I feel like the deck will also need some timetwister effects to shuffle spells back into the library and reset the hand size back to normal.
Not that it matters but some effects could essentially prove too strong. I'm especially weary of draw doublers here, as the hand size will grow exponentially and if you draw cards in a bad order, you might just draw yourself to death.
The deck certainly needs to find the sweet spot where it can amass a huge hand but not draw cards too quickly.
Several people have pointed out that they believe EtR scumslipped, and I concur. Why am I the only one voting him?
would you like to share? i dont think he looks good, but dont see a "slip"
is it the thing antny said about him ignoring the seer part or imab's claim?
Thanks for the information! Now that I see the Dark Depths/Thespian Stage thing, I'm pretty sure my submitted list is going to do poorly. Live and learn I guess!
you can resubmit up until the deadline on monday. i change my entries frequently
ETR has all but claimed scum at this point. If the answer was that important he'd have found it by now because I've already answered. Instead he's sitting around pissing and moaning and not engaging the game. He's scum caught for the wrong reasons which is why he's paralyzed. He wants to try and get into an argument with me to discredit whatever reasons he thinks I have. He's going about this entire thing with a guilty mindset because he thought he was caught.
are you talking about the reason you gave that his predecessor was "too tryhard"? that seems pretty weak. is that really all youre basing this on?
why are you turning it in to you vs him?
and why are you talking about being discredited? did you forget youre supposed to be pretending to be town and therefore dont actually know anything?
that said, EtR's reactions havent looked great. not damning, but not great.
I'm still kind of generally confused about this format. Is there a place with a lot of information I can read up on it? Kind of forgot about the last one I entered.. going to follow this one this time.
you can find the complete rules and various information here in the repository, and feel free to ask me any questions you have by private message.
good luck!
He seems more interested in appearing town that actually being town. For instance, he only made a case in 232 because Rodemy pointed out how he hadn't yet. Then said case is just a number of points seem fairly null, more like he quickly ISOed one his scumread, and then put everything he found into a post to make it look like a case. There is not a single thing there would actually make you scumread imab.
really? not a single thing?
and yes, i did iso my scumread. it wasnt quick, but that was what i did. sorry i was... too thorough?
He's claimed two shots which both teams are afraid of. Lynching any decent PR like this is essentially saving a scumteam a kill. Do I really need to tell you why helping scum is bad for town?
but at the very least, his claim means he's certainly town until/unless we reach a point where a 2-shot cop that can't even cop right half the time doesn't fit in the setup.
I think your time might be better spent looking for the mindset of players that we don't have strong reason to believe are town from their claim.
sure, if you believe him.
i will admit i didnt look up either of those roles to find out what they actually did.
though i have to say, if seer is for wolves only, that could easily be a scum ability.
@Tomsloger: If you're gonna play the meta card, you're going to need actual proof from the game you're citing as evidence.
We didn't all play predator mafia.
nah bro. tappingstones had more posts than me in that game (he lived to the end, but still. thats too much)
you can look if you want, all i'm saying is that his play in this game seems totally in character to me.
i will certainly concede it is possible he is scum. but i do think its noteworthy that 8 people in this game DID play in predator mafia, and none of us are on this wagon.
I went back and looked closer at TappingStones to see if that one post I didn't like was an outlier or not, and it wasn't. TappingStones whole style of play is rubbing me wrong and he's doing a number of suspect things:
He started the game agreeing with someone (Nacho?) that Tomsloger was playing different in this game than in his last one. The implication here is that this is suspicious, but I don't like the way it's done. Because difference in playstyle is NOT actually indicative of much of anything. MAYBE it indicates a different kind of role than the one you had before, but maybe not, and it definitely doesn't indicate a different alignment. But that's really his only point about Tom. "He's playing differently."
Then he gets into a spat with Oceansblack about whether Oceansblack is being too insulting to other players. This also is completely non-alignment indicative, and TappingStones seems to know it, but keeps harping on it. He even flatly accuses Oceansblack of lying, but at the very same time says "now this doesn't mean you are scum..." What's even going on here? This isn't scum-hunting. It's some kind of bizarre confrontational style which reaches no conclusions at all.
Then he finally votes Tom, but, again, the reason appears strictly to be based on this supposed difference in play-style from this game and the last. Which is a terrible (but easy) reason to vote.
This vote is quickly abandoned, however, to vote Antny, for not putting in enough effort. And then there's the post that first caught my eye, where he even says that he's not trying to lynch Antny, but just to make him put in more effort. Another thing I didn't like about that post was how he used the Royal "We" in responding to Nacho - i.e. "It's not just me who feels this way...I'm with someone else on this...WE both feel this way..." It's too buddy-buddy. He's shielding himself and also giving himself an out to scum-hunting. Because he's voting on principle or something. And exactly what kind of pressure do you think you're going to put on someone to post when you are saying at the exact same time you vote them that you don't want to lynch them?
There's a claim that this is TappingStones style - to try and put pressure on the lurkers early - which I have no idea if that's true or not. But even if that is supposedly true, I don't actually see him doing much of this at all in this game. He's not pressuring anyone, lurker or not. He's not scumhunting. He's made some insinuations against a couple of people, and argued a completely irrelevant issue, but given no strong opinions.
This last post is typical:
Looking into Necarg, Imabusinessman and Rodemy.
Anyone want to tell me there main thoughts on them while I do my reread?
He's "looking into" them, without stating any actual opinions, and at the same time trying to get other people to give their opinions - which I guess he can then crib off of if it suits his game?
Nothing good going on here.
Unvote Xyre;
Vote: TappingStones
I intend to do a close read of TomsLoger next. And then *shudder* maybe Rodemy.
ok. tappingstones literally did all of these things in predator mafia. you can read it if you want, but its really not necessary.
i had a scum read on him for a decent chunk of my time alive in that game, for several of the same reasons. and he was town.
it is certainly possible that he is new scum actively trying to replicate his town game. there are, after all, 8 players from that game in this one not including tappingstones. it would be a brilliant play. that would even explain why youre reading him as insincere.
i'm still townreading him slightly, but i just wanted to talk about the world in which he is scum. thats how its possible.
also, good luck on your upcoming close reads. i post a lot and rodemy is, well, rodemy
and are you going to tell us why at some point? is it about him focusing on you being a seer? because he asked a fairly pointed question about that and you havent answered
2. tomsloger's posts have scum intent in them. Every one of his reads is phony.
His "i cant' read rodemiy...oh wait rodemy is scum...i can't read rodemy. Refuses to interact with a person he can't read. His ONLY interaction is when Rodemy calls him out on not making any case.
i actually just went back to check this. and its, frankly, all untrue.
i started with the mild scum read of rodemy, and then said i couldnt read him and moved to my "meh" list.
and ive interacted with him so many times. like, more than i thought.
we had that exchange where i kept answering his question to wildfire and he got mad. and we talked about how governor is such a bad role.
how are you even trying to make this point?
Then he makes a case that's filled with loaded language and filler.
Claims that he wants necarg to post. When it gets pointed out that votes can be used to apply pressure he votes the person who points this out to him.
lets just say it here.
it was a case against you. and a vote for you.
i just want to be clear
Compare what he said in 181 to what he wrote in post 94.
i did. what am i supposed to see? heres 181 and 94 to make it easier.
His opinions in this game are contrived. And to top it off, did he actually just say he's not going to post until I post again KNOWING FULL WELL that that could be hours later?
Still skimming, but this post gave me all kinds of heebie-jeebies. Especially that last line. Specifically saying he's just voting to "apply pressure" and make said player "play ball", even though "no one wants to lynch him."
Yuck.
this is definitely tappingstones' MO. not tryna be condescending, but i think he fancies himself the enforcer.
im town reading him for other stuff, but this is a null read
@Seppel: I get using town powers on him if you have no other choice, but why is it on Antny's terms and not the towns? Why 'lock it in' instead of leaving it up to the player with the power?
Just looks like bad play from where I'm sitting, and anti-town. I'm keeping up with other players but not having as strong as an opinion on it as this. I won't tolerate it, especially if Antny ends up being scum.
in which zionite confirms he and seppel are not scum together. i guess this is a much less useful piece of knowledge with two scum teams. sigh.
@EtR "yo vanilla" is technically a track on the album. its 4 seconds long, but it exists
shrug
tordeck may be lying. also may be scum.
but, like, bigger fish to fry
antny now has a bunch of posts and still hasnt really said anything.
hes making an effort to be a part of the game, but its all so hollow.
the case on rodemy is trite, but frankly its more than i can come up with on rodemy.
i am in favor of just letting them both be for now.
well, im in favor of letting everyone who isnt imabusinessman be for now. at least until he can get on a computer and say something of substance.
youre welcome
4 vedalken plotter
4 shifting borders
4 icy manipulator
2 early frost
3 tel-jilad stylus
4 boomerang
4 sage's dousing
4 trinket mage
2 expedition map
1 pithing needle
1 humility
1 riptide laboratory
4 seat of the synod
1 halls of mist
1 ancient den
1 mystic gate
11 island
is it the thing antny said about him ignoring the seer part or imab's claim?
are you talking about the reason you gave that his predecessor was "too tryhard"? that seems pretty weak. is that really all youre basing this on?
why are you turning it in to you vs him?
and why are you talking about being discredited? did you forget youre supposed to be pretending to be town and therefore dont actually know anything?
that said, EtR's reactions havent looked great. not damning, but not great.
good luck!
and yes, i did iso my scumread. it wasnt quick, but that was what i did. sorry i was... too thorough?
sure, if you believe him.
i will admit i didnt look up either of those roles to find out what they actually did.
though i have to say, if seer is for wolves only, that could easily be a scum ability.
you can look if you want, all i'm saying is that his play in this game seems totally in character to me.
i will certainly concede it is possible he is scum. but i do think its noteworthy that 8 people in this game DID play in predator mafia, and none of us are on this wagon.
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i had a scum read on him for a decent chunk of my time alive in that game, for several of the same reasons. and he was town.
it is certainly possible that he is new scum actively trying to replicate his town game. there are, after all, 8 players from that game in this one not including tappingstones. it would be a brilliant play. that would even explain why youre reading him as insincere.
i'm still townreading him slightly, but i just wanted to talk about the world in which he is scum. thats how its possible.
also, good luck on your upcoming close reads. i post a lot and rodemy is, well, rodemy
and now for my responses to imab and are you going to tell us why at some point? is it about him focusing on you being a seer? because he asked a fairly pointed question about that and you havent answeredi actually just went back to check this. and its, frankly, all untrue.
i started with the mild scum read of rodemy, and then said i couldnt read him and moved to my "meh" list.
and ive interacted with him so many times. like, more than i thought.
we had that exchange where i kept answering his question to wildfire and he got mad. and we talked about how governor is such a bad role.
how are you even trying to make this point? lets just say it here.
it was a case against you. and a vote for you.
i just want to be cleari did. what am i supposed to see? heres 181 and 94 to make it easier.
ummmm. no. what?
vote imabusinessman a thousand more times
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im town reading him for other stuff, but this is a null read
in which zionite confirms he and seppel are not scum together. i guess this is a much less useful piece of knowledge with two scum teams. sigh.
@EtR "yo vanilla" is technically a track on the album. its 4 seconds long, but it exists
shrug
tordeck may be lying. also may be scum.
but, like, bigger fish to fry
antny now has a bunch of posts and still hasnt really said anything.
hes making an effort to be a part of the game, but its all so hollow.
the case on rodemy is trite, but frankly its more than i can come up with on rodemy.
i am in favor of just letting them both be for now.
well, im in favor of letting everyone who isnt imabusinessman be for now. at least until he can get on a computer and say something of substance.