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    posted a message on Supreme Court Justice Nominees Gorsuch and Garland
    Quote from Koopa »
    Did Republicans steal the nomination?
    Yes. It was a reprehensible failure of the Senate to do its constitutional job.

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    Should Democrats try to block Garland?
    (Assuming you mean "Gorsuch")

    In less crazy times, Gorsuch would have been confirmed easily. (In 1986, Scalia was confirmed 98-0.) He is from everything I've seen an excellent judge and near-ideal candidate for the position in terms of qualifications, intelligence, and temperament -- honestly not the sort of person I expected Trump to nominate. Does he hold conservative political views? Yes. Of course. But that's how our democracy works. The American people decided that they wanted a conservative to be the guy picking the judges. So if the Democrats were trying to block Gorsuch simply on ideological grounds, I'd be... well, filled with a frustration of a weary and familiar sort, because it's the same thing that they tried to do to Roberts and Alito, and that the GOP tried to do to Sotomayor and Kagan, in this increasingly dysfunctional government of ours.

    The stolen seat complicates matters, though. I have a lot more sympathy for Dems blocking a nominee who -- whatever his qualifications -- should never have been appointed. You never want to just let your opponent get away with a dirty trick like that. But on the other hand, that dirty trick represents yet another escalation in the dysfunction, and responding in kind makes it the new normal. I want that even less. And on practical grounds this does not seem like a smart battle to fight. What outcome do the Democrats expect here if they block Gorsuch? To see Trump re-nominate Garland, or nominate a pro-choice judge? That's never going to happen. It'd be hard for any plausible future nominee to be any better than Gorsuch, and they could easily be a lot worse. To keep the seat empty for another four years until a Democrat is in the White House? One year was outrageous enough; four would be a frank admission that the system is broken (and, of course, the Republicans could just do it back to them again). So in the end, galling as it is under the circumstances to give the Republicans what they wanted, I think the best move here is to confirm Gorsuch, take a baby step towards returning the judicial confirmation process to business as usual, and look for some less self-destructive way to make the GOP pay for their stunt.

    Quote from Koopa »
    Should there be a formal rule that Supreme Court seats NOT be filled on election years?
    Absolutely not. The President is the President until 12:00 PM ET on January 20th. He has all the powers of his office, including the power to appoint Supreme Court justices, and the Senate has the responsibility to review and vote on those appointments. What next? The President can't issue vetos during the last six months of a term? No executive orders in the last thirty days? No pardons for the last year and a half? If we say the President can't do something because at some point in the future there might be some other President who would do it differently, why even have a President at all?
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    posted a message on Voting System in the US
    Quote from Mockingbird »
    Our broken electoral system put us in this position, and the drawbacks of first past the post voting positioned Donald Trump to win through that broken electoral process. Only 45% of Republican Primary voters voted for Donald Trump to be the nominee of the Republican Party. The other 55% split the vote between sixteen other competitors. However, all those competitors lost because they ran against each other, and instead of that 55% settling on a candidate a large minority (still a minority) gamed the Party and put the least qualified man in charge of their movement because he was the loudest.

    So while I appreciate that you have all-caps passion defending our current system, the voting system you are defending as necessary has put a fringe candidate with no qualifications into the White House. I despise the outcome First Past the Post has given us, the majority of Americans are not happy with what first past the post voting spat out of the Republican Primary, and while some others may think we should just put better people into that system, I feel that's a good reason to examine a new system.
    I'm confused as to why you're condemning our system for this result and advocating a multiparty system instead when it is routine for presidents/prime ministers in multiparty systems to enter office with much smaller percentages of the vote than that. Yes, first-past-the-post elected a demagogue this time around, but there is nothing in first-past-the-post that makes it more vulnerable to demagogues and nothing in a multiparty system that insulates it from them. A multiparty system elected Hitler, after all, and with just 33% of the vote. If you had been a German in 1934, would you be condemning the multiparty system for the result and advocating for a switch to first-past-the-post? But fast-forward to today: the Federal Republic of Germany still uses a multiparty system, but instead of Hitler they've got the humane and highly competent Angela Merkel (who took office with 35% of the vote, by the way). And looking back at our own system, out of forty-five presidents, we've only elected one Trump. Empirically, both systems seem to have pretty good track records, but nevertheless are still capable of occasionally failing in the face of demagoguery and a populace willing to fall for it.

    So maybe take a step back and take an examination of your own reasoning here. Because, bluntly, all I see is sour grapes.

    Quote from Mockingbird »
    This is actually a little off topic from ranked choice voting, but funneling Greens (and other left political positions) into the Democrat Party while the Republicans funnel Libertarians, Constitution Party, and other definitely at best adjacent right wing issues (and at worst extremist) is it amplifies societal echo chambers/political polarization/split.
    Walk me through the logic behind saying that big tent parties are worse echo chambers than small special-interest parties. Certainly the Communists I know who are willing to work with the Democrats are not nearly as batty as the Communists who only hang out with other Communists. Ditto Libertarians et al.

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    Multi-party generally makes it a requirement for political parties to cooperate in order to operate the government, which requires politicans to run on willingness to cross party lines before entering office. The thought of doing that in the United States right now is a liability for being kicked out of office by a primary challenger.
    Yes, small parties have to form coalitions. Big parties are coalitions. And lest you complain that the coalitions are calcified by the two-party system, remember that Trump won by flipping traditionally Democratic states and demographics. It is as if, in a multiparty system, the Blue Collar White Guy Party defected from their traditional left-leaning coalition to form a government with the rightists. Only the decision was made at the individual level rather than the party level. Which actually seems more democratic to me.
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    posted a message on Is radical skepticism good to follow?
    Quote from AzureDuality »
    But if it's not then how can we call it knowledge?
    For the same reason that we call anything by any word: that's the standard accepted definition of what the word means. When somebody tells you, "I know how to drive stick", you can safely assume that they're not telling you they possess absolute metaphysical certainty about the reality and nature of stick shifts. They're telling you they know how to drive stick. It is a very different, and much more practical, statement.
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    posted a message on Is radical skepticism good to follow?
    Quote from AzureDuality »
    Essentially the claim that nothing can be known and that our senses lie all the time, that reason tends to favor our desires. Some people claim that and say they maintain a matter of suspending judgment on just about everything.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhonism

    They call it Pyrrhonism and try to apply that non judging attitude to all of life. It claims that much of strife is based on human belief and opinions. That when we value what is good we suffer if we don’t have it and struggle to hold it when we do, I’m guessing valuing something as bad works the same way. So by maintaining an attitude of permanent indecision you “free your mind” from worry and find tranquility. Seems somewhat like Buddhism and that religion is pretty large. But I have to wonder how sound that is and whether or not it is practical? It has some points to it though, our senses are easily fooled so why believe them? Reason tends to be influenced by our desires and emotions. Can what we get from such things really be called knowledge?
    "The perfect is the enemy of the good."

    You've pointed out that our senses and reason aren't 100% accurate. Okay. It does not follow from this that they are useless. An instrument with a 99% reliability rating is still a hell of a lot better than nothing. Especially if we act scientifically: make repeated observations and compare notes with other observers. The results of this can absolutely be called knowledge. Knowledge is not the same thing as total certainty. We may not be correct about everything, but we're correct about enough things to, e.g., build airplanes that fly. So why on earth should we just sit on our hands and gaze at our navels while we wait for perfect information to come along? We have mountains of evidence that we don't need perfect information to get things done. In the face of that evidence, how is indecision rational?
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    posted a message on Voting System in the US
    Lol, they were all slave states. There were no free states. Let's start there.
    You've asked me to take your education on American history seriously, so I'm going to assume that you know perfectly well the legal, political, and practical differences between the northern states and the southern ones on the subject of slavery, and are being willfully obtuse here in an attempt to score some meaningless points, rather than simply displaying a shocking level of ignorance as a less charitable reader might think.

    Then let's ask a very simple question: If you're going to assign seats to your legislator based on population size, do you need to know who counts as a person?
    One simple question deserves another: when slaves can't vote, does counting them (wholly or fractionally) for the purpose of apportioning political power to those who own them give them any justice, or does it compound the injustice? And another: after slavery has been abolished, does any citizen not count as one whole person for apportionment? And another: if every citizen today does count as one whole person for apportionment, then what the hell were you talking about when you said that "skipping the electoral college" would "finally give people whole votes"?

    If you want to have a meaningful discussion about this aspect of the American political system, then you need to make a coherent point. But if you just want to make nonsensical leaps so that you can feel smug about your outstanding moral bravery in denouncing slavery as a bad thing, then you need to do that somewhere else.
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    posted a message on Voting System in the US
    You are aware they are part of the same compromise, right? It even says so in your first wiki article.
    Yes, they were being discussed at the same time and they pertained to the same question of congressional seat apportionment. I'll grant that much. But they were not the same compromise. The House-Senate split was a compromise between large states and small states. The three-fifths rule was a compromise between northern states and southern states. The two rules stand independent of each other. We can know this because the Great Compromise as proposed by the (northern, non-slaveholding) Connecticut delegation was a House-Senate split independent of a three-fifths rule: only free citizens would have counted. And we can know the Great Compromise can work this way in practice because it's worked this way since 1865.

    So it does not make any sense to call the House-Senate split "a dumb relic of institutionalized slavery": it was not prompted by the institution of slavery, it was not adopted as a compromise with slavery, and functions just as intended without slavery. And in no way would getting rid of it "give people whole votes" as opposed to the three-fifths of a vote, because the Three-Fifths Compromise is already long gone, and even when it was still in force, at no point did anyone get three-fifths of a vote -- free people always got one, slaves always got zero, and the Three-Fifths Compromise never had anything to do with enfranchisement fractional or otherwise. Remember, for the purpose of seat apportionment, the slaveholders wanted slaves to count as whole persons, and the free states didn't.
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    posted a message on Third Annual Pi Day Extravaganza
    22/7 is Pi Approximation Day -- the day for those who have abdicated all pride in themselves and their work, who are willing to shrug their shoulders and say, "Good enough".

    And even then, only in base 10.
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    posted a message on Voting System in the US
    Quote from DJK3654 »
    Preferential voting could help in increasing third party participation.
    Which would be different. Would it be better?

    Quote from DJK3654 »
    How could Gerrymandering be practically restricted?
    Redraw district borders through a special bipartisan committee rather than through the legislating body.

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    I think having a popular vote also probably makes sense.
    For Californians and New Yorkers. Not so much for South Dakotans and Alaskans.

    Are you watching what's happening in the UK right now between England and Scotland? Scotland's less populous so it's getting dragged out of the EU against its will? That's an extreme example of the situation that the makeup of the United States Congress (which is what's being reflected in the Electoral College) was constituted to avoid. The interests of the diverse states carry a certain weight irrespective of their population, plus additional weight dependent on their population.
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    posted a message on Voting System in the US
    1: Hell yes.
    2: Every voting system has its mathematical upsides and downsides.
    3: No. Australia, I hate to break it to you, but you are violating your citizens' civil rights by making voting mandatory.
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    posted a message on Third Annual Pi Day Extravaganza
    Today (3/14) is Pi Day. But only in base 10. Which is a pretty lame base, when you think about it. 10 doesn't have many factors: only 1, 2, 5, and itself. So if you want to talk about a half or a fifth of something with a decimal, you're fine, but if you want to talk about a third or a fourth, you're going to run into some complications. The British in their infinite wisdom understood this. It's why there are twelve inches in a foot rather than ten: 12 has 3, 4, and 6 as factors. And the French (naturally) didn't. It's why the metric system is terrible, and I can't have a third of a meter of string without having to deal with an infinite repeating decimal.

    But enough geopolitics. What is Pi Day in other bases?

    In binary (base 2) pi is 11.0010..., and Pi Day is therefore celebrated on March 0th (or January 10th, if you care nothing for accuracy and also kick puppies).

    In octal (base 8) pi is 3.1103..., and Pi Day was last Thursday.

    In dozenal or duodecimal (base 12), pi is 3.1848... and Pi Day is next Monday.

    And in hexadecimal (base 16), pi is 3.243F..., and Pi Day is going to require that March annex the first week of April (but let's face it, April has it coming).

    So what is the best base? When is the true Pi Day? Are we going to settle for the inadequacy of base 10 and the metric system? Are we going to cling to binary or hex because it's what our computers tell us to do? Are we going to embrace the factorizing possibilities of dozenal? Are we going to go way back to the sexagesimal system of fallen Babylon? Or are we going to go really crazy and say, "No, it's heptary, Pi Day is on the 6th!"?
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