Magic Market Index for July 13th, 2018
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  • posted a message on "Formal logic" and the comprehensive rules: the recent changes to loops
    Quote from peteroupc »
    nothing in the comprehensive rules explicitly allows players to reveal cards they're allowed to see, and

    You mean e. g. a player is allowed to look at another player's hand and you argue they should be allowed to just reveal that card to a third player? Seems sketchy.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Expert Explorers Hunting Relics - Elf and Kor Partner legends
    I like what partner with can offer and these two tell a neat story about their partnership. "Hey, found a mystical doodad for you." "Neat. It points us toward more treasure. Let me show you the way." is straightforward and evocatice. Those two could have their own tv series that goes downhill when they adopt a troublesome teenage goblin girl grabbing all the screen time in season three. ^^

    What I mean is that they have character and are functional. Good.

    I'll echo though that the cards that you look at shouldn't go back onto the library. If there is one thing I'll never (or immediately) tire of telling people it is that Augury Owl takes the bad of Sage Owls design and replaces it with good.


    @Legend: Recall that partner with legendaries still are inherently card-advantageous. 2/3 for two with upside hence likely is pushing it despite the drawback legendary presents.
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
  • posted a message on Graftable Chimeras
    The concept is very good. The cycle is new and unique enough that the "no reused keyword" aspect is something not necessary, but its your arbitrary restriction. You go with a four-card cycle that has blue in every member. Any reason for that?

    I recall exploring both reinforce and Chimeras, but not ever putting the two together like this. Neat.
    Quote from user_938036 »
    If you want to stick to evergreen abilities that don't repeat you can give red prowess

    I would not count on that. Wink
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
  • posted a message on Commander 2018 themes and art
    Quote from Watchwolf »
    Maybe Gavin's comments weren't directed toward the stream, but there's no defense for the fact that the product page sold us on four decks built around planeswalker commanders, then they come back and tell use that's not true.

    This cannot stand. The stream does not tell you anything that contradicts "Call on powerful planeswalkers and deploy their signature strategies to make sure you're the last player standing." [>] That statement is still true. In fact the theme reveal clarifies what "their signature strategies" are. The product page mentioned those strategies and the theme reveal enumerates them. When talking about "themes" a mechanical theme is a reasonable expectation just as much if not more than a 'top-down theme'.

    The product page does not tell you what came first: the planeswalker or the strategie, just that both are expected parts - the stream goes into more detail on one of the two - as promised.

    I personally wanted more and hoped for it because there is precedent for more significant reveals, and it is okay to be disappointed and even call the marketing in question by underdelivering within the realms of expectation.

    But your criticism implies they lied to you, told you something that is "not true" and that is not conclussive.

    I for example expect still planeswalkers and now expect them to be either designed towards the signature strategy revealed or picked with the strategy in mind. Which is indirect information towards the planeswalkers. You wished for more direct information? That's fine. You imply the information invalidates earlier information? You seem to be just too narrow in your focus.

    You literally had approximately two data points to latch onto and chose the one that wouldn't be satisfied. It happens.


    BTW, have you watched the whole sream/video the Kamigawa quote is from? It's from minute 14 of a 35 minute video and I have not verified that the quotes context is not just that video and he talks about Kamigawa within the very same video. At the very least he makes the statement right after stating that he likes to "slip in" Kamigawa cards like O-Kagachi into supplemental product. That doesn't actually sound like "main theme" or "face character" as much as "individual cards". Maybe this time we get twice as many references to Kamigawa than last year, but that still wouldn't equate to a dedicated deck theme.

    The fact that from context it was a throw away comment and may very well be a spontaneous rather than scripted/planned comment calls into question any criticism that relies on the quote. If the quote came from a written post to social media just containing that line, I would consider likely part of a conscious marketing strategy, but the treatment focussing on that line as clickbait stand-alone statement were AFAIK the media reporting on the incident not WotC.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Arena Unique Cards
    Digital and Paper formats featuring different cards is nothing new. Anyone remember how Aether Revolt Limited Booster Packs did not contain Masterpieces in Magic Online? That's how it starts.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Arena Unique Cards
    Quote from Jiyor »
    And why are some of the cards themed from planes that aren’t even in Arena? Arena is Kaladesh forward, so why even have Innistrad and Tarkir artwork?

    Doesn't Arena have C19? That means it should have any plane, right? Since core sets are planar mish-mash. Why would NPE cards any different?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Commander 2018 themes and art
    Quote from Empathogen »
    However, Wednesday Addams has a *lot* of blank space above her head,
    and I suspect that could mean she isn't a PW.

    I have checked the way these arts would/could be cropped for card art and both of these have an aspect-ratio-of-card-illustration-shaped section that fills out nicely. For the person with the masks, the masks themselves define a horizontal region that fits nicely in a card frame (both if used as planeswalker, and used as illustration that crops the bottom section entirely). For the creepy kid the butterlies actually do a great job allowing the kid to be positioned in such a way that the "empty space" above sells the "this is a small person" aspect that comes with being a child, while still filling out the frame with something to look at that avoids any real "visual vaccuum" (same as above: this works for planeswalker frame as well as normal card frame, but due to the color scheme looks far better in a monoblack frame than a gold frame). It's neat and both artists deserve credit for taking this into account (assuming the art is cropped like I did - and I don't see why it wouldn't be).
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Arena Unique Cards
    Also; why format cards with "only play this if you're under attack" instead of just making it an instant?

    Please clarify. Confront the Assault is an instant.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Kamigawa - Vision and Expectations
    Disclaimer: I'm currently playtesting a Duel Deck that doesn't try to "return" to Kamigawa, but is part of a project to "reimagine"/"remake" the original block with better mechanics.

    Yep, Dominaria certainly took the wind out of my sails on the front of exploring history. My pitch for Kamigawa always was: "So Kamigawa is a prequel to Legends and by now thousands of years have passed? Well, then the thing tying old Kamigawa to new Kamigawa is one of history - legendary creatures are descendants of legendaries of times past, there are ancient artifacts left from the time of strife, flavor showcases the leftover battlefields and ruisn of the old feud and the restoration after the war."

    Another point flavorwise to emphasise is that the war is over and the kami/gods are still there. They are omnipresent and interactable, revered. Notable is that mortals/kami are no two opposing factions anymore, so any venture into tribal would have to be less "Spirit vs. non-Spirt" but more "Spirit plus non-Spirit" the same way Oni use to work in the original Kamigawa-block (Demon+Ogre tribal). (Once again: Something I put forward before.)

    Kamigawa being a split plane predates the split Theros, so some neat ideas like enchantment creatures have been used there.

    I consider "anime" not much of a genre to take from. It's so broad, it's meaningless. Is it about love icosahedra? About someone trying to find out how to make the bread that best represents their home? About a novel by American author Louisa May Alcott? There is obviously the issue that "shounen" kinda imports some issues being about a target demographic as well/rather than as themes - unfortunately I cannot say anything about the "Bleach" you mention to use it as a reference point.

    As far as I can tell though the story of "transformative journeys" is not something that is unique to anime and has a long tradition in japanese culture and is part of what the flip-cards in the original Kamigawa-block were about - a student becoming a master through accomlishment. Whether that should happen to transform is another question.

    Something western audiences might be appreciative of is also Japanese horror stories - many of them kinda overlapping with the everyday mysticism that involves kami. Having little gods live in the world separated from your own by a thin permeable veil can be wondrous as well as terrifying.

    One aspect that the aforementioned "Shounen" stories often emphasise in addition to pure action and comedy that might serve as a cool jumping of point is camaraderie. A large shift from how Kamigawa-block didn't emphasise the relationships between characters, but the big names themselves. There were rulers and martial masters and generals, but does the flavor text even know about the Hyozan Reckoners (okay, maybe not the most functional group)?

    Representing that mechanically may be a challenge, but certainly a new direction that moves away from "re-skinned Innistrad" as well. My own take on this always wanders towards the "a kid and their monster" motif - something that's also well-represented in some of the anime that makes it across the pond.
    Posted in: Custom Set Creation and Discussion
  • posted a message on Commander 2018 themes and art
    I kinda hope the creepy child is not a face-planeswalker. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for a planeswalker that is also a creepy bog child, but that art is so much more satisfying with a monocolored black frame. Helps the accents of color to be more prominent than a gold frame.

    That said the lilypads are probably a nice texture to have behind the text box.

    A quick mock-up confirms that both vertical illustrations work well cropped and the creepy child would look weird if not cropped at all, so maybe this is just artists laying out their art the way they want even if only a detail of the illustration is used as card art. Anyone remember the promotional art for the moxes?

    Though the Agent of Faces certainly could be a planeswalker rather than some rare creature, it's certainly possible both ways.
    Quote from Jhyrryl »
    Kinda looks like it, doesn't it. And Sorin standing behind him.

    Everyone who wears a hood is Jace. Everyone with white hair is Sorin. And Academy Journeymage is Narset.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Commander 2018 themes and art
    Quote from Spaz350 »
    Someone over on reddit pointed out that the Knight artwork bears some visual resemblance to General Varchild: (hope this has not been mentioned already and it is ok to post the link)

    Holy crap. There are a LOT of connections there.

    Really cool if true, love it.

    After skimming the link I've found an image that points out how the two are each wielding a sword (different to each other except in the color scheme which is common among all swords) and the fact that they have symbols in such likely places as their shield and on their horse armor with the symbols clearly being distinct from each other.

    I entirely fail to see the connections.
    Really? Tell me how many non-humanoid tricolor legends they put in a standard set during the past years.
    Muldrotha in Dominaria
    Gishath and Zacama in Ixalan
    and then... oh right, nothing until Alara. Frigging 2008.

    I don't know whether I trust your list's comprehensiveness after ignoring the new Elder Dragons.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Arena Unique Cards
    For everyone else in search of further images:

    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Theme reveal and pictures tomorrow
    Quote from theMarc »
    Does anyone else find it weird that three of the four decks are about card types, and the last is about a game zone? Why was the fourth deck "top of library" and not "creatures" or "instants/sorceries"? It feels... off.

    Well, last year had four creature-themed decks, didn't it? My guess: They tried instant/sorcery-themed until they came up with some spells that let you cast instants/sorceries from the top of your library, played around with it, and for some reason that theme came together better. In such a case you just make a call.

    Maybe it had something to do with people begging them for a blue-red artifact/Artiificer legendary to use as a commander so long, that they decided to dedicate a deck to it and locked themselves out of the obvious spell colors...
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Commander 2018 themes and art
    Quote from Moppi »
    Man, this announcement was not the morning gut punch I wanted. Weird

    I'm holding on to Aysen Abbey, a Serra related card that would point to her supporting Bant colours

    Did you know the same set contains Castle Sengir and Baron Sengir? Those lands produce three colors not following the logic you suppose.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Commander 2018 themes and art
    The mask girl? Looks a lot jeskai or temur... make sense only as the bant enchantress, i don't think she will be the bant enchantress

    Clearly the masks represents multiple identities/options probably tied to the top-card-of-library theme, something like "As long as the top card of your library is a creature, ~ is a copy of that card." I don't know how one would arrive at anything else.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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