Last I checked putting a +1/+1 counter on a creature does not get rid of a -1/-1 counter. I have a precon deck that revolves around persist and theres a lot of -1/-1 counter removal in there.
If what you say is true then they should of filled the deck with dragon bloods instead of chainbreaker.
The basis of this deck is to take arcbounds and sack them to time sieve then bring them back and play again, I get another turn and another artifact creature gets bigger. Wash rince repeat! BAsicly infinit turns to build up infinit p/t on a creature like spincrusher, arcbound fiend or a clockwork vorrac.
Problem with the deck is around turn 15 is when the deck starts to work right for me. I just dont knwo what to do and I sat for 5 hours one day trying to work this deck out and I almost took a lighter to it.
Heres my zombie deck that I have rebuild like 15 times and finally set on beatdown.
It works suprisingly well in multy player and I have to plan carefully when I go agenst blue.
Lord of the undead x2
Undead warchief x4
Infectious horror x4
Nefashu x4
Zombie Brute x4 (My altime favorite zombie, high CMC but its the only trample zombie I know of)
Souless one x3
Corpse harvester x1
Infernal caretaker x2
Dirge of dead x2
Profane Command x1
Dark Ritual x3
Hidious end x3
Corrupt x3
Diabolic tutor x2
Swamps x 24
Its not the greatest by any means, Yeah I could take my zombie masters and blanket of night out of my leshrac themed deck and put them in here and then that deck would be useless.
Death barrons would have to come out of my skelly deck and it needs all the power it can get. I could take my intimidations out of the skelly deck aswell but again that deck needs power.
Reminds me of the muchkin slogan, get teh treasure, save the princess, stab your friend in the back while doing it.
I am thinking of using my Palladia-Mors cause I do have alot of red, white, gold and hybrid stuff that Iw ould like to use up, then I could splash green for all its wounders. Wouldent be my first 3 color deck.
fzian they were cards that were mentioned to get and in the "()" is what I wrote.
Proxy, we dont care as long as you have the real card right there.
My collection dosen not reflect my list of legends cause A: I am not a rare hunter and B: I could almost care less about rares unless its the only option I can use for a deck.
Definately get the following cards cause they go in (Almost)every deck. Sol Ring(yeah, like I could ever find one of these) Grim Monolith(I got one but its in a championship deck) Guilded Lotus(In my infinit mana/turn deck) Sensei's Divining Top(I have 2 but I dont get the part where it makes an annoyance) Mana Vault(I only know of 2 people out of 15 or so that have one of these) Strip Mine(yeah right) Wasteland(what?) Crucible of Worlds((again with the card shop suckeyness) Khalni Gem(its in my infinit mana/turn deck) Expedition Map(nope) Ancient Tomb(nope) Vesuva(what?) Voltaic Key (my cardshops dont have the cards like that, I live in nebraska we got crap) Coalition Relic[/QUOTE](dont have it, noone I know does)
The thing is that most of what you guys can find and pick up real easy are mostly cards that I will never see cause nebraska is lame and magic is not my soul investment.
So with that I do have a good colection of cards and I dont let legends speak for what I have, that just foolish to think cause he dosent have good rares that dosent mean I dont have a decent collection.
My play group dosent care about banned cards cause we are not all turny faring people, we are casual gamers, we play cause its fun.
So alot of the cards that would be suggested I would never see, but thankfully an edh deck dosent require mass wealth to build a deck so alot of what you suggest I could get by without.
Just tying to give you an idea that cause I dont have good legends dosent mean I dont have other great cards.
Thanks for your imputs, I feel I may be able to build a EDH deck now.
Does the general need to be a legend? I havent many legends that arnt unused.
Heres the list of legends I have left and none of them seem to be worth it imo.
Brothers Yamazaki
Bushi Tenderfoot
Commander Greven il-Vec
Dosan the Falling Leaf (if I use him I want the deck to be 2 color that way I can use creature abilitys and alot of what I want to use are in blue.)
Eight-and-a-Half-Tails (I got the Pious Kitsune but its only really usefull in a non edh deck)
Godo, Bandit Warlord(I dont want to use him cause hes a factory damaged card and I dont want to damage it to much.)
Kodama of the North Tree
Kokusho, the Evening Star (banned but my play groupe dosent care about banned cards except anti cards.)
Llawan, Cephalid Empress (I would only use her if I has painters servent, and then stasis)
Marhault Elsdragon
Nagao, Bound by Honor
Nebuchadnezzar
Palladia-Mors
Orochi Eggwatcher
Sisters of Stone Death(much cheaper to destroy creatures than pay the costs all the time with lure, deathtouch/first strike)
Sivitri Scarzam
Takeno, Samurai General
Yosei, the Morning Star
So I only have a couple options that are worth looking at and I wouldent even use them.
So what do you think I should base it off of cause I think its going to be mostly green and black as the options I have open.
I am thinking a single color would be best as I dont have crap for mana fixers.
Ok I have read teh rules and such and I just cant think of how to build a 100card deck with nothing but one of's.
The general thing, I wouldent know where to start and if I did I wouldent know how to take 59 one of's to build around it.
Any advice on where to start? I have read a guide or 2 but alot of the cards that ws mentioned I dont own. I dont consider myself rich in cards but I have a good collection but not many that are worth anything other than trading fodder.
If what you say is true then they should of filled the deck with dragon bloods instead of chainbreaker.
Arcbound worker x4
Arcbound stinger x3
Arcbound hybrid x3
Arcbound bruser x2
Arcbound fiend x1
Myr servitor x3
Myr retriever x4
Spincrusherx1
Clockwork vorrac x2
Sleep x2
Ur-Golen's Eye x3
Time sieve x3
Skeleton Shard x4
Dimir Aqueduct x4
Vault of whispers x4
Islands x16
Problem with the deck is around turn 15 is when the deck starts to work right for me. I just dont knwo what to do and I sat for 5 hours one day trying to work this deck out and I almost took a lighter to it.
It works suprisingly well in multy player and I have to plan carefully when I go agenst blue.
Lord of the undead x2
Undead warchief x4
Infectious horror x4
Nefashu x4
Zombie Brute x4 (My altime favorite zombie, high CMC but its the only trample zombie I know of)
Souless one x3
Corpse harvester x1
Infernal caretaker x2
Dirge of dead x2
Profane Command x1
Dark Ritual x3
Hidious end x3
Corrupt x3
Diabolic tutor x2
Swamps x 24
Its not the greatest by any means, Yeah I could take my zombie masters and blanket of night out of my leshrac themed deck and put them in here and then that deck would be useless.
Death barrons would have to come out of my skelly deck and it needs all the power it can get. I could take my intimidations out of the skelly deck aswell but again that deck needs power.
Its not great by any means but it does work well.
I am thinking of using my Palladia-Mors cause I do have alot of red, white, gold and hybrid stuff that Iw ould like to use up, then I could splash green for all its wounders. Wouldent be my first 3 color deck.
fzian they were cards that were mentioned to get and in the "()" is what I wrote.
Proxy, we dont care as long as you have the real card right there.
Definately get the following cards cause they go in (Almost)every deck.
Sol Ring(yeah, like I could ever find one of these)
Grim Monolith(I got one but its in a championship deck)
Guilded Lotus(In my infinit mana/turn deck)
Sensei's Divining Top(I have 2 but I dont get the part where it makes an annoyance)
Mana Vault(I only know of 2 people out of 15 or so that have one of these)
Strip Mine(yeah right)
Wasteland(what?)
Crucible of Worlds((again with the card shop suckeyness)
Khalni Gem(its in my infinit mana/turn deck)
Expedition Map(nope)
Ancient Tomb(nope)
Vesuva(what?)
Voltaic Key (my cardshops dont have the cards like that, I live in nebraska we got crap)
Coalition Relic[/QUOTE](dont have it, noone I know does)
The thing is that most of what you guys can find and pick up real easy are mostly cards that I will never see cause nebraska is lame and magic is not my soul investment.
So with that I do have a good colection of cards and I dont let legends speak for what I have, that just foolish to think cause he dosent have good rares that dosent mean I dont have a decent collection.
My play group dosent care about banned cards cause we are not all turny faring people, we are casual gamers, we play cause its fun.
So alot of the cards that would be suggested I would never see, but thankfully an edh deck dosent require mass wealth to build a deck so alot of what you suggest I could get by without.
Just tying to give you an idea that cause I dont have good legends dosent mean I dont have other great cards.
Thanks for your imputs, I feel I may be able to build a EDH deck now.
Heres the list of legends I have left and none of them seem to be worth it imo.
Brothers Yamazaki
Bushi Tenderfoot
Commander Greven il-Vec
Dosan the Falling Leaf (if I use him I want the deck to be 2 color that way I can use creature abilitys and alot of what I want to use are in blue.)
Eight-and-a-Half-Tails (I got the Pious Kitsune but its only really usefull in a non edh deck)
Godo, Bandit Warlord(I dont want to use him cause hes a factory damaged card and I dont want to damage it to much.)
Kodama of the North Tree
Kokusho, the Evening Star (banned but my play groupe dosent care about banned cards except anti cards.)
Llawan, Cephalid Empress (I would only use her if I has painters servent, and then stasis)
Marhault Elsdragon
Nagao, Bound by Honor
Nebuchadnezzar
Palladia-Mors
Orochi Eggwatcher
Sisters of Stone Death(much cheaper to destroy creatures than pay the costs all the time with lure, deathtouch/first strike)
Sivitri Scarzam
Takeno, Samurai General
Yosei, the Morning Star
So I only have a couple options that are worth looking at and I wouldent even use them.
So what do you think I should base it off of cause I think its going to be mostly green and black as the options I have open.
I am thinking a single color would be best as I dont have crap for mana fixers.
The general thing, I wouldent know where to start and if I did I wouldent know how to take 59 one of's to build around it.
Any advice on where to start? I have read a guide or 2 but alot of the cards that ws mentioned I dont own. I dont consider myself rich in cards but I have a good collection but not many that are worth anything other than trading fodder.