"Dies" is a silly and useless change to the game rules, and I sincerely hope that whoever decided to push that through gets fired or at least demoted from his or her position.
I've been around for a few years now, this sort of response is to be expected any time they change any significant rules/terminology. Remember the backlash to "exile" as opposed to "removed from the game"? How is this any different?
I think the M10 rules changes of damage no longer using the stack had the most negative backlash of any changes in Magic history. Two years later, we're still doing fine. Heck, I think we can all agree that it makes more sense this way, and most people I know are all for the change now.
I'm going to be judging some prereleases this weekend, and will be getting a few boxes of the new set as compensation. I know it's obviously not OK for stores to sell the new set ahead of time, but does this hold true for the secondary market as well? Is anyone going to get mad at me for selling the boxes on Craigslist or something similar?
You quoted the Tournament Rules, so logically that must be a tournament rule. Card text overrides the Comprehensive Rules, Tournament Rules override that, and Judges override them.
Yes, however in this case, the tournament rule creates a state-based action, which must be a game rule. The tournament rules don't tell us how to deal with state-based actions, the game rules do.
How the heck would Fireball work if you didn't choose targets before paying costs?
First you announce the spell and put in on the stack. Then you choose a value for X. Then you pick targets. Then you figure out what the total cost is, activate mana abilities to pay that cast, and finally pay the cost.
Q: We're in extra turns in a single elimination match, but both of us control Platinum Angels. At the end of the five turns, my life total is higher. Who wins the game?
A: You do! I know Platinum Angel says "You can't lose the game", but that only applies to game rules. The sudden death rule that says the player with the higher life total wins at the end of five turns in a single elimination match is a tournament rule, so it overrules Platinum Angel and the round can end.
From the MTR:
In single-elimination rounds, matches may not end in a draw. If all players have equal game wins, the player with the highest life total wins the current game. In the event all players have equal life totals (or are between games and the game wins are tied), the game/match continues with an additional state-based action: if a player does not have the highest life total, he or she loses the game.
If I'm understanding this correctly, if the players' life totals are tied to begin with, then one of the players winning is indeed a tournament rule. However, in the event that the players are tied, the additional state based action that is added is a GAME rule, not a tournament rule. So if the player's life totals are tied at one point, then become untied later, the other player still can't lose.
A lot of people seem to be confused about the difference between "slow play" and "stalling". The two are entirely different entities. "Slow play" means only that, that you are playing slowly and need to pick up the pace. It is neither intentional, nor harshly punished. The penalty is a warning and a poke from the judge to play faster.
"Stalling" on the other hand, is completely different. From the Magic Infraction Procedure Guide - "A player intentionally plays slowly in order to take advantage of the time limit." Stalling is intentional by definition, something along the lines of "If I sit here and pretend to think for the next two minutes, the match will be a draw as opposed to me losing..." This is complete and blatant cheating.
I would also like to point out the fact that other than the initial post from the official event coverage, we are only getting statements from one side of the story. Grand Prix head judges have years of experience, and I trust that they understand all of these factors that are being discussed. As such, I will withhold making any judgments until (if?) we hear more from the judges in question.
Assuming you have near infinite mana, you can counter an arbitrary number of spells with 1x Voidmage Apprentice and 2x Weaver of Lies:
1) Unmorph Voidmage Apprentice, countering one of the copies.
2) Unmorph Weaver of Lies, turning the Apprentice face down.
3) Unmorph Voidmage Apprentice again, countering a copy.
4) Unmorph the second Weaver of Lies, turning both other creatures face down.
5) etc.
I have around 320 event tix sitting around my MTGO account at the moment. I don't really play online anymore, and don't plan to in the coming few months, and I have no reason to cash out completely at the moment, so I was wondering if there was any cards in particular that I should stock up on now, to sell away a few months from now.
In other words, what cards are almost guaranteed to go up in value post-rotation, and which are most likely going to go up the most? Even if its something cheap like Steel Overseer, I wouldn't mind buying as many as I can get my hands on if I know that its gonna go up in value.
That depends on whether SBEs are checked between the steps of casting a spell. The Wall of Roots has toughness 0 after activating the mana ability but it won't die before SBEs are checked.
About the convoke thing: does the situation change at all if you replace the Eldrazi spawns with a Wall of Roots with 4 counters already on it? Say I have a 0/1 wall and I want to use its mana ability and tap it for convoke. Is this not possible?
*snip minor judge center leakage* -Woap
If this isn't possible, then I made an incorrect ruling at GP Oakland when this exact scenario came up :P. (I also remember discussing it with a number of judges there, who agreed with me).
Ok, in that case, if the Meddling Mage is copied by something like Mirrorweave, every other creature that becomes a copy of the Mage gains its blacklisted card, right?
Is my understanding of the following situations correct?
1) Let's say my opponent controls a Vendilion Clique. I play my own. Immediately upon coming into play, before players get priority and the comes into play trigger goes on the stack, state-based actions are checked and both Cliques are put into their respective graveyards. After this is done, my Clique's comes-into-play trigger goes on the stack and players receive priority, right?
2) Rule 706.2 says that:
"The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied."
Does this mean that if I cast Clone, and choose to copy my opponent's Meddling Mage upon it coming into play, his card choice is copied into my new Meddling Mage, and I don't get to choose a new card name for my Meddling Mage?
I've been around for a few years now, this sort of response is to be expected any time they change any significant rules/terminology. Remember the backlash to "exile" as opposed to "removed from the game"? How is this any different?
I think the M10 rules changes of damage no longer using the stack had the most negative backlash of any changes in Magic history. Two years later, we're still doing fine. Heck, I think we can all agree that it makes more sense this way, and most people I know are all for the change now.
I'm going to be judging some prereleases this weekend, and will be getting a few boxes of the new set as compensation. I know it's obviously not OK for stores to sell the new set ahead of time, but does this hold true for the secondary market as well? Is anyone going to get mad at me for selling the boxes on Craigslist or something similar?
Thanks
-Numegil
Yes, however in this case, the tournament rule creates a state-based action, which must be a game rule. The tournament rules don't tell us how to deal with state-based actions, the game rules do.
First you announce the spell and put in on the stack. Then you choose a value for X. Then you pick targets. Then you figure out what the total cost is, activate mana abilities to pay that cast, and finally pay the cost.
From the MTR:
If I'm understanding this correctly, if the players' life totals are tied to begin with, then one of the players winning is indeed a tournament rule. However, in the event that the players are tied, the additional state based action that is added is a GAME rule, not a tournament rule. So if the player's life totals are tied at one point, then become untied later, the other player still can't lose.
"Stalling" on the other hand, is completely different. From the Magic Infraction Procedure Guide - "A player intentionally plays slowly in order to take advantage of the time limit." Stalling is intentional by definition, something along the lines of "If I sit here and pretend to think for the next two minutes, the match will be a draw as opposed to me losing..." This is complete and blatant cheating.
I would also like to point out the fact that other than the initial post from the official event coverage, we are only getting statements from one side of the story. Grand Prix head judges have years of experience, and I trust that they understand all of these factors that are being discussed. As such, I will withhold making any judgments until (if?) we hear more from the judges in question.
1) Unmorph Voidmage Apprentice, countering one of the copies.
2) Unmorph Weaver of Lies, turning the Apprentice face down.
3) Unmorph Voidmage Apprentice again, countering a copy.
4) Unmorph the second Weaver of Lies, turning both other creatures face down.
5) etc.
-Numegil
I have around 320 event tix sitting around my MTGO account at the moment. I don't really play online anymore, and don't plan to in the coming few months, and I have no reason to cash out completely at the moment, so I was wondering if there was any cards in particular that I should stock up on now, to sell away a few months from now.
In other words, what cards are almost guaranteed to go up in value post-rotation, and which are most likely going to go up the most? Even if its something cheap like Steel Overseer, I wouldn't mind buying as many as I can get my hands on if I know that its gonna go up in value.
Thanks!
-Numegil
A few months back I made the top 8 of the Magic Online Judge Open on MTGO. One of the prizes for the top 8 was a special promo Orim's Chant.
Screenshot:
http://numegil.webs.com/chant.jpg
I can't seem to find it anywhere in the classifields, and the only reference to anything similar online I can find is at http://www.cardhoarder.com/store/index.php?target=products&product_id=16061
How much is this thing really worth, and where is a good place to sell it?
Thanks!
-Numegil
Right, I forgot about that part, thanks!
*snip minor judge center leakage* -Woap
If this isn't possible, then I made an incorrect ruling at GP Oakland when this exact scenario came up :P. (I also remember discussing it with a number of judges there, who agreed with me).
-Alexei Gousev
Level 1
I've seen people do this before in formats such as vintage where some people play with thousands of dollars worth of cards in a deck.
I'm building an EDH deck designed to mess with the game as much as possible (multiplayer). So far I've got:
Does anyone have any more suggestions for similar cards? (I think I'm gonna stick to UBR)
-Numegil
1) Let's say my opponent controls a Vendilion Clique. I play my own. Immediately upon coming into play, before players get priority and the comes into play trigger goes on the stack, state-based actions are checked and both Cliques are put into their respective graveyards. After this is done, my Clique's comes-into-play trigger goes on the stack and players receive priority, right?
2) Rule 706.2 says that:
Does this mean that if I cast Clone, and choose to copy my opponent's Meddling Mage upon it coming into play, his card choice is copied into my new Meddling Mage, and I don't get to choose a new card name for my Meddling Mage?
Thanks!
-Numegil