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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Well *****.
    Thats what i get for sheeping
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    I kinda came away from all that wanting to vote chris again but i think i like following my townreads here

    vote osi
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    So just looking at chris through pushes and it doesnt look like either alignment...
    Hes not this wrong as either alignment. Too good as town and bussy as scum

    So you can pretty much just narrow it down to town that had a pretty bad couple of days there... or scum deciding to powerwolf and having it go hilariously wrong.
    Clearly both possible, moving on


    The bit that i feel should be more conclusive is the wifom posts.

    Started before az flipped. Making multiple posts about how, if az is scum, why am i the only one defending him. And speculating that if hes wrong az was being bussed.

    Kicked into wifom gear day 2
    >Az didnt play well enough for me not to bus him
    >If i didnt know i was town id kill me
    >You dont think scumme would have seen the sinking ship?

    ...

    My conclusion here is that if chris is powerwolfing scum his posts are hilarious in retrospect which makes this game more fun if he is.

    Would be a (dare i say) tom-like scum performance.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Quote from Killjoy »
    @tom: What do you think of a Osie/Vaimes team?
    it fits in a sort of "yeah sure whole scumteam thinks i should be lynchable reasons be damned" kind of way

    But i havent seen anything pointing to it and think vaimes is town for az interactions
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Osi replaces in and clarifies fuwas claim.

    First "read" he gives is grape town, but he fairly quickly goes from there to grape/kj scummiest but not together, and then adds kcc and focuses on that pretty much exclusively for awhile.

    He does claim to iso everyone here. Saying megs "lacks substance"
    Points against osi not knowing about the claim for action purposes

    When grape claims he abandons the read completely and only cares its confirmable.

    This is where he begins trying to counterwagon me and (as i remembered) its entirely role related/setupgaming.
    I already know this transitions into trying to policy lynch me and gross speculation about game bastardness that all just seems like an excuse since he skipped the whole "actually scumreading me" thing and abandoned his actual scumreads for it.
    Hard for me to see it as anything but needing to lynch me

    Overall i think my biggest issue (besides kitchen sinking to get me killed, which is technically in his townrange) is that while theres a lot of words about everything, all reads are based on singular things.
    Like, grape claimed and the role is confirmable so ignore all i said before. Tom and cantrip are both vigs cant both be town (unless convenient). Kcc bussed. Megs slot didnt do anything.
    Theyre all one note no matter how much he harps on them. Kcc push is the worst for this its literally just saying wolfy with no explanation til moving on when noone bites

    Theres a fair amount of scum motivation to his d2 posting if kj is also a wolf. Came to grape/kj but not both and then found ways to push elsewhere. A bit less so if kj is town but he still went away from grape in favor of kcc then me.


    Can definitely see scum osi playing this "distancing but still powerwolfing" game.
    Theres a fair amount less substance than i thought i guess proof by verbosity works *on* me too, not just for me...

    Would vote here too tbh. Not sold on a kj/osi team atm, but theyve got individual scum equity
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    #156 (kj peak)
    Kj (7): dkings, Rhand, Cantrip, Axel, tom, shadow, vezok
    Cantrip (2): Fuwa, Vaimes
    Grape (1): Chris
    Fuwa (1): Kcc
    Rhand (1): Grape
    shadow (1): beeboy
    Syrenz (1): Azrael
    tom (1): Syrenz
    Abstain (1):Kj

    #825 (preclaim az peak)
    Azrael (8): Cantrip, shadow, Kcc, Vaimes, Rhand, tom, dkings, vezok
    shadow (4): Chris, Azrael, kj, beeboy
    tom (2): Axel, Grape
    Chris (1): Fuwa
    Abstain (1): Last

    Dual fuwa peaks:
    Fuwa (7): Grape, Chris, shadow, tom, Cantrip, Kcc, vezok
    Azrael (3): Vaimes, Rhand, dkings
    shadow (2): kj, beeboy
    Chris (1): Fuwa
    Vaimes (1): Azrael
    tom (1): Axel
    Abstain (1): Last

    Fuwa (7): Grape, Chris, shadow, tom, Cantrip, vezok, Last
    Azrael (5): Vaimes, Rhand, dkings, Kcc, Axel,
    shadow (2): kj, beeboy
    Chris (1): Fuwa
    Vaimes (1): Azrael

    D1 final
    Azrael (9): Vaimes, Rhand, dkings, Kcc, Axel, Fuwa, shadow, Cantrip, kj
    Fuwa (5): Grape, Chris, tom, vezok, Last
    shadow (1): beeboy
    Vaimes (1): Azrael

    I dont think its super meaningful because lol page 3, but i do think that wagon on kj is all town. And 6/7 of it is on az to force the claim.
    (Said i wasnt gonna defend anymore but these votecounts where i saw dkings surrounded by people i think are town are a big part of why i shot him. Scum not voting scum as a general rule this game fools that sort of votal analysis though)

    Fuwa wagon:
    Grape was first vote but the actual wagon happened after, when fuwa popped in and <was scummy>
    So not really counting it for much

    Chris being next on, and staying forever, is probably not w/w. You could say bussing the weaker buddy but if chris made the choice to powerwolf i think he just goes all the way.

    Shadow/cantrip/kcc are the people that went az to fuwa and back to az. Which is, like, always town if osislot is town and fairly towny if osi is a wolf short of some shenanigans to force w/w wagons and just nah in general theres never a plan to take a dive for someone else...

    Vezoks fine. Mechanical vote.

    Last could maybe be a fuwa busser? Certainly the most likely in the wagon proper. But havent seen any bussing yet.
    A little sus if osis town as well

    On the final az vote, its mostly the people that actually made it happen.
    Vaimes and axel pushed him much of the day
    See above for shadow/cantrip/kcc

    Fuwas vote there probably isnt AI. Self pres, in general, right thing to do there regardless of alignment.

    KJs, after it was decided. If hes scum presumably an attempt to salvage <something> from the day



    A lot of votals i look at are a bunch of my townreads voting a bunch of dead scum and scummy people.

    Feels good
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    So wagon on kj was the first real wagon of the game.
    Dkings started it noting kjs townread of him when he hadnt said anything. Everyone else either sheeped that or, ahem, just joined because it was the first wagon. I know thats me i assume shadow too.

    Kjs next chunk of posting is basically reflexive push on the wagon itself but not actually the people on it?
    Like he kind of comes away scumreading me/axel but he doesnt do anything with it.

    I kind of like his toneread of fuwa being overly innocent. Its just an analogy and explaining it i guess, but its a point he wants to get across. doesnt feel partnery

    He handles az and grape the same. Basically "theyre good they should be doing more" and *crickets* when they dont.

    His d1 shadow push is ~fine, if a little gleeful. But it turns into the excuse to defend az, because they agree.
    And az flip doesnt change his scumread of shadow d2. So az is town because shadows a wolf but the reverse *crickets*

    Only thing az flip does change for him is fuwa town for being the counterwagon. He only gives the wagon itself cursory examination

    He does the little page by page thing which i can totally see kj doing as either alignment, but im just gonna call the fact he stopped the page before his wagon scummy. But not really because it was silly anyway

    Literally defends grape for defending him

    And now pushing me for not shooting him basically? But hes also openly popcorning "tom vs cantrip" and i hate it


    Im not sure the hyper self-focus is super meaningful in and of itself, but that and the mentor chat+page by page+hard votaling add up to looking like he just doesnt know what to talk about.
    And his reads and pushes are just so wolfy. Defended both scum for pretty questionable reasons, pushing all town afaict

    I still dont have a huge behavioral read here tbh. That little chunk a few pages back felt like kj/osi team tryna push my lynch through, but im probably not that important and im eh on them being partners from kjs side overall

    Theres like, a chance hes just spectacularly wrong town. But him being a wolf seems more likely aorn.

    I feel it most in the wifomy posts i think. There was one about scum treating him like a buddy on purpose thats just. Lol.

    I dont much care about the claim. Like, flavor should clearly be boggles on that but whatever. Its possible that whatever version of that role that scumkj wouldnt claim is what ****ed with cantrip but thats all speculation.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Im just gonna go ahead and stop trying to defend myself.
    Maybe make a case or something
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    @axel
    Im pretty used to scum ignoring me except to push me. Im hard to react to.

    From my end, i didnt really catch either on behavior. Az i saw cases during my catchup but already pretty much knew he was scum because claims. Grape i knew was playing champs and decided to wait til he started playing, and from that talk with shadow saw how aligned he was with az.
    Its not inspiring but i got there on both
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from tomsloger »
    Ive been told i was too slow, too fast, made the day about me, didnt open up for enough discussion, didnt shoot ____

    Like, i shot who i shot when i decided. Shrugs

    Your shot was too slow and too fast. You waited a whole week (an entire half of D2) to even pick a target, and then couldn't wait an afternoon for dk to actually post a response.
    Quote from tomsloger »
    Im also just gonna say if yall didnt like my shot i literally gave you a week to convince me otherwise and you all just sat there.

    No, you gave us 20 posts to react between "hey I'm looking at dk" and "oops I guess he's dead". Only 5 players even had a chance to post in there! I certainly would have said something, but I went out that day with dk not being a target, and came home to him dead already!

    So cut this fake indignant bs
    lets just ignore i spent a bunch of that week begging people to talk to me Rolleyes

    Im not indignant though. Just annoyed.
    Im sure theres better things to push me for than the one time this game i buckled down and did work
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Well im just a big ol grump tonight heres a gif of a dog that gets the tee after kickoffs
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Im also just gonna say if yall didnt like my shot i literally gave you a week to convince me otherwise and you all just sat there.

    Like, we lynched grape that day. I just looked he didnt have a single vote when i shot.

    Not trying to pass the blame for my shot it was all me.
    But **** off with that
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    Vote Osie

    This is me reading into Osie trying to policy lynch Tom. Osie, if I’m wrong, expain for me why?


    Nah, I legit think he's scum for fake claim plus behavior.
    yesterday it was neither of those things kek
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Quote from Axelrod »
    Quote from Sir Chris »
    In fairness Tom being scum shooting the literal backup would fit into the scum team's play of "suck."

    Although shooting dkings 'fast' seems revisionist to me. He took his sweet ass time shooting that day.
    Maybe you are not remembering, but after taking so long to come to the conclusion that it was Megs, and then getting almost universally vetoed from taking that shot after Megs claim, he had DK claim and then almost immediately shot him, despite the fact that DK had said he didn't have time to respond but would be back later.

    You are really getting hung up on the whole "back-up" claim thing. Scum priority is hitting a Townie if they can get away with it. Period. Role is virtually irrelevant. Trying to take down a power role especially is just wishful thinking. You will almost certainly get vetoed just like Megs got vetoed.
    jesus christ.
    Im glad the goal of a vig shot isnt "make people happy" because thats apparently impossible

    Ive been told i was too slow, too fast, made the day about me, didnt open up for enough discussion, didnt shoot ____

    Like, i shot who i shot when i decided. Shrugs
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    Quote from Cantripmancer »
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    I didn't think it was a likely world; Wisp is townier than tom.
    Sorry, townier than "tom's fake persona". Gotta keep tom away from responsibility for his own play.
    I feel like you're being bitterer than you need to be here. I've never felt like Tom's flavorplay/gimmicking has made his actual play fake, nor do I think he doesn't take responsibility for his play.


    This isn't the only time he's pulled the "I use a fake persona, so you're not really reading me" card. And it pretty much excuses acting trolly more than anything else. Bitter? Maybe a little. Ready to lynch that sliminess on sight? Absolutely.
    no no the trolling isnt part of it

    Im just kind of a troll.
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