takes some time and investment, but not all decks are insane. D&T is a solid deck with lots of favorable matchups and isn't nuts. Burn is even less.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The Legacy Price Discussion Thread
    Quote from drakeavril »
    What is the average cost of a legacy deck that is at least 2 colours? Just duels and fetches seem to be about $1500.

    Tough to say. Duals are so high. But you can play more basics. Miracles runs about the cheapest as far as 2/3 color decks. 3 color adds a couple of Volcanics though so the price jumps $1000 over the 2 color miracles.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on Possible solution to reserve list problem: Reserve list buyback program
    Quote from NierAutomata »
    I just think the reserve list hate is irrational. It's about entitlement and jealousy. It's about the sticker shock of seeing the price of a Beta BGS 9.5 Lotus and thinking "wow that's crazy"

    Wizards already has Modern and Standard. And it's been clear for a long time now that Modern is really the eternal format that Wizards wants to move forward with. Wizards has total control of the pricing market of Modern because they can simply reprint any card within modern. Modern is a slower format than legacy, cheaper to get in, and less powerful, meaning more cards get to see play.

    I love legacy. But the simple fact of the matter is we don't need many cards from each new set. The power curve is so high that in order for each new set to be truly interactive with legacy, they're going to grossly up the power level of cards. This means that pandering to the jealousy and entitlement of seeing high priced dual lands, and for what? To support a format that regularly has turn 3 kills? To build around a format with a level of power orders of magnitude beyond standard today? To completely uproot the pace of new sets simply to pander to some 20 year old cards from a bygone era?

    I don't want Wizards to balance around vintage or legacy. The future of magic is a slower more interactive game. Wizards to their credit understands that.

    Here's the point.
    If Wizards isn't going to go out of their way to build the future of magic around legacy, then the issue of breaking up the reserve list becomes a moot point. It becomes ONLY about bringing down the price of dual lands and the power nine. That's it. Nobody is blaming the reserve list because the price of the rest of the junk on there is too high.

    So then abolishing the RL is about getting power nine and duals into players' hands. Imagine Wizards does crash the price of ancestral recall to 5 dollars a copy. Great. Then what? You're going to build decks around ancestral? You want your playerbase to build decks around ancestral? You honestly want that level of power moving foward?

    If it's not about supporting a format going forward, then its about the jealousy of duals and power. And frankly, many mtg players have already bought into legacy based on the trust of the reserve list. God knows how many times magic has almost died. And I'm sorry to say this but players are fair weather fans. They'll stick around for a few seasons before moving on. The collector who sunk thousands into mtg is the one here to stay. Maybe not with the fervor of the new player, but with loyalty that's lasted much longer.

    I guarantee if Wizards takes out the reserve list, the following will happen. Wizards will blossom for a time, selling power like hotcakes. But it wont take long before the allure of every player owning cheap power and duals takes away the allure and mystique of the most powerful cards. Fair weather players will go their way in a few years, finding another hobby or video game in short time. The only difference is that this time, with the golden goose killed, the collection value of Wizards' most longtime fans decimated, and the mythos of mtg at an end, there will be no one left to keep the flame alive.


    I think it's a bit stuck up to think that only people who can afford reserve list staples that have tripled in less than a year should be allowed to play in a format. Ownership doesn't make you any better at a game... It's elitist to want to lock anyone out of said format.
    Posted in: Legacy (Type 1.5)
  • posted a message on Black lotus authentification
    I'm no expert, but it sort of looks like a WB card that had the borders Sharpied.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on JR Bolts: keep or trade?
    Quote from KnickM »
    Quote from DanzBorin »
    Quote from KnickM »
    I like the judge bolts myself as well (surprise surprise, me agreeing with Seal again). OG pack foil fetchlands are probably where it's at in terms of "best" version - the ONS are definitely the top choice, ZEN are lagging a bit behind expos for now. Unless you've got some Alphas, judge foil Bolt is never going to be surpassed.

    Textless would like a word with you. Smile

    I remember when these weren't that expensive. Well, for me back then what they were going for was expensive, but that's nothing compared to now. Gaping
    Textless can have as many words as they'd like - oh wait, they're textless so they haven't got any words. Judge promo with OG art and border will remain my pick. Smile

    So, that brings up the issue that yes, different people prefer different things. I'm sure that some people prefer the judge promo fetches, and the new Flooded Strand looks sweet, I can't deny that. So despite what we've all said about judge bolts vs blue fetch expos, we are not the final authority.

    That said, judge bolts are buylisting for over $150, and there's only one listing on TCGp (for $800, clearly a reach), so that playset of yours is pretty irreplaceable. If you do decide to go for it, create a TCGp or eBay seller account and offer them for $500 a pop. Don't bother buylisting to a store.

    I totally understand. I just figured the pimpest would be the hardest to get. I guess there can easily be other factors. Wink

    The crazy thing is how times have changed. Not that textless US foil Bolts were easy to find back in the day, but the player base is so much bigger that I think that the JR TextED Bolts are less common to see now than Textless ones were back then. I'm like the guy whose mother threw out his baseball cards except I did it to myself. EEK!
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on JR Bolts: keep or trade?
    Quote from KnickM »
    I like the judge bolts myself as well (surprise surprise, me agreeing with Seal again). OG pack foil fetchlands are probably where it's at in terms of "best" version - the ONS are definitely the top choice, ZEN are lagging a bit behind expos for now. Unless you've got some Alphas, judge foil Bolt is never going to be surpassed.

    Textless would like a word with you. Smile

    I remember when these weren't that expensive. Well, for me back then what they were going for was expensive, but that's nothing compared to now. Gaping
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on Battlebond Dual Lands ETB Untapped in 2HG/EDH
    Quote from Manite »
    In the format Battlebond is designed for, these are basically ETBU duals, making them almost as good as ABURlands. Here's hoping they become staple reprints in Commander.

    Not being fetchable makes them far from close to ABUR Duals. I think people don't realize how good fetching lands is.

    I do agree that these will help, but at the stupid price they are pre-selling for get shock lands. They are much better and cost similar. Check lands are almost as good as these and cost nothing.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The Legacy Price Discussion Thread
    Quote from KnickM »
    Hey

    I'am quiet new on this forum and wanted to ask if someone knows why the price of Scrubland is extremly rising on magic cardmarket (europe)?
    Does some new deck in Legacy or Vintage needs them?

    Thanks in advance

    Maverick (Legacy) uses Scrubland and Savannah, and apparently the deck has had a good week.

    Exactly this. Legacy is very cyclical and kind of a game of round robin. Decks rise and fall and right now Maverick is on the rise.

    I didn't realize that duals had gone this bat crazy. Sucks as I just started playing Legacy after years of EDH only. I stopped at one of each dual years ago and never bothered getting Sol lands and now I'm in a rough place. May just end up playing Burn for the rest of my life. Frown
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on Battlebond Dual Lands ETB Untapped in 2HG/EDH
    Quote from Incanur »
    Unless folks are commonly getting knocked out of the game before you make your fourth land drop, these new multilands are better than fastlands.

    Except that sometimes an EDH game is only 2 people. For flexibility, fastlands are better.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Battlebond Dual Lands ETB Untapped in 2HG/EDH
    While these are okay, they missed the boat by not giving these basic land types. These are by default below 3 cycles of lands due to the missing land types.

    ABUR > Shock > Fastlands > These “meh” duals
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The Commander Price Discussion Thread
    IT would be good early on. Problem is if you want it early on, you don't want it coming into play tapped.

    Say you want to drop a JTMS. Unless you have this first 2 turns, it won't accelerate anything. And then after that it's a strictly worse Ancient Tomb. If it didn't citpt it might be worth running or if it had a non counter clause like Boseiju I could see it. I think as Xoth points out, it's just not good most of the time. I'd rather use another 2 mana land, more ramp, or a mana rock instead.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on The Commander Price Discussion Thread
    Quote from Gren08 »
    Untaidake, the Cloud Keeper took off. How long until Yomiji follows suite?

    Seems like everyone is trying to speculate on cards based on Legendary Planeswalkers. That land isn't very good in my opinion.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Miscut, Misprint, Foreign, Foil &Other Oddities Price Thread.
    Quote from KnickM »
    Thanks, I appreciate it. I've had people telling me that they'd trade it for $40 or so, but I didn't feel like that was as much as I'd be able to get for it. Glad I asked then o.O

    Also, what would Modern staples in Korean be worth on average in non-foil. Grim Flayer, for instance?

    There's not really much of a premium on nonfoils. There's one available for $20 shipped, and that guy's taking best offers. Sold prices are at $20 and $15.

    Offhand, I'd say that most of the time unless there's a significant "cool" factor for some reason, there's not going to be a significant difference in the price for nonfoil Modern cards.

    Yup... Maybe a buck or two extra to the right person. I still have lots of Japanese shock lands in my edh deck I'd like to swap for English, just tough to find people with original Ravnica shocks that want to swap for Japanese.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on [[Primer]] A guide to all things Sliver Overlord
    Sadly I haven't played in forever, but mine is about a year old toolbox combo version. There are faster, but I like to have several play styles available in case they shut down one combo I can go different ways.

    See my signature for details. Just an FYI, it's not budget at all.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Well, how was YOUR box? (MM17 Edition)
    Quote from Werewolf_Rawr »
    Quote from DanzBorin »
    Quote from thatmarkguy »
    Quote from DanzBorin »
    Complete garbage. 3 fetches and not a single other card over $4 including the foils. The hell with Wizards. I'm done with this game.

    Tired of every box and fat pack being a total waste of money. $189 plus shipping for $75 worth of cards. What a big middle finger to their customers.


    Uh... don't most customers know that buying any 'randomized' product is akin to buying lottery tickets? Some boxes will be above the average Expected Value, most will be below, and when you buy one you do so knowing that to be the case? If every box was above the EV... that wouldn't be the EV. They aren't actually printing money. They aren't creating wealth, giving everyone stuff worth more than they paid for it.

    Of course I know that. But it's every damn box. They don't need to make me rich. Just have value in them. Negative $110 isn't even close to value. Random always means complete garbage with Wizards product. I'm sick of it. In a masterpiece set don't fill it with $2 mythical and charge $10 a pack. Shame on me for having any hope I guess. No more. Same garbage every Masters set. I'll take my money to a hobby that provides something for my money other than a box full of nothing.


    I feel like you need a reality check.

    This is a form of entertainment - a game, which is produced for profit by the company making it. Pretty standard issue. Tell me, how much money do you get back after paying for a round of golf? How much do you get back when you buy a new console or PC game? How much hard cash are you making back when you go to the movies?

    Listen, I'm not normally one to defend this game. But, if you're willing to buy a box of cards with full awareness of the randomization, then it's on you. Wizards isn't misrepresenting this game - they don't even set the secondary market price in the first place. So, your "negative $110" isn't even determined by Wizards!

    You need to come to the realization that this is a form of entertainment - not an investment. However, it just SO happens that the community and vendors of the product have set it up so uniquely that you can actually get everything you want for the EXACT dollar amount that you're willing to pay. You want exactly $189 plus shipping worth of cards? You can buy the singles you want that add up to $189 plus shipping! You have that option! YAY!

    They also know that $10 is absurd for cardboard and that the only way to justify it is secondary value. Yay! And continue to pepper these sets full of cards barely with the cardboard they print it on. Yay!

    So I'll exercise my option to not be taken advantage of. Yay!

    I can lots of things that at least have a perception of value. Over the last 10 years I've seen this go out the window with mythics, $10 packs that cost them no more than $4 packs, and now masterpieces. Yay!

    No thanks. Finally deciding to get out while people still play the game and it has some value. Yay!
    Posted in: Magic General
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