@AnakTalk to me about Tubba and why he goes so hard on Wisp as scum.
Because he saw HR doing it and getting some towncred, or at least ignored for it. That would have been preferred to where he was at, so he agreed with HR and went with it.
Though I wouldn't say he "went so hard", that's for HR, Tubba was more playing second chair on that wagon. Which is why to me it feels like scum buddy Tubba hopping on with HR. Tubba was never invested in leading that push, but was happy to sit behind and try to get credit for it.
Someone, I think it was Anak, was against Az claiming, but he was a major wagon, his partial claim is suspect, and idk how much weight Tammy’s argument has but it warrants an explanation.
When on MTGS did we start pushing for claims without being in proper vote range? It's not like major wagons from previous days always are forced to claim either.
Why the rush? Why not try to build a bigger wagon against Az to get the proper support for a full claim? This just feels like lazy play
Dude as stop telling me what I’m thinking or what my words mean. You have it wrong completely wrong. You have spent more time telling me what my try piggy’s are in a completely wrong manner than actually scumhunting and that is tucked up and in you.
You feel fake like fake fake fake fake fake. Not weird, not thinking differently than me, not any of the things you keep equating it to, fake.
I don’t need a lecture on scumhunying or wig I’m how scum behave. This is not my first rodeo, and while I don’t get everything right, I do just fine.
My BIGGEST problem with you is that you haven’t really felt like you’re scumhunting because most of what you have provided has been superficial. If at any time the “analysis” you were doing felt like actual analysis, I’d have discounted the fake as a weird vibe I was getting and shrug it off. But I haven’t gotten that except in tiny glimmers, so my entire concern stays.
maybe you are town and my concerns are misplaced. But you continually saying what I’m thinking is different than what I’m saying isn’t going to do it. Scumhunting, show me you’re thinking. That’s all I care about.
so now we have:
Tubba
ISO
CropCircles - Town
Azrael
Someone else (whose identity I do know)
Who are the five original witted people. How likely is it that they’re all town?
I used The Wit on Az early D1, well Iso did, Az was not one of the original members of the game with The Wit.
And Tubba is virtually lock scum here so I don't know what you are getting at.
I ask this genuinely, do you know how The Wit works? Your past couple posts indicate that you don't quite, so would like to clear that up for you if needed.
Also Az's scum hunting being fake is interesting to me. Who would you say has been doing genuine scum hunting? Maybe it's from coming into the game late but I haven't seen a ton of scum hunting from people in general.
@Wisp Yeah I get that HR is currently living in his own world, I just don't understand why everyone is okay with that. Few players would have been allowed that in their best of times, and HR's no slouch, but it makes no sense that we give him that slack in this game.
If nothing else his constant hammering in you has made it very hard for the rest of the game to move forward. One option is to just ignore him, which most people are doing, but I'm trying to say I think it's malicious on his part coming from scum. And it's working out rather well for him so far.
@HR I realize CC used The Wit on you, I'm saying I think you also originally had The Wit before he did that. Which is what I said before, but I see your attempt to pass that off to CC as a pseudo defense
I haven't read the part where tammy claimed the specifics of her ability but I'm fine with skilling it up to private claim to a second person. Much better for town than spilling it publicly, as Anak and Tammy will be able to attest.
Anyone who is reading "performative" as outside my meta really, really needs to read virtually any of my meta, but maybe start with World Dom 2, where as town I gambited being a multi-vote third party serial killer, who gained one extra vote every post that was a multiple of forty, in order to garner reactions and info. Tons of maniacal laughter, emoticons and pot-stirring. The whole concept was quite ridiculous of course, and never would have been designed as such, but it was a good way to gauge hysteria and those willing to prey upon it, while being effectively town cleared as a multi-voter.
It worked beautifully too, right up until they got carried away a little too far and fast and I got lynched before I and the others familiar with my penchant for gambits could talk the rest out of it. But the town certainly got a town of good info!
I can confirm that Az has mostly-claimed to me, lacking flavor and such because the messages have to be so short.
Role aside I still don't really see a case against Az that makes any sense. Being energetic like that while a game is stagnant is NAI at best, certainly not something to completely yeet someone for. It doesn't to me seem to be masking fake reads, it seems more to be attempting to kick a game into gear that is lacking energy, and the reads behind it maybe aren't super great? But then again most peoples read's aren't super strong here, HR aside.
Calling for Az to full-claim so far into the day and so far from yeet-range seems extremely premature. I understand Wisps desire to start tossing votes around and that's all fine, but no claiming needs to start happening yet.
Skilling Tammy and claiming all our roles doesn't make a ton of sense to me, simply because I don't see any benefit from it. The best we are likely to get is potential dichotomies with similar roles between pairs of people, however that's not any guarantee.
I am completely convinced though that Highroller is scum, likely one that has The Wit. He saw Wisp claim, saw a threat, and tunneled it for the towncred he thought would come from pushing the yeet of a hostile 3rder. At the same time removing a threat to himself. Tubba jumped on board later to push, and as we now know he has The Wit, so his agreement with HR in D1 was in trying to get that wagon moving forward. His roleclaim doesn't sway me from that thought in the slightest.
@HR, just an fyi, you may not be intending to, but you're coming off as condescending.
You're right. My apologies.
Listen, Wisp is gone, you're voting Azrael, who else is sus to you again?
Keep in mind, I haven't had a chance to comb through the thread because the holidays have been such a mess. Obviously I'm suspicious of LastWhisper, Azrael, Anak, and Bur.
From there, I would really need to reread the thread to determine where I would position people. Right now leaning towards Killjoy and Vaimes as next, but again, badly in need of a reread.
Wait wait wait. No one waste your free skill today yet.
Hey Tammy, you like secret chats right...? :D. How about all the chats?
We all skill Tammy and mass claim to her. Then she can give us a PoE of all the people with scummy roles. All the benefits of a mass claim and none of the risks. (Unless Tammy is scum in which case this is a disaster, but that means we all suck at this game anyway).
Thoughts?
Why don't we just massclaim now?
I'm Highroller. I'm the King-in-Waiting.
My role ability allows me to turn into a sleeping dragon. While sleeping, my vit becomes 1, and I can only post a post that contains anything other than just a vote once every 24 hours. Once during each phase while slumbering, I can open up a communication link with a player that lasts up to 2 phases. While I'm asleep, any player who has such a communication link cannot have their role abilities blocked, redirected, or prevented.
So did you intentionally include Tubba, or do you somehow think he is town still today, after all that happened at the end of D2? Also, your Vitality becomes 1, so presumably your starting Vitality is something different? Did you leave that out intentionally?
man I wonder if Vaimes is just a wolf here, like he really has fallen off hard
There's a small part of me that wonders if Vaimes saw Sloth including him in the votecount, when he wasn't, and Vaimes sat knowing it very likely could result in a No Yeet. While having a perfect alibi after. Orrrrrrrrr Vaimes forgot, as he says. Very likely the latter, but still.
Oh, I did actually forget the whole “didn’t take an action” thing. Eh.
As for Rhand, my baseless guess is that at least half of his scumteam guess was right and it was a fear kill. That, or just because of his mid/endgame reputation. I looked through his posts and didn’t see like, any I’m-a-strong-PR crumbs.
Yeah, Rhand has been highly respected as an analyst the past few years. That's a move you make because someone on the scum team feared him.
The attempt at clearing Cuth by Silver is something I didn't like the logic on, but that's a very weak reason to suspect anyone. Can't draw any conclusions on what's going on there yet.
Well and its not like Rhand was a consistent town read amongst everyone where they would be killed for that reason. So there likely is another.
@Silver I'm not saying that I would be for yeeting someone simply for the reason that Rhand had them in a scumteam before he died. But saying its pure wine drinking isn't accurate either, odds are good there was some reason they were picked for the NK
"Hm I just realised that that doesn’t leave room for Bur if the mafia team size is 4.
If there’s an error in CC / Az / tubba / One of Boom/WMU, then Bur should be the answer."
And none of his posts after really would change that from what I see. Its not very hard cutting, and the team possibilites there don't work out much. Az wouldn't fear kill, and is getting suspected by enough people where taking one out doesn't do a ton. So 2+ of Tubba/Boom/Bur? I guess?
"Sloth: Rhand might be mafia
Also Sloth: I have the same reads as Rhand"
His last post, so Sloth could be included there too.
Oh goodness I didn't realize the day ended so soon! *****.
@GJ I gave that read of Vaimes somewhere near the end of Day 1, when to me it seemed like he was more involved. Seeing how Day 2 evolved I would have a pretty different read, still keeping Vaimes in my townlean pile but hoping to see more from him otherwise he's gonna slip down.
That's why I was hesitant to give reads while catching up, because what I say whenever might no longer be relevant where everyone else is. But I tried at least, in the interest of trying to give the thread something to talk about since it seemed to be stalling a bit.
Sloth, I'm still trying to read GJ, so no, the "test" is not over. And for that matter, every other scum player on the game is still here too. This is a silly, tangential argument that in no way helps you either read me or catch scum and is pure vanity and anti-town hubris.
The test is over. You won't ever make a case like that, and his point still stands that you phrased your questions in a decidedly, awful way. So know, you won't be helping me, but it would be nice to know what your "town" reaction would have been, when you make the statement.
I don't have one yet. He's on my list of a handful or so people I haven't read up on and offered hot takes on yet.
Probably could have done that over Bur, tbh.
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So I'm reading through GJ's ISO atm. He's one I usually either can't read well or flip flop on in the later game, so I wanna do this. Also, other Odd reasons which I won't discuss
Curious.
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Ok, I don't know what the votecount is but based on the last one I'm assuming there's no clear direction toDay.
Unvote, vote Azrael
Seems like this, Bur, or Wisp [as a last resort] are the only things with enough potential support.
Don't like this.
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GJ just asked for some quick and dirty reads, and so my read for Vaimes at the point I am at (hoping to finish catching up today) was that I doubt I will be able to catch him as wolf. Vaimes always seems clear and consistent to me and so I think he's likely town, and this game doesn't seem any different from that.
Vaimes has done almost nothing this game, except join latter wagons. This isn't a flame, it's just a fact. I can't think of a significant thing he has done or interacted with this game, apart from saying I always wolf read him :p.
I see those votes on Az, and all I can think of is that "wow. Half the game our fluff posters, or won't actually post unless responded to, and then you vote for people not named LW who actually attempt to move the game forward. Also really don't see the dazzling obvious town play of Silver that apparently made me wolfy for calling out.
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The days where I comb every player's iso and do pbpas are long, long gone and good riddance tbh
no ones asking you to do a PBPA every other post. Just maybe pretend to give an effort. I miss the days where this attitude was killed outright, instead of being coddled and accepted. Game gets ******* boring if everyone played reactive and no one moved forward.
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@Everyone voting Azreal, I think Azreal coming in a shaking up the thread when I was on the chopping block is extremely townie. Obviously that doesn't apply if you think we are scummates, but if that's the case you should yeet me first (or ask Wisp to kill me and judge Azreal toMarrow with better information).
I know he had the inconsistency about saying Bur was bussing me then saying I am town, but that shows a townie jumbled thought process. He's trying to fit all the puzzle pieces together. Scum!Azreal would already have decided who he is going to push and who he'd try to pocket so would be as inconsistent.
The flipflop on Wisp entirely fits with his plan to keep wisp working for us with the threat of a yeet if he doesn't. This is a townie plan trying to coerce 3rder power under town's control. If you look at Azreal's actions from deeper then a superficial level, it's clear he's trying to make this work for town. (@HR I don't want to hear about your response to this point, I already know your opinion).
I think that's all the points against Azreal, anyone who keeps their vote on him after this post please explain, because he's one of my top townies at this point.
Don't think this is town still, but I have to admit I like this post. Seems strange to immediately bad mouth the counterwagon to your own, unless exactly dueling wolves. If Az is town, boom is wolf, why say anything at all? Leaning either w/w or V/v. Now I have to think which read (the town read on az or the wolf read on Boom) is stronger.
@Sloth, I see you responded to this simliar point from Boom, and I acknowledge that point but choose to still make mine above. Not impossible they are unaligned, but still.
I'm not interested in talking about Tubba's votes anymore
if you think that makes them wolfy, go right ahead, if you don't, then do that
Self-votes are inherently NAI, and policy voting is just as detrimental to the game
I wish I knew how to make my imgflip gifs usable on mtgs. But disagree.
had multiple issues with my D1 attack on him. I think 2 but maybe 3. Tammy gave a correct (I think) explanation for one of them, and I think I've explained the other. Obviously GJ disagrees. But what Tammy said was correct and I don't see how you think if conflicts with what I was saying before.
All three. In some order of insanity. The least offensive being you think I haven't tried to read cantrip, which the only part of the misunderstanding I would believe is that you might have interpreted my comment tro be a wolf read. You immediately hopping on the Tammy train of "complete misunderstanding" also looked terrible to me. Especially when it was pointed out before that, the post you attributed to me, was Silver, and apart from I don't believe that, even if I did, you seemed to give it a complete pass when it was apparently a strong reason to wolf read me.
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I know Grape hasn't posted a VC, but as much as cuth is a weaker read, that wagon looks *****ty as hell and will not be joining that. Boom > Tubba > Vaimes > Silver > Anak.
Everyone else, nah.
So you like that post from Boom but he's still your top scumread? Over like Tubba who you are also pushing for a yeet? Was Boom just that scummy that a post you like from them isn't enough to push them out of the top scum slot for you?
Bessie is a pretty strong town read from me, coming into the thread like that and going after one of the consensus strongest townreads is something I don't see scum doing there at all. If the thread was super active and moving, mayyyyyybe doing that and hiding amongst everything else going on for towncred is a possibility. However, Bessie going after Tammy when the thread was moving slowly made that the central focus, and I just don't see scum putting the spotlight on themselves there, especially when that spotlight goes against the grain.
Az has been working through things, doing PBPA's and trying to move the game forward. It's gotten...mixed results for sure, but I think that more falls to the rest of the thread just kind of letting what he says go by the wayside. I have Az as a townlean mostly for trying to get things moved along, want to continue to see that from him as we get to D3. I don't really think it counts against him that things didn't really stick yet, lot of things people have said haven't stuck. (Hence why HR vs. Wisp was still a thing most of D2) I certainly have no interest in yeeting Az today.
From the instant HR vs. Wisp started, I immediately said that HR was a scum who has The Wit, and he was gonna push on Wisp for nuking a 3rd party. This would both eliminate someone who is a threat to him, and gain towncred. Nothing he has done has made me deviate from that thought, and the fact that I don't really know what else he thinks about anything just makes me believe that any more. This is not something I think we can resolve today though, given the time remaining, but wanted to make sure that I got this out there. KJ I think was the only other one to mention this as a possibility, so town points there.
Silver giving vitality is enough to make him a townlean for now, no reason to be looking his way tomorrow or D3.
Boom I thought was pretty darn scummy through D1, but as D2 has gone on and Boom has posted more their thoughts have been more clear and consistent. Been working their way up the list in my eyes, no real interest in yeeting today except to avoid a No Yeet.
Hedging a bit on GJ/Sloth, which sucks and am going to be looking to read into them specifically over the coming night. Generally speaking I have liked what I have seen from them, but I have something in my head telling me that I liked them simply because they were posting a good amount in an otherwise fairly stagnant game. "But Anak you gave Az townpoints for posting a good bit in the game?" Yeah, I know, and hence why I want to keep seeing more from Az too. Az I just got more of a genuine interest in solving the game that I didn't *quite* get from GJ/Sloth, but again I know I need to evaulate this further.
My list looks something like this atm:
Town
Anak
Tammy
Bessie
Az
Silver
KJ
Vaimes
Neutral/No Read
Wisp
GJ
Sloth
Cantrip
Boom
Cuth
Bur
Tubba
HR
Scum
Also did I miss people discussing the Rhand kill? That came out of left field for me, I was pretty convinced Rhand was scum going into N1. There's got to be something there, they were nowhere near a consensus townread at the time of the NK so there's gotta be more to the story.
I don't think there has been a neutral with an exclusive win condition in a specialty on this site since Ace Attorney several years ago -- pretty much directly as a result of that game ending with a serial killer winning out of literally nowhere when there should have still been mis-exiles remaining due to their kill being non-standard (I believe it was preceded by serial killer wins in Star Trek MU IV and Mindscrew, which didn't really help)
In fact, I don't even think there has been a regular old serial killer in a normal since then
Is that to say Wisp is not a "threat to the town"? No, he pretty clearly counts, but that just means we can't win the game while he is in it
If he achieves his win condition and leaves, we can win and so can he
The main reason I believe he has a "non-standard win condition" is actually the Witted mechanic; he knew about it and what it does, but he has no reason to have that knowledge as just a plain old serial killer, and if his win condition is mutually exclusive he can potentially end the entire game on the Day 2 exile which is far, far too swingy
So
In my view it is more reasonable to believe he is either a wolf (which explains his knowledge of the Witted mechanic, given there is almost certainly at least one Witted wolf) or a third party more similar to a hitman than a serial killer
Working my way through still, but don't want to lose track of this post. **** both of Ace Attorney and Mind Screw, where I was on the getting hosed end of both of those neutrals.
Ace Attorney I tracked the only scum that could have been tracked to a NK that blew the game open, only to have the neutral won the next day instead. Would have been the hero but nooooooo.
Mind Screw is a long story but we as scum had a perfect victory in hand until God Mode Az figured out a way to murder my entire team (KJ should remember too!) And win with a misyeet in Final 2 (reading that game is real fun if you haven't).
So I am very familiar and bitter in regards to neutrals, if that helps give more context to the weight of what I was saying earlier.
What the hell is that, if Vaimes is a wolf we just lose? Since when is this a thing?
GJ just asked for some quick and dirty reads, and so my read for Vaimes at the point I am at (hoping to finish catching up today) was that I doubt I will be able to catch him as wolf. Vaimes always seems clear and consistent to me and so I think he's likely town, and this game doesn't seem any different from that.
I'm certain others can read him well (unless we kill our best analyists), sorry for not being clear there, I just meant it from my perspective.
Thanks for confirming that you need to be dead for town to win. My point about going from working with town to scum to stay alive Wisp was that if HR continues on this path and got more and more town on board, then your best chance and sticking around would be for the scum to sit idly by and not push against you. Hoping that then you would use your abilities on the town, obviously you couldn't directly communicate with them (though I guess The Skill would allow that to happen...)
@HR do you really think this game is as simple as, town agree with your thoughts and scum don't? I kept having the same thoughts while catching up so I wanted to try my own shot at asking you some questions about Wisp, and somehow you see me being scum from that? Good to know how you see dissent I guess.
@bessie like I said above, it's not that I'm ignoring Vaimes, it's that the read of Vaimes I'm getting is pretty towny. But he is someone I usually think is towny, and that he is someone I doubt I will easily catch as scum. Hopefully that's more clear
Because he saw HR doing it and getting some towncred, or at least ignored for it. That would have been preferred to where he was at, so he agreed with HR and went with it.
Though I wouldn't say he "went so hard", that's for HR, Tubba was more playing second chair on that wagon. Which is why to me it feels like scum buddy Tubba hopping on with HR. Tubba was never invested in leading that push, but was happy to sit behind and try to get credit for it.
When on MTGS did we start pushing for claims without being in proper vote range? It's not like major wagons from previous days always are forced to claim either.
Why the rush? Why not try to build a bigger wagon against Az to get the proper support for a full claim? This just feels like lazy play
Thanks for the link, I forgot you included your starting loyalty in that big post
I used The Wit on Az early D1, well Iso did, Az was not one of the original members of the game with The Wit.
And Tubba is virtually lock scum here so I don't know what you are getting at.
I ask this genuinely, do you know how The Wit works? Your past couple posts indicate that you don't quite, so would like to clear that up for you if needed.
Also Az's scum hunting being fake is interesting to me. Who would you say has been doing genuine scum hunting? Maybe it's from coming into the game late but I haven't seen a ton of scum hunting from people in general.
@Wisp Yeah I get that HR is currently living in his own world, I just don't understand why everyone is okay with that. Few players would have been allowed that in their best of times, and HR's no slouch, but it makes no sense that we give him that slack in this game.
If nothing else his constant hammering in you has made it very hard for the rest of the game to move forward. One option is to just ignore him, which most people are doing, but I'm trying to say I think it's malicious on his part coming from scum. And it's working out rather well for him so far.
@HR I realize CC used The Wit on you, I'm saying I think you also originally had The Wit before he did that. Which is what I said before, but I see your attempt to pass that off to CC as a pseudo defense
Vote: Highroller Vote: Tubba
I can confirm that Az has mostly-claimed to me, lacking flavor and such because the messages have to be so short.
Role aside I still don't really see a case against Az that makes any sense. Being energetic like that while a game is stagnant is NAI at best, certainly not something to completely yeet someone for. It doesn't to me seem to be masking fake reads, it seems more to be attempting to kick a game into gear that is lacking energy, and the reads behind it maybe aren't super great? But then again most peoples read's aren't super strong here, HR aside.
Calling for Az to full-claim so far into the day and so far from yeet-range seems extremely premature. I understand Wisps desire to start tossing votes around and that's all fine, but no claiming needs to start happening yet.
Skilling Tammy and claiming all our roles doesn't make a ton of sense to me, simply because I don't see any benefit from it. The best we are likely to get is potential dichotomies with similar roles between pairs of people, however that's not any guarantee.
I am completely convinced though that Highroller is scum, likely one that has The Wit. He saw Wisp claim, saw a threat, and tunneled it for the towncred he thought would come from pushing the yeet of a hostile 3rder. At the same time removing a threat to himself. Tubba jumped on board later to push, and as we now know he has The Wit, so his agreement with HR in D1 was in trying to get that wagon moving forward. His roleclaim doesn't sway me from that thought in the slightest.
So did you intentionally include Tubba, or do you somehow think he is town still today, after all that happened at the end of D2? Also, your Vitality becomes 1, so presumably your starting Vitality is something different? Did you leave that out intentionally?
There's a small part of me that wonders if Vaimes saw Sloth including him in the votecount, when he wasn't, and Vaimes sat knowing it very likely could result in a No Yeet. While having a perfect alibi after. Orrrrrrrrr Vaimes forgot, as he says. Very likely the latter, but still.
He didn't, and in the interest of having this game make sense I had The Wit, and used it on Az. That's where he got witted from.
His claim to me matches what he claimed in thread.
Pop in? I posted a big catchup post that wound up at the end of the previous page not ten minutes before this post, possible you missed it?
CFD = Chinese Fire Drill, the scramble at the end of Day to find a yeet target before the deadline
Well and its not like Rhand was a consistent town read amongst everyone where they would be killed for that reason. So there likely is another.
@Silver I'm not saying that I would be for yeeting someone simply for the reason that Rhand had them in a scumteam before he died. But saying its pure wine drinking isn't accurate either, odds are good there was some reason they were picked for the NK
"Hm I just realised that that doesn’t leave room for Bur if the mafia team size is 4.
If there’s an error in CC / Az / tubba / One of Boom/WMU, then Bur should be the answer."
And none of his posts after really would change that from what I see. Its not very hard cutting, and the team possibilites there don't work out much. Az wouldn't fear kill, and is getting suspected by enough people where taking one out doesn't do a ton. So 2+ of Tubba/Boom/Bur? I guess?
"Sloth: Rhand might be mafia
Also Sloth: I have the same reads as Rhand"
His last post, so Sloth could be included there too.
Something to keep in mind coming into tomorrow.
Coming to this conclusion right after Az drops you to neutral is...conveniently timed to say the least.
@GJ I gave that read of Vaimes somewhere near the end of Day 1, when to me it seemed like he was more involved. Seeing how Day 2 evolved I would have a pretty different read, still keeping Vaimes in my townlean pile but hoping to see more from him otherwise he's gonna slip down.
That's why I was hesitant to give reads while catching up, because what I say whenever might no longer be relevant where everyone else is. But I tried at least, in the interest of trying to give the thread something to talk about since it seemed to be stalling a bit.
So you like that post from Boom but he's still your top scumread? Over like Tubba who you are also pushing for a yeet? Was Boom just that scummy that a post you like from them isn't enough to push them out of the top scum slot for you?
Bessie is a pretty strong town read from me, coming into the thread like that and going after one of the consensus strongest townreads is something I don't see scum doing there at all. If the thread was super active and moving, mayyyyyybe doing that and hiding amongst everything else going on for towncred is a possibility. However, Bessie going after Tammy when the thread was moving slowly made that the central focus, and I just don't see scum putting the spotlight on themselves there, especially when that spotlight goes against the grain.
Az has been working through things, doing PBPA's and trying to move the game forward. It's gotten...mixed results for sure, but I think that more falls to the rest of the thread just kind of letting what he says go by the wayside. I have Az as a townlean mostly for trying to get things moved along, want to continue to see that from him as we get to D3. I don't really think it counts against him that things didn't really stick yet, lot of things people have said haven't stuck. (Hence why HR vs. Wisp was still a thing most of D2) I certainly have no interest in yeeting Az today.
From the instant HR vs. Wisp started, I immediately said that HR was a scum who has The Wit, and he was gonna push on Wisp for nuking a 3rd party. This would both eliminate someone who is a threat to him, and gain towncred. Nothing he has done has made me deviate from that thought, and the fact that I don't really know what else he thinks about anything just makes me believe that any more. This is not something I think we can resolve today though, given the time remaining, but wanted to make sure that I got this out there. KJ I think was the only other one to mention this as a possibility, so town points there.
Silver giving vitality is enough to make him a townlean for now, no reason to be looking his way tomorrow or D3.
Boom I thought was pretty darn scummy through D1, but as D2 has gone on and Boom has posted more their thoughts have been more clear and consistent. Been working their way up the list in my eyes, no real interest in yeeting today except to avoid a No Yeet.
Hedging a bit on GJ/Sloth, which sucks and am going to be looking to read into them specifically over the coming night. Generally speaking I have liked what I have seen from them, but I have something in my head telling me that I liked them simply because they were posting a good amount in an otherwise fairly stagnant game. "But Anak you gave Az townpoints for posting a good bit in the game?" Yeah, I know, and hence why I want to keep seeing more from Az too. Az I just got more of a genuine interest in solving the game that I didn't *quite* get from GJ/Sloth, but again I know I need to evaulate this further.
My list looks something like this atm:
Town
Anak
Tammy
Bessie
Az
Silver
KJ
Vaimes
Neutral/No Read
Wisp
GJ
Sloth
Cantrip
Boom
Cuth
Bur
Tubba
HR
Scum
Also did I miss people discussing the Rhand kill? That came out of left field for me, I was pretty convinced Rhand was scum going into N1. There's got to be something there, they were nowhere near a consensus townread at the time of the NK so there's gotta be more to the story.
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Finally caught up on the game, spent most of today to do so. Thank goodness, however need to sleep now, post tomorrow.
One quick hit is the above. What the hell kind of mental gymnastics did you go through to arrive at that thought?
Working my way through still, but don't want to lose track of this post. **** both of Ace Attorney and Mind Screw, where I was on the getting hosed end of both of those neutrals.
Ace Attorney I tracked the only scum that could have been tracked to a NK that blew the game open, only to have the neutral won the next day instead. Would have been the hero but nooooooo.
Mind Screw is a long story but we as scum had a perfect victory in hand until God Mode Az figured out a way to murder my entire team (KJ should remember too!) And win with a misyeet in Final 2 (reading that game is real fun if you haven't).
So I am very familiar and bitter in regards to neutrals, if that helps give more context to the weight of what I was saying earlier.
GJ just asked for some quick and dirty reads, and so my read for Vaimes at the point I am at (hoping to finish catching up today) was that I doubt I will be able to catch him as wolf. Vaimes always seems clear and consistent to me and so I think he's likely town, and this game doesn't seem any different from that.
I'm certain others can read him well (unless we kill our best analyists), sorry for not being clear there, I just meant it from my perspective.
Thanks for confirming that you need to be dead for town to win. My point about going from working with town to scum to stay alive Wisp was that if HR continues on this path and got more and more town on board, then your best chance and sticking around would be for the scum to sit idly by and not push against you. Hoping that then you would use your abilities on the town, obviously you couldn't directly communicate with them (though I guess The Skill would allow that to happen...)
@HR do you really think this game is as simple as, town agree with your thoughts and scum don't? I kept having the same thoughts while catching up so I wanted to try my own shot at asking you some questions about Wisp, and somehow you see me being scum from that? Good to know how you see dissent I guess.
@bessie like I said above, it's not that I'm ignoring Vaimes, it's that the read of Vaimes I'm getting is pretty towny. But he is someone I usually think is towny, and that he is someone I doubt I will easily catch as scum. Hopefully that's more clear