So, now, if he gets killed, it's his fault, not your's... right hawkeye?
You're cute.
This is the second time you has completely misrepresented a post That I made and gave it a completely unjustified and incorrect spin.
Niv publically announced that he had been released. I had worked to specifically set up a situation that offered Niv a degree of protection that no other player in the game had. So when I saw Niv publically throw that protection away I have to ask myself why. One of the possibilities is that he did not realize the value in not letting anyone know he had been released. If that is the case i had to make sure that he was educated so that in the future he might better be able to recognize the benefits of situations he may fine himself in. I wanted to be sure that if he happened to find himself in this sdame situation this game that he was aware of all the possible uses of what had happened to him.
I'm going to assume that you did not realize just how off the mark your last post was. I hope you now see the real reasoning that went into my post.
@ Loran, I have already this, but yes I can protect/hold someone indefinitely.
Niv you could also have used your ability without anyone thinking that you could or knowing that you did.
I'm just saying, there were several benefits to the position you were in that you no longer have.
Niv, you do realize you could have not said that and the scum would not have been able to tell if you were still in lock up or not. By not posting the fact that I let you out you would have increased the chance that the scum might not target you.
I had hoped that my hints to you, and spelling out the situation in my post a while back would have made it clear to you this might be a good tactic for you to try.
Oh well, What's done is done.
Hawkeye's dismissive attitude toward Cyan's comparison to Kung Fu is pure, unadulterated scum. FOS Hawkeye
Mod: Could we get a vote count? I need to decide whether a vote is appropriate here.
Xyre, I’m not being dismissive of Cyan’s comparison to Kung Fu, I’m being dismissive of Cyan and his obsession with trying to make himself look like he can read me.
I’m flat out telling you and Cyan and everyone else that he is, once again, completely wrong. Xyre, how many times have you seem this happen in a game? How many times has Cyan posted some deep, impressive sounding analysis of what is actually a vague generalization? And how many times has he posted it with such conviction and repetition that this analysis is proof that he has found me to be scum? How many times have you seen me post that he was wrong and how many times has it turned out that Cyan was in fact completely wrong just like I said? Then ask yourself, how many times have you seen Cyan do this to other players? It is actually amazing how many times he has been wrong about me. It is also amazing to what lengths Cyan has gone to try to manufacture a reputation of being able to read me. I’m not sure why I have become the white whale for Cyan’s Ahab, but that is what seems to have happened.
I am actually going to spend the time to go back and tally just how many times Cyan has done this and just how many times he has been wrong. I honestly don’t think Cyan will ever admit it but he knows this is the case.
Perhaps my last post was a little chippy and that is what you are picking up as me being dismissive of his comparison to Kung Fu Mafia. When I read his post, I just had to shake my head. It has gone beyond any reasonable belief for me to see, yet again, Cyan post a completely wrong analysis of me and use it to say he can read me and that I’m scum. This is probably very similar to how players who really are good analysts, like Azrael, Axelrod, and others, must feel when they are night killed very early in the game. The main difference that I see is that, unlike them, I know who is going to do it to me every game.
Xyre remember this post when I’m dead. Remember this post when it is show, yet again, that I was telling the truth about everything I said. Remember it when it is shown that, once again, Cyan was completely wrong.
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What do you know about that.
Who is that picture of?
Well, remember, just like cyan said, even though i was telling the truth about the character my role is I could be lying about everything else.
Please tell me you see how that post of Cyan's was pre-emtively minimizing the fact that I was telling the truth.
And Arimnaes still hasn't updated his avatar, but earlier he responded to my PM and let me know it was received. So..soon hopefully.
Honestly, I almost wish I hadn't targeted HE at this point, because even if he is Alberta Green, he still has read as 100% scum to me since this whole fiasco started.
WELL now this is New.
So, you are already trying to minimize any credibility I will get when Arimnae confirms my claim of being Alberta Green. As I said, this is new. It is also pathetic. You were the one who suggested testing my claim with your ability. Now, when you realize that you may not have caught me in a lie you are trying to discredit me even before I am proven to have been telling the truth about my claim. Of course there are also the possibilities that you lied about sending in the pm to use your ability on me or that your ability works differently then you have described. For now I am going to proceed on the premise that you did not lie about your ability and that it does work the way you have said it does.
This reminds me alot of Kung Fu, where HE managed to come across as pro-town the whole game, but when he got caught in a scum action(an NK) and called on it, his demeanor changed drastically. He's not so good under pressure when he's scum, I don't think.
Cyan, honestly, give it up.
I'm not sure what it is with you that makes you, game after game, make this kind of foolish sweeping statement about me. I am honestly getting tired of saying, “ I wish I had a dollar for every time you did this” and every time I told you, well before it was proven, how wrong you are.
For some reason you are hell-bent on showing just how obsessed you are in trying to prove that you can read me.
Give it up Cyan. You are wrong again. If you are a town player in this game I suggest you put this insecurity you have about me aside. Put it aside before you, again, make yourself look even more foolish and contribute to losing the town a very valuable role.
Except he didn't do it on day 1 or day 2, when there were two mafia kills flying around. He's only deployed it once there's no terrorist kill to worry about. If he was really using it that way, he would have used it after Niv declared his result on day 1, but he didn't. Hoping the other scum group would kill Niv, no doubt.
Wrong.
Day one several things combined to make me decide not to use my ability.
First, I had no reason to believe Niv at the time.
Second, The timing of Niv’s claim and ability use did not give me any opportunity to anticipate that the need to protect him.
Third, and most important, I did not see Niv’s claim and results until after he had already made his post revealing that he had done what he had done.
The most effective time for me to use my ability is when I can reasonably predict that it will be useful. I could protect any player and they would not be able to use their ability. If I protect them only when they are likely to be targeted the chance of being successful is much higher. Also my ability allows the player being protected to decide when to reveal that they are no longer being protected. That is if I don't reveal it, which I might or might not do as the situation dictates and if revealing the information would be in the best interests of the town to be known.
That was what I thought you were trying to do Raf. You did not reveal that you were no longer being role blocked until well after you were let go. The same thing is happening to Niv now. I protected him, but I have not said one way or the other if I have released him. Any scum player who is interested to test if my protection is still in effect will have to be willing to risk possibly wasting their attack. All I can say is according to my role PM there may not be anything in the game that can harm Niv while he is under my protection.
Plus the whole pattern wherein he played out the event of Niv using his ability today to maximize the town role information that leaked out.
You are spinning this to present it in a negative light.
I have already explained my thinking here. I knew I had used my ability on you at the moment that you would be most likely be targeted for a kill. Yes, I did allow Niv to then use his ability on you because I wanted to see who the other players were that were targeting you at that moment. Obviously, one of those players should have been the scum player I anticipated. Once Niv used his ability and revealed his information I put him under protection.
You may disagree with my thinking, but it is completely academic right now. I have done what I have done and I have explained with perfect honesty why I did it.
No, you are absolutely wrong .
I am frankly surprised that you have not learned from prior experience with me that this is a tell. I have two. I actively cultivate them and I had thought that you were one of a few of players who may have recognized them. Axelrod, Azrael and DYH being the others. I guess I was wrong, or you are scum and are simply mischaracterizing my actions to try to get a town power role lynched.
Either way, the sun shall not shine as brightly for me.
HE7- well, if you released me, releasing me exactly 3 hours after it went into play is amazingly coincidental...
Hmmm, well, apparently my timing is amazing. Whether you believe me or not I did release you. I could have kept you in lock down indefinitely. I only wanted to keep you there long enough to be reasonably sure you had been already targetted by any kill attempt coming at you.
And using it on Niv now is all well and good, but the point is- why did you not protect Niv earlier? Why did you not use it until the 3rd lynch of the game had been decided? Where was it until then?
Did Niv need to be protected earlier? Seems he is here and well. I held my ability until a point where I was fairly confident that the scum would have decided that it did not exist and would not be playing to take it into account. I also waited until I felt confident that I would have a very good chance of catching scum in the attempt of making kills that I would be able to predict.
And why didn't you declare yourself before Niv outed his results, or even better, before he used up his ability for the day?
Why would I want to do that? I wanted to wait so as to use my ability on Niv in a second attempt to do the same thing I had with you. Had I declared myself before that I would have lost that opportunity. Scum play differently when they are aware that they have a protection role that they have to take into account.
If you were town, you would know that if you're the roleblocker there's no guarantee that Niv targetting me will find any scum at all. You could have owned up to this before Niv used his ability. You could have owned up before he exposed the other two (for all you knew one or both were town power roles).
I'm going the latter path. I know you're scum, and I know you well enough not to let you expose more and more town information on your way out. You're brazenly trying to prove yourself by proving that you're the jailer, but jailer does not mean you're townie, not at all.
vote Hawkeye7
Raf, what do you think the odds of you having been protected from a kill while I had you in lock down?
How many scum do you think are still in this game? Is it a good play right now for a scum player to create as much attention to themselves as I have right now?
What are the odds that Niv may have been protected from a kill?
As for how could I know that Niv would find any scum at all, the same way I knew Stormblind was not town, the same way I knew Alx2 was not only mafia but I also knew what his exact role was in another game, the same way I knew Myrf/Xyre was mafia in another game. It is yet to be seen if I’m right this time, but I think I am.
Look, I’ve told the truth in everything I have said, as I have so many other times before. I doubt anything cyan comes up with is going to change the minds of players who are too lazy to look for real suspicious activity when they can vote for someone who tried to use his ability in a unique manner and trap the scum into wasting two kill attempts.
Lynch me if you want. You will at least see that I was telling the truth, again, and there will be some interesting posts to look at from players hell bent on lynching a protection role.
HE7: If it will make you comfortable enough to answer, I'll ask you some questions directly.
Who else have you targeted?
Have you failed in an attempt? (yes or no)
“If it will make me comfortable enough to answer”? I’m not sure I understand what that means. I do understand that I already told you that you I will not tell you who else I may or may not have targeted. I do understand that this is the second time you have fished for that information and I do understand the you have been fishing for information on several other occasions this game. Information that you don’t need to know and information that could be of help to the scum.
No, I will not answer your questions Fish.
I will say this. If you wanted to find out the answer to you question there is another way to do it but I don’t think you will be able to figure out how.
Then feel free to answer, if you have a worthwhile response. You've already attempted to explain your actions, though, and your answers weren't actually any good, so I figured better ones wouldn't be forthcoming.
And you are making this statement based on just the limited information that you have on the situation. The point I am making here is that you are not attempting to increase the amount of information that you have to better be able to make an informed opinion OR to increase the useful information available to the town.
Yes, I am stating reasons for my vote, rather than trying to give you another opportunity to defend yourself. But my questions hardly preclude you defending yourself.
a town player should always be trying to take the opportunity to increase the odds of catching a scum player AND to minimize the chance that a town player is mistakenly lynched. What you are engaged in doing does not do either of these things. What you are doing is trying to make an unsupported vote by you look as inconspicuous as possible, al the while casting suspicion on me.
As for me defending myself, I have already. I have told the truth and I am confident that it will be proven out.
1) Where are his other targets? If he's largely a doc, what motivation did he have not to use his ability earlier on?
2) The timing of his ability doesn't make sense, either. Why would he block Raf when he did, right after Raf claimed an ability of fairly critical importance?
I mean, he neglects to use his ability on players who may not have important abilities they need to use, but once one shows up, he immediately targets that player. Fishy.
I like how you pose these questions but not to me. You don't seem interested in finding out why I did something or providing me an opportunity to answer these questions.
Each of these is a comment designed to make me look suspicous while being presented in the guise of a question. Questions you are not asking anyone.
Well, I can test one aspect of HE's claim, so I'll go ahead and do that and let you know the results whenever Arimnaes gets around to telling me tomorrow.
I'm not sure how much I'm sold on Xyre's claim either..more on that after I have information on Hawkeye.
Very good.
Any aspect of what I have said that you can test, you will find that I have told the truth.
Is there anyone or anything else, Hawk? Because I'm ready to lynch you with the info on the table.
you are ready to lynch me?
Really?
You can lynch me all by yourself?
Wow, that IS a powerful role.
is there anyone else? You have no way of knowing and I will not tell you.
If you honestly can't see that I've not only told the entire truth, but that I acted in a manner that is clearly in the best interests of the town, then I suggest you go back and actually look at the events and my posts and re-read them.
For clarification, I protected Niv after I protected Raf.
6:50 is right (this also has bearing on Kraj, since he claimed to have targeted me at 6:50 also).
Mind you, it wore off at 9:50 (I chose not to mention this earlier because why remind the scum that their ability wore off?), and I would have thought you'd mention that if you'd chosen to let me out.
It did not wear off, I released you. I sent in the order to lock you up and sent a second pm shortly after that to have you released. I hope that I just passed if that was a test.
Yes, I did.
Just as I did with Raf. After Niv revealed his information and after I had posted prompting him to reveal the information, I put Niv into CTU protective lock down. Again, I did it for the exact same reasons as I did with Raf. Niv had used his ability so I locked him down while he could not use his ability and hoped that the scum would be drawn to the attention he had drawn and tried to kill him before he could use his ability again.
Niv is the second player I mentioned earlier that you might want to hear from before lynching me.
The point is that the underlying reasons are the same and it is almost never correct to jail a confirmed power role. Judging from reactions so far, it seems the rest of the town agrees with me so I don't feel the need to justify my argument further.
Well, I can see why you would be so quick to try to grab as much credibility as you can here, but as far as I can tell, at this point you might have four players agreeing with you. That is by no means the rest of the town. secondly, the underlying reasons are not the same. You know what the situation of one game actually was and you have a very limited veiw, a single players perspective of what the set up and situations are in this game. This is a very weak attempt to discredit my actions based on what could be a completely irrelevent comparison.
I personally don't care what you think of my choice of targets. It will remain to be seen if what I did worked out as I thought and hoped it would.
I will be happy to add my vote to you once it is established that the town is reasonably satisfied with my own claim.
It is always safest to take no position when you can't be sure what other information has yet to be revealed that could catch you in a contradiction or worse. The fence is a very comfortable place for a scum player and the best side to slide off on is the one that everyone else tells you to fall on.
At the time I chose to protect Raf, IMO, it was likely he would be targetted for termination. Since two other players also targetted Raf at the same time, I'd say I was right. If one of the others was a town power role, well then I think two LIVING revealed town roles is better then One hidden and one dead town power role.
Nothing; I do not receive any flavor from my ability. I simply get confirmation that it is active.
Really?
So, you don't have to be near your target to protect them?
You don't have to be able to see them or know where they are to be able to protect them?
So... you kept him alive so that he could not use his ability that had just caught scum? I seem to recall the town being pretty adamant in 1001 Nights that this is a terrible way to use a jailer.
I will let Raf speak to the part of this statement, but as to the second, what bearing does 1001 Nights and the things that happened in that game have on this one. The set up is completely different. The situations in this game are completely different. just because something that did not work well inone game does not mean that it should never be tried in another game or that it is hense forth some unwritten rule that anyone who might dare to use said tactic is scummy.
If you think my claim is Hugely scummy then why didn't you FOS or vote for me?
I think you reaction is enough to confirm my suspicions of you though.
Vote : Kraj
Rush to vote if you want folks. But I suggest you wait until Raf posts before you lynch me. Oh and there is one other person you might want to wait to hear from too.
This is the second time you has completely misrepresented a post That I made and gave it a completely unjustified and incorrect spin.
Niv publically announced that he had been released. I had worked to specifically set up a situation that offered Niv a degree of protection that no other player in the game had. So when I saw Niv publically throw that protection away I have to ask myself why. One of the possibilities is that he did not realize the value in not letting anyone know he had been released. If that is the case i had to make sure that he was educated so that in the future he might better be able to recognize the benefits of situations he may fine himself in. I wanted to be sure that if he happened to find himself in this sdame situation this game that he was aware of all the possible uses of what had happened to him.
I'm going to assume that you did not realize just how off the mark your last post was. I hope you now see the real reasoning that went into my post.
@ Loran, I have already this, but yes I can protect/hold someone indefinitely.
Niv you could also have used your ability without anyone thinking that you could or knowing that you did.
I'm just saying, there were several benefits to the position you were in that you no longer have.
Niv, you do realize you could have not said that and the scum would not have been able to tell if you were still in lock up or not. By not posting the fact that I let you out you would have increased the chance that the scum might not target you.
I had hoped that my hints to you, and spelling out the situation in my post a while back would have made it clear to you this might be a good tactic for you to try.
Oh well, What's done is done.
Xyre, I’m not being dismissive of Cyan’s comparison to Kung Fu, I’m being dismissive of Cyan and his obsession with trying to make himself look like he can read me.
I’m flat out telling you and Cyan and everyone else that he is, once again, completely wrong. Xyre, how many times have you seem this happen in a game? How many times has Cyan posted some deep, impressive sounding analysis of what is actually a vague generalization? And how many times has he posted it with such conviction and repetition that this analysis is proof that he has found me to be scum? How many times have you seen me post that he was wrong and how many times has it turned out that Cyan was in fact completely wrong just like I said? Then ask yourself, how many times have you seen Cyan do this to other players? It is actually amazing how many times he has been wrong about me. It is also amazing to what lengths Cyan has gone to try to manufacture a reputation of being able to read me. I’m not sure why I have become the white whale for Cyan’s Ahab, but that is what seems to have happened.
I am actually going to spend the time to go back and tally just how many times Cyan has done this and just how many times he has been wrong. I honestly don’t think Cyan will ever admit it but he knows this is the case.
Perhaps my last post was a little chippy and that is what you are picking up as me being dismissive of his comparison to Kung Fu Mafia. When I read his post, I just had to shake my head. It has gone beyond any reasonable belief for me to see, yet again, Cyan post a completely wrong analysis of me and use it to say he can read me and that I’m scum. This is probably very similar to how players who really are good analysts, like Azrael, Axelrod, and others, must feel when they are night killed very early in the game. The main difference that I see is that, unlike them, I know who is going to do it to me every game.
Xyre remember this post when I’m dead. Remember this post when it is show, yet again, that I was telling the truth about everything I said. Remember it when it is shown that, once again, Cyan was completely wrong.
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What do you know about that.
Who is that picture of?
Well, remember, just like cyan said, even though i was telling the truth about the character my role is I could be lying about everything else.
Please tell me you see how that post of Cyan's was pre-emtively minimizing the fact that I was telling the truth.
WELL now this is New.
So, you are already trying to minimize any credibility I will get when Arimnae confirms my claim of being Alberta Green. As I said, this is new. It is also pathetic. You were the one who suggested testing my claim with your ability. Now, when you realize that you may not have caught me in a lie you are trying to discredit me even before I am proven to have been telling the truth about my claim. Of course there are also the possibilities that you lied about sending in the pm to use your ability on me or that your ability works differently then you have described. For now I am going to proceed on the premise that you did not lie about your ability and that it does work the way you have said it does.
Cyan, honestly, give it up.
I'm not sure what it is with you that makes you, game after game, make this kind of foolish sweeping statement about me. I am honestly getting tired of saying, “ I wish I had a dollar for every time you did this” and every time I told you, well before it was proven, how wrong you are.
For some reason you are hell-bent on showing just how obsessed you are in trying to prove that you can read me.
Give it up Cyan. You are wrong again. If you are a town player in this game I suggest you put this insecurity you have about me aside. Put it aside before you, again, make yourself look even more foolish and contribute to losing the town a very valuable role.
Day one several things combined to make me decide not to use my ability.
First, I had no reason to believe Niv at the time.
Second, The timing of Niv’s claim and ability use did not give me any opportunity to anticipate that the need to protect him.
Third, and most important, I did not see Niv’s claim and results until after he had already made his post revealing that he had done what he had done.
The most effective time for me to use my ability is when I can reasonably predict that it will be useful. I could protect any player and they would not be able to use their ability. If I protect them only when they are likely to be targeted the chance of being successful is much higher. Also my ability allows the player being protected to decide when to reveal that they are no longer being protected. That is if I don't reveal it, which I might or might not do as the situation dictates and if revealing the information would be in the best interests of the town to be known.
That was what I thought you were trying to do Raf. You did not reveal that you were no longer being role blocked until well after you were let go. The same thing is happening to Niv now. I protected him, but I have not said one way or the other if I have released him. Any scum player who is interested to test if my protection is still in effect will have to be willing to risk possibly wasting their attack. All I can say is according to my role PM there may not be anything in the game that can harm Niv while he is under my protection.
You are spinning this to present it in a negative light.
I have already explained my thinking here. I knew I had used my ability on you at the moment that you would be most likely be targeted for a kill. Yes, I did allow Niv to then use his ability on you because I wanted to see who the other players were that were targeting you at that moment. Obviously, one of those players should have been the scum player I anticipated. Once Niv used his ability and revealed his information I put him under protection.
You may disagree with my thinking, but it is completely academic right now. I have done what I have done and I have explained with perfect honesty why I did it.
No, you are absolutely wrong .
I am frankly surprised that you have not learned from prior experience with me that this is a tell. I have two. I actively cultivate them and I had thought that you were one of a few of players who may have recognized them. Axelrod, Azrael and DYH being the others. I guess I was wrong, or you are scum and are simply mischaracterizing my actions to try to get a town power role lynched.
Either way, the sun shall not shine as brightly for me.
Did Niv need to be protected earlier? Seems he is here and well. I held my ability until a point where I was fairly confident that the scum would have decided that it did not exist and would not be playing to take it into account. I also waited until I felt confident that I would have a very good chance of catching scum in the attempt of making kills that I would be able to predict.
Why would I want to do that? I wanted to wait so as to use my ability on Niv in a second attempt to do the same thing I had with you. Had I declared myself before that I would have lost that opportunity. Scum play differently when they are aware that they have a protection role that they have to take into account.
Raf, what do you think the odds of you having been protected from a kill while I had you in lock down?
How many scum do you think are still in this game? Is it a good play right now for a scum player to create as much attention to themselves as I have right now?
What are the odds that Niv may have been protected from a kill?
As for how could I know that Niv would find any scum at all, the same way I knew Stormblind was not town, the same way I knew Alx2 was not only mafia but I also knew what his exact role was in another game, the same way I knew Myrf/Xyre was mafia in another game. It is yet to be seen if I’m right this time, but I think I am.
Look, I’ve told the truth in everything I have said, as I have so many other times before. I doubt anything cyan comes up with is going to change the minds of players who are too lazy to look for real suspicious activity when they can vote for someone who tried to use his ability in a unique manner and trap the scum into wasting two kill attempts.
Lynch me if you want. You will at least see that I was telling the truth, again, and there will be some interesting posts to look at from players hell bent on lynching a protection role.
With that I’m going to crash. See you in the A.M.
Do you think about what you post before you post it?
Why would you insinuate that I lied about anything?
“If it will make me comfortable enough to answer”? I’m not sure I understand what that means. I do understand that I already told you that you I will not tell you who else I may or may not have targeted. I do understand that this is the second time you have fished for that information and I do understand the you have been fishing for information on several other occasions this game. Information that you don’t need to know and information that could be of help to the scum.
No, I will not answer your questions Fish.
I will say this. If you wanted to find out the answer to you question there is another way to do it but I don’t think you will be able to figure out how.
And you are making this statement based on just the limited information that you have on the situation. The point I am making here is that you are not attempting to increase the amount of information that you have to better be able to make an informed opinion OR to increase the useful information available to the town.
a town player should always be trying to take the opportunity to increase the odds of catching a scum player AND to minimize the chance that a town player is mistakenly lynched. What you are engaged in doing does not do either of these things. What you are doing is trying to make an unsupported vote by you look as inconspicuous as possible, al the while casting suspicion on me.
As for me defending myself, I have already. I have told the truth and I am confident that it will be proven out.
I like how you pose these questions but not to me. You don't seem interested in finding out why I did something or providing me an opportunity to answer these questions.
Each of these is a comment designed to make me look suspicous while being presented in the guise of a question. Questions you are not asking anyone.
Very good.
Any aspect of what I have said that you can test, you will find that I have told the truth.
you are ready to lynch me?
Really?
You can lynch me all by yourself?
Wow, that IS a powerful role.
is there anyone else? You have no way of knowing and I will not tell you.
If you honestly can't see that I've not only told the entire truth, but that I acted in a manner that is clearly in the best interests of the town, then I suggest you go back and actually look at the events and my posts and re-read them.
For clarification, I protected Niv after I protected Raf.
It did not wear off, I released you. I sent in the order to lock you up and sent a second pm shortly after that to have you released.
I hope that I just passed if that was a test.
I’m not surprised. A little disappointed but not surprised. I has to ask many questions to clarify as much a I have a role that is this complex.
Yes, I did.
Just as I did with Raf. After Niv revealed his information and after I had posted prompting him to reveal the information, I put Niv into CTU protective lock down. Again, I did it for the exact same reasons as I did with Raf. Niv had used his ability so I locked him down while he could not use his ability and hoped that the scum would be drawn to the attention he had drawn and tried to kill him before he could use his ability again.
Niv is the second player I mentioned earlier that you might want to hear from before lynching me.
Well, I can see why you would be so quick to try to grab as much credibility as you can here, but as far as I can tell, at this point you might have four players agreeing with you. That is by no means the rest of the town. secondly, the underlying reasons are not the same. You know what the situation of one game actually was and you have a very limited veiw, a single players perspective of what the set up and situations are in this game. This is a very weak attempt to discredit my actions based on what could be a completely irrelevent comparison.
I personally don't care what you think of my choice of targets. It will remain to be seen if what I did worked out as I thought and hoped it would.
It is always safest to take no position when you can't be sure what other information has yet to be revealed that could catch you in a contradiction or worse. The fence is a very comfortable place for a scum player and the best side to slide off on is the one that everyone else tells you to fall on.
At the time I chose to protect Raf, IMO, it was likely he would be targetted for termination. Since two other players also targetted Raf at the same time, I'd say I was right. If one of the others was a town power role, well then I think two LIVING revealed town roles is better then One hidden and one dead town power role.
You do remember that I am the town power role that i was waiting for Niv to reveal right?:rolleyes:
Really?
So, you don't have to be near your target to protect them?
You don't have to be able to see them or know where they are to be able to protect them?
I will let Raf speak to the part of this statement, but as to the second, what bearing does 1001 Nights and the things that happened in that game have on this one. The set up is completely different. The situations in this game are completely different. just because something that did not work well inone game does not mean that it should never be tried in another game or that it is hense forth some unwritten rule that anyone who might dare to use said tactic is scummy.
If you think my claim is Hugely scummy then why didn't you FOS or vote for me?
I think you reaction is enough to confirm my suspicions of you though.
Vote : Kraj
Rush to vote if you want folks. But I suggest you wait until Raf posts before you lynch me. Oh and there is one other person you might want to wait to hear from too.