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  • posted a message on Death in the Family - Game Over - A Family in Ruins
    Dance
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Thanks for the host Tom, I know it was short but still very appreciated!

    Sorry Osie for the miss, real problem was I was never lynching Rhand so we would have been in trouble no matter if I got you or Lngrrr right. I do feel bad though, please understand it was nothing personal and just a bad.play on my part Smile
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    ****!

    Thoughts to come later...
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    KJ not voting for the confirmed scum in his world is a thing I should have noticed earlier and didn't. Why are you waiting? Something to remember for tomorrow potentially.

    Lngrrr focusing and rereading rhand makes zero sense either as stated above. Why can't either of you act like townies here?

    Rhand is town, locking that in and conceding if I am wrong. He could only be scum with lngrrr and his play today and in general has been too consistently from a town perspective to be fake.

    That leaves three, and Osie claiming Miller is more likely to come from scum than town. (He's either Miller, or him or his buddy is framer, or that token was not used and as such that team knows it's a safe false claim). Also re evaluating my alignment because of my reads makes no sense, the quality of them has no bearing on what shadow did yesterday and is only serving to try and discredit me.

    We could beat about the bush on this forever, it's time to take a stand. Vote Osie

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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Lol at Osie putting me back on the table after I say him and KJ are my pick for the team and want to specifically lynch him of that pair.

    Maybe I'm wrong, if so I will be the first to say as such in the post game.

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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Yeah I'm ready to vote Osie too at this point, the more I read today it just feels so fake. Couple that with Rhands claim analysis above.

    Is everyone ready to end today? Seems like discussion is tailing off a bit but not sure if people want to talk night actions a bit
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    I'm reading through the thread and the interactions and Osie game solving from everyone's perspectives. Which thanks for those, and in my eyes the team is either KJ/Osie or Lngrrr/Rhand. Lngrr could be scum with a couple other players but I just don't see that currently, looking mainly at those other two teams.

    Rhand feels very town today so far, not really interested in lynching him. Lngrr could be scum with.one of the other two but his posts with them feel pretty genuine in their back and forth about dead townies and their reads.

    Reading through today with KJ/Osie in my mind, I can't shake that first page of today as just scum theater, where they had a safe back and forth with each other. Like Osie talking about cantrip as if he's alive, KJ immediately retorting with derpclear denied, everything in their interactions feels way too safe.

    Rhand and Lngrrr read through the first 70 posts of today, tell me if you see what I see.

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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    I was the alignment cop, and I chose Cantrip because he was getting rolling and when he does he posts so much that I have a hard time discerning his alignment through all the words. Turns out he's town. But we all know that now. Boooo

    If I interpret votes right so far Rhand can only be scum with Lng? So I would rather look at lngrrr, and so far I haven't seen anything that says yes can't be scum even if I ignore Osies claim. Any vote interactions I missed with him?
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Will respect KJs claim order, seems okay enough to me.

    I like that question to Osie about that original Miller claim and am intrigued to hear the answer.

    Being conf Town takes all the weight off, let's see if I can push us forward the right way. Probably going to start with a full reread
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  • posted a message on Death in the Family - Game Over - A Family in Ruins
    I'm Ignazio, the little brother waiting while my older brother is the one set to inherit the family role, and as such I'm just vanilla town
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  • posted a message on Death in the Family - Game Over - A Family in Ruins
    People were happy to help you because you were obviously happy to help us, the difference being Osie was straight up saying he didn't care about catching uo. Essentially the difference between a please help me catch up (you) vs I don't feel like catching up (osie).

    It's not that he is my top suspect, I would still rather lynch Kami over Osie, but given where we are at in regards to deadline I moved my vote over. I would prefer to lynch Kami even but that doesn't seem like much of a possibility.

    In that list of four I think Osie is the only likely scum, so 1? Vaimes could be but I don't see that, and KJ and Grape I am going to keep assuming are town until we get enough data to start to suspect their claim, so most likely just the 1.

    Vez's vote on me is even worse than just a naked vote on me like KJ, shows a desire just simply to get to night with no spotlight on him

    I won't be able to post anything comprehensive, at work and it blocks the site, so limited to quick posting when I can.
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  • posted a message on Death in the Family - Game Over - A Family in Ruins
    I differentiated them simply because KJs vote was literally "Sure vote anak" whereas the others I mentioned like kind of half tried something maybe. It's not much but something. What part of that is alignment indicative for you? Like is it more townie for me to say all my votes are equally bad? That's patently false with Chris's vote and Tom's to a lesser degree, he's been consistent on his read with me though content to do nothing about it until the end of today when Chris ran with it.

    I will claim once there are more than two votes on me with reasoning. Yes I'm being that petulant. If most everyone wants to lynch me with votes that have almost literally nothing to them then I would rather gamble on keeping my role hidden, we don't deserve to win with piss poor play like this. Put some meat on those votes and I will acquiese but until then nope.

    @Chris I think you are town because you have shown an intense desire to take over the game and get us going in the right direction. Given where we were with one mislynch against us, a deadline running out, and a pretty decent facto lynch target, you could very easily have come in as scum, used the bit of time left to catch up on the game, voted for Osie and gotten to tomorrow without literally anyone batting an eye at you. Regardless of Osies alignment! A town flip wouldn't have been your fault, you joined the consensus given massive time constraints and would have been okay. And if Osie is scum it would have looked good for you gaining some bus credit entering a really bad spot for the town.

    Instead of all that, you came in and threw yourself at the game, picked up this dying town, threw it on your back, and are hard carrying it forward. Completely stopped the L-1 wagon with about 48 hours left, dove into everyone, and picked out other viable candidates for a lynch that you see as far more productive.

    There's simply no reason to ruffle that many feathers and draw that much attention to yourself as scum in that situation. So I'm willing to bet that you are far more likely to be town, and concede the game that small percentage of the time that you are scum.

    However, my piss poor play has made me your target, and I understand why. I had a decent entrance into the game, but for various reasons that don't matter I didn't keep up that level of dedication. Resulted in me providing surface level reads and analysis, and being okay with that as others were to various extents. couple that with hissy fits and emotions running high from others and I was far more content to sit on the sidelines than I should have been. I'm not happy with myself about that but what's done is done.

    I'm just trying to save us another mislynch and get us turned the right direction, so I implore you, what can I possibly do to keep myself alive? What questions can I answer or people to go for? I could talk about my own failings all day but I'm not sure that's going to help any of us.
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  • posted a message on Death in the Family - Game Over - A Family in Ruins
    Vote Osie

    I really hate the whole line with wanting people to catch him up instead of reading themselves, then complaining that people were scumreading them for that. I put in quite a large amount of time reading through and catching myself up, and it just screams scum that doesn't care much about previous events in the game, whereas even lazy town would have wanted to find the most important parts of the earlier game instead of just not caring at all and wanting others to save them the effort.

    Hey Chris! Glad to have you in the game, sort of since I seem to have drawn your ire. I know that I haven't done much this game, but give me the chance to defend myself here. Tom is going to scumread me no matter what, so that's essentially a non-starter. As it is there's just no time to do so, and leading to people throwing terrible votes on me hoping for that quick mislynch away from Osie.

    Like KJ's vote is awful, and Osie/GF/Vaimes are barely any better. I implore you to give me just a day tomorrow to try and defend myself and respond to these terrible pushes on me, I'm rather poor at actually making cases even for myself but I will do everything I can to show you how wrong you are.
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Vote No Lynch

    Sorry I have done most of nothing today, got wrapped up in mechanics and couldn't really get a bead on anyone after that, weird as KJ was. He is also my Desperado vote, not picking myself lol
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  • posted a message on Death in the Family - Game Over - A Family in Ruins
    Sorry all for not posting last night, fell asleep multiple times trying to type posts up. Resulted them making even less sense than what I normally type, so just had to punt to today. Also, welcome all newcomers into the game!

    OK. I looked at Tom's ISO. There are too many posts and they're too tom-shaped to go through and do a PBPA; instead I focused on getting a holistic view of Tom's positions.

    What I'm seeing is a relatively stable, but not locked-in core, surrounded by tendrils of chaotic action. He's got a couple of reads that form relatively quickly and are maintained over time, along with poking at other possibilities. The main scumread starts as Lngrrr, then goes to Mind (now Anak) where it stays stable for a long while. The progression there looks natural - most importantly it's not opportunistic (e.g. Mind picking up a wagon and Tom hopping on it). The chaotic tendrils around that are Tom poking at a bunch of other things, hopping on and off of other wagons, but those don't affect the core reads.

    People are talking about "twtbaw" and I don't see that - there's no obvious scumminess here.

    I do want tom to tell me what's up with his LnGrrrr read currently.


    I'm curious what you went into Tom's ISO expecting to find. Your conclusion was that there was no obvious scumminess, which did you seriously expect there to be? Maybe on like Day 5 when there are flips to base concrete things off of, but right now? Less so.

    This is looking more to me as a way of looking like you are doing something helpful for town, while not doing or saying much of anything.

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    tom's day 2 has been the huntiest he has been all game DV. I don't get what you saw on day 1 that gave you even the remotest impression he has been hunting. What I do like about him is that if he was a wolf trying to pile drive me, him resisting against you showing doubt strikes me as not something he would do. He wants people to vote me, but seems to care about their reasons, not something I would expect from a wolf pushing a mislynch.


    @everyone what do you think of johnny making this post, followed by wolfreading me entirely for calling him scum? And why have you not majjed him?

    Especially @anak and @vaimes who have stated the exact opposite of the first sentence

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    @osi sorry your predeccesor outed you so hard
    Bold move making the same made up town read devoid of a single reason on anak slot. That will keep me awake tonight prolly


    I certainly think GJ is incorrect is his judgment of your behavior. The progression from that post to calling you scum kind of fits in a sense that he was carrying a lot of emotion through the game, and as such when you called him scum he just recoiled and went the other direction. Which isn't to say he wasn't being logical, just more of getting on the right path with logic and rocketing down it with emotion. With GJ its been shown even in this game that being rather emotional, while generally townie, can be faked from him specifically, in which case do you really see this as very alignment indicative?

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    So I'm now in a game that I had no plan to play.
    That is both hilarious and depressing.

    I thought your slot was leaning town but it uh, took a pretty swift nosedive.


    Shrugs

    Still VT.

    Do you know if Grape ever confirmed the Killjoy thing?


    Why do you keep mentioning your (supposed) role when it literally means nothing?
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