My favorite draw spell for black was Moonlight Bargain. Instant speed and potential to draw quite a bit, but at a reasonable cost, and putting cards in the bin was never that bad in rav/cok era either. I was really hoping this card would have shown up in Innistrad, given the usable flavor combined with the graveyard mechanic.
Heads up: 53 rares in total, means each can have 9, leaving 8 rares between the artifacts and lands. So far there are 7 confirmed between lands and artifacts, so it's totally possible if not likely. Otherwise, they need to reveal 6 more artifacts and lands, and with only one land slot left, that's more artifacts at rare than each color got, which seems very farfetch'd.
Seeing as how Millstone is uncommon, and how my friend a few posts above me presented no information to the discussion, I'd say it's as open as ever. More so than before even.
Well Red did have 4 undying cards, which was tied for the second most undying cards with green, right behind black. Saying it was "barely in red" is akin to saying it was barely in anything other than black, as red had as many as / more than any other non-black color. And in his defense, he seems to be only replying to the statement "Aggro decks normally don't get a card so good against sweepers." To which he replied the undying mechanic, which was hell for your typical sweeper to deal with, especially BSZ at the time, was a well suited ability to deal with sweepers in aggro. He wasn't referring to RTR block, just that one statement. Granted he was bieng a little rude, but then again it IS obvious that aggro centric mechanics require a workaround for sweepers due to the severe loss of CA if a sweeper resolves against them, so stating the obvious was kind of asking for it...
TL;DR It's not worth fighting over. On topic Boros charm makes me want to build a W/r/x deck, probably W/r/u.
Wizard's found that template easier to understand, similar to the current Lord template.
Exactly, the template is easier to understand and it conveys the message that the card works off it's own abilities, like all of the allies from zendikar block had written on them. The moral of the story is, in cases like this one anyway, his effect only applies to creatures that come down after him, otherwise he would name himself. If he was supposed to trigger himself, his template would've matched the one they've shown to always use for self-triggering ETB abilities.
it's definitely a valid point, you're right. I was just stating that using Seer will be skill intensive and require a carefully crafted deck, not like the examples listed in which the best way to play them is a no brainer.
Yes, but this card isn't like ***, or armageddon, or Balance, or obliterate, because all of the listed examples are cards that remove from the field, and you can easily mitigate the effects of those cards by making sure your deck doesn't have the cards there on the board to be removed. This card does the opposite, giving everyone cards instead of taking them away. And since there is no effective way to mitigate the opponent recieving cards from this, short of discard, it is a whole different situation when you play this card. you play wrath in a deck where you have few creatures to get hit by it. You play armageddon when you can recover from it or continue to make mana without the lands.
You can't make a deck where you restrict them from getting cards with Seer, (again unless you play extreme discard) so it's kind of misleading to make that comparison.
Too lazy to look up an example, but there have been cards printed with text like "When CARDNAME or another creature you control enters the battlefield, etc." Why make that template if the card is a creature and sees itself enter the battlefield? Simple answer, it has to be in play for it's effect to count, unless it specifies itself with it's own ability.
Had to login just to thank you Serpos. I love Twix haha.
On topic: Since I'm on I guess I'll input. I played back in Kamigawa and I don't remember Final Judgement making an impact at all, but back then we had *** and didn't need much more. I think it showed up in a few control decks that maybe made top 8, or 16, but thats besides the point. This newer version is indeed versatile, and it doesn't hurt to be able to hit walkers, but unless the format turns out slower than it already is, which is looking less likely with the reveal of some of the recent boros cards, then I think at best it'll show up as a 1-2 of in some control variants, maybe in sideboard only, at least as long as Terminus is still around. Again not to compare them but they fill a similar role, and More often control needs creature sweeping to stabilize, and they chance to do it for W is more appealing than the chance to hit something else. Most of the time, if you don't need the creature sweep, then the other modes are mostly extraneous, as you've already made your recovery. I myself will probably try and wedge a few into some control build, but ultimately it'll probably end up in the SB for the mirror, coming in for terminus when there are more than just creatures to hit with it. Unless the mirror HAS almost no artifacts, enchantments, walkers, then i'll probably just cut it all together.
TL;DR It's fringe playable in the current environment, might see more play after INN rotates, competing with Terminus makes it ugly.
I prefer Sever to Slaughter Games because first off, it's mon black, meaning deck lists that play black but not red can play it. Secondly, Sever can impact the board, killing off a creature that is already in play whereas games cannot. Third, it exiles the creature from play, meaning cards like falkenrath aristocrat, troll, gravecrawler, messenger, pretty much all undying guys can be dealt with permanently even if they are cast before you can games them. And lastly Sever can get rid of things like tokens as well, allowing your one removal spell to keep up with the CA of tokens or multiple crawlers out of the yard. Not to mention in a midrange or control list, Sever can be cast twice per card.
On topic: I could care less about if there is another cycle of these or not. I'm sure gatecrash will be great with or without this cycle.
Realistically, i'm only posting here because I want this thread to come up when it gets updated so I can watch people respond to toto4567. Is there a follow option on here? ^^
Play Rakdos's Return
Edit: Apparently it's Rakdos's, not Rakdos'.
TL;DR It's not worth fighting over. On topic Boros charm makes me want to build a W/r/x deck, probably W/r/u.
Accidental smiley face typo.
Exactly, the template is easier to understand and it conveys the message that the card works off it's own abilities, like all of the allies from zendikar block had written on them. The moral of the story is, in cases like this one anyway, his effect only applies to creatures that come down after him, otherwise he would name himself. If he was supposed to trigger himself, his template would've matched the one they've shown to always use for self-triggering ETB abilities.
You can't make a deck where you restrict them from getting cards with Seer, (again unless you play extreme discard) so it's kind of misleading to make that comparison.
On topic: Since I'm on I guess I'll input. I played back in Kamigawa and I don't remember Final Judgement making an impact at all, but back then we had *** and didn't need much more. I think it showed up in a few control decks that maybe made top 8, or 16, but thats besides the point. This newer version is indeed versatile, and it doesn't hurt to be able to hit walkers, but unless the format turns out slower than it already is, which is looking less likely with the reveal of some of the recent boros cards, then I think at best it'll show up as a 1-2 of in some control variants, maybe in sideboard only, at least as long as Terminus is still around. Again not to compare them but they fill a similar role, and More often control needs creature sweeping to stabilize, and they chance to do it for W is more appealing than the chance to hit something else. Most of the time, if you don't need the creature sweep, then the other modes are mostly extraneous, as you've already made your recovery. I myself will probably try and wedge a few into some control build, but ultimately it'll probably end up in the SB for the mirror, coming in for terminus when there are more than just creatures to hit with it. Unless the mirror HAS almost no artifacts, enchantments, walkers, then i'll probably just cut it all together.
TL;DR It's fringe playable in the current environment, might see more play after INN rotates, competing with Terminus makes it ugly.
Realistically, i'm only posting here because I want this thread to come up when it gets updated so I can watch people respond to toto4567. Is there a follow option on here? ^^