So I was under the impression that before Eggs became a hilarious deck in Modern it had already existed in Legacy, and convinced myself that the name came from those original eggs: Sungrass Egg,Darkwater Egg, and so on.
Since my LGS recently started running an occasional legacy event, i said "Hey I'll make legacy eggs"
But when I went to try and find lists all I seem to be finding is people that ported over their now-banned modern lists (possibly with more disruption, sometimes with a few strictly better sub-ins, especially in the landbase)and everyone comments "Where's the real eggs?"
So if Eggs really is or was a thing in legacy, what is it supposed to look like? Are more 'real eggs' involved? Are chromatics still useful? Are the win-cons more wide-open? How does it deal with counters? etc.
Um both Scourge and Stormbreath are CMC 5. Scourge has more synergy in a DRAGON DECK. Stormbreath is just a hastey dragon most of the time. When is pro white worth a slot maindeck?
I wouldn't underestimate hasty dragon, (you could run both)
But yeah, if you cut Scourge from the Deck you'll pretty much go down the slippery slope of basically just becoming an RDW that runs Dragons at the top end, because by then you have no reason to run the other dragons other than a theme.
It's weird because...for a while, I knew guys who played MTGO, and I'd talk bad behind their backs because they paid for virtual cardboard.
At the end of the day...How big IS magic? They're not making as much as they COULD be, in theory. But they're not cracking down on the secondary market, if online cardstores are an indicator.
Most people agree that those are a good thing for the game.
I think Cockatrice is a good thing for the game, as well. It lets people test decks. Try-before-you-buy.
When people all around the internet preach "Buy singles, not packs", it fits right into that.
There are inherent benefits in going to sanctioned tournaments that Wizards themselves sets up.
DCI ratings...bigger tournaments...bigger prize pools...
At a certain point, the "PTQ Grinders" You see posting articles every day might be doing the best job of advertizing the "Play in paper, give wizards money, maybe with some face-to-face interaction" side of the game.
I'm no Greek mythology scientist, but Nyx doesn't appear to be evil by any means. Especially not when compared to Zeus. Maybe it's time for another black hero and white villain?
Well, the imagery that I'm getting from the name is that of the "Quest to the Underworld", you see it when Odin journeys to Hel and when Orpheus rescues his girl
Friends! The messenger god arrives bearing water and a gift.
Bringing into play those lingering souls who have sat unkindled beneath the straw and sand. But it must never be so simple. The one who bears a blade and covers it with a cloth, calls himself a lover when he's no better at that than the creature in the fens.
That one rises up, he hurls a spear to the top of the mountain and the young ones take it as a sign.
They are thirsty and they will sate their hunger with flesh and blood.
In the sideboard I also have specific hate such as Aerial Predation against powerful fliers and Druid's Deliverance against fast decks like Boros.
Well, If you have the thing built in paper, (or play digitally in some way) I'd suggest just testing different things out and seeing what works and what doesn't.
I've found people get really wound up when someone has a stupidly specific hate card in the Side.
For a non-creature version, I'd try to work in a Boundless Realms or two. Just to see if anything insane happens. Like some other card being blown out, and then still having enough lands to drop a crazy fatty.
Just going to link some gatherer results that seem interesting: Gilded Lotus Frenzied Tilling Undercity Plague Stolen Identity + Moar dudes, or evasive and big dudes.
Maybe there's some good stuff in reanimator lists that could be used, Caravan Vigil always interested me. If you can get more red in there, I'd say to try Dangerous Wager or Faithless Looting. Purely to get unusable stuff out of your hand and into the yard. Although obviously getting them into the deck would be ideal.
Okay. all I'm saying is that all of my friends' Selesnya decks definitely benefit from Populate, and OP was considering two enchantments, and someone else suggested O-Ring.
Ray of Revelation counters three of those and is in the colors.
Or is there some "White Instant Flashback" hate floating around that I'm unaware of?
Sundering Growth does -something- and is in the colors and might help his deck out.
It is his Selesnya deck's sideboard.
It is gravy on his gravy-filled boat of specific hate.
What are you all filling your SB's with? (I literally don't know, because I haven't any kind of good handle on the meta)
I like sundering growth. Although Ray of Revelation should start seeing more play.
Because of Auras and O-rings and all those other bad cards.
How are people saying control is bad? Esper is consistently one of the top tier decks. Zegana Bant wins a good bit too. There are so many many decks in this standard it's wonderful. Sure, there are some cards that see more play than others...but it's been that way forever.
Remand, Lightning Helix, Pickles Lock, Signets, Loxodon Hierarch, Wrath of God, Damnation, lots of cards saw play in tons of different decks in the past. That does not mean the decks were not diverse. I love this standard. And I kinda agree with the OP about the "so many good cards!" feeling. I don't think it's a problem at all though. I mean, did you guys see Verdant Haven yesterday? That was awesome! He was playing Sylvan Primordial. Not as a joke card at all, and it was absolutely relevant, dealing with Assemble the Legion. That's gotta say something for the state of standard.
I like how that sounds, and I totally agree with you, but the second I mention certain cards around MOST people at the LGS, they start going "Hurf hurf dem dere's a bad card, i can't try dat out"
Uh what? There are too many good creatures in standard.
Counterspells? Bad
Spot Removal? Bad
Cantrips/Card filtering? Bad
Planeswalkers?ok
Non Basic Land Hate? Bad
Creatures? GOOD.
Clearly you haven't built enough bad decks to realize that we need to troll the meta by building very many incredibly specific creature-hate decks just to ruin the records of those who play thragtusk and geist and whatever else.
I mean I could very well be wrong too, I'm just going off of like, third-hand explanations of things that I hazily recollected.
Thanks for the links, I'll definitely try to trawl through the posts for anything especially noteworthy.
Or am I bad at trigger rules?
Since my LGS recently started running an occasional legacy event, i said "Hey I'll make legacy eggs"
But when I went to try and find lists all I seem to be finding is people that ported over their now-banned modern lists (possibly with more disruption, sometimes with a few strictly better sub-ins, especially in the landbase)and everyone comments "Where's the real eggs?"
So if Eggs really is or was a thing in legacy, what is it supposed to look like? Are more 'real eggs' involved? Are chromatics still useful? Are the win-cons more wide-open? How does it deal with counters? etc.
I wouldn't underestimate hasty dragon, (you could run both)
But yeah, if you cut Scourge from the Deck you'll pretty much go down the slippery slope of basically just becoming an RDW that runs Dragons at the top end, because by then you have no reason to run the other dragons other than a theme.
At the end of the day...How big IS magic? They're not making as much as they COULD be, in theory. But they're not cracking down on the secondary market, if online cardstores are an indicator.
Most people agree that those are a good thing for the game.
I think Cockatrice is a good thing for the game, as well. It lets people test decks. Try-before-you-buy.
When people all around the internet preach "Buy singles, not packs", it fits right into that.
There are inherent benefits in going to sanctioned tournaments that Wizards themselves sets up.
DCI ratings...bigger tournaments...bigger prize pools...
At a certain point, the "PTQ Grinders" You see posting articles every day might be doing the best job of advertizing the "Play in paper, give wizards money, maybe with some face-to-face interaction" side of the game.
Well, the imagery that I'm getting from the name is that of the "Quest to the Underworld", you see it when Odin journeys to Hel and when Orpheus rescues his girl
Bringing into play those lingering souls who have sat unkindled beneath the straw and sand.
But it must never be so simple.
The one who bears a blade and covers it with a cloth, calls himself a lover when he's no better at that than the creature in the fens.
That one rises up, he hurls a spear to the top of the mountain and the young ones take it as a sign.
They are thirsty and they will sate their hunger with flesh and blood.
The first volley is fired.
With any luck, some hero from the slums will arrive.
But I don't trust in the stars myself.
Well, If you have the thing built in paper, (or play digitally in some way) I'd suggest just testing different things out and seeing what works and what doesn't.
I've found people get really wound up when someone has a stupidly specific hate card in the Side.
It's not like any cards in standard care about colors.
let alone permanent types.
Besides, you can't maintain card advantage with that kind of stuff
Especially when you're trying to juggle ramp
Alongside a sufficient disruption suite
I'm probably over-reacting, this stuff just gets me kinda bent up.
Just going to link some gatherer results that seem interesting:
Gilded Lotus
Frenzied Tilling
Undercity Plague
Stolen Identity + Moar dudes, or evasive and big dudes.
Maybe there's some good stuff in reanimator lists that could be used, Caravan Vigil always interested me. If you can get more red in there, I'd say to try Dangerous Wager or Faithless Looting. Purely to get unusable stuff out of your hand and into the yard. Although obviously getting them into the deck would be ideal.
Ray of Revelation counters three of those and is in the colors.
Or is there some "White Instant Flashback" hate floating around that I'm unaware of?
Sundering Growth does -something- and is in the colors and might help his deck out.
OP, tell us about your deck.
It is gravy on his gravy-filled boat of specific hate.
What are you all filling your SB's with? (I literally don't know, because I haven't any kind of good handle on the meta)
I like sundering growth. Although Ray of Revelation should start seeing more play.
Because of Auras and O-rings and all those other bad cards.
I like how that sounds, and I totally agree with you, but the second I mention certain cards around MOST people at the LGS, they start going "Hurf hurf dem dere's a bad card, i can't try dat out"
Because I've wasted my money on getting snow lands.
and if that happens...I'll be able to lord it over noobs who get new-frame snowlands!
Clearly you haven't built enough bad decks to realize that we need to troll the meta by building very many incredibly specific creature-hate decks just to ruin the records of those who play thragtusk and geist and whatever else.
Dredge ain't nuttin'.