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Back when I was testing vizier knightfall and struggling against humans, I threw an ulvenwald tracker in my deck almost as a joke. I quickly realized that untapping with him is basically GG and have kept him as a 1 of in the sb ever since. He absolutely destroys other creature decks, and is a great way to force VoR to trade up into the token as well.

Back when I was playing vizier combo with Rhonas in the deck it felt like actual cheating to have tracker + rhonas in play.

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Hey pizz0wn3d---Good to see you over here too, we've had some back and forth on the Knightfall thread...

Have you tried the (still) bant version that put up results this weekend in the scg modern open? It cuts the knight plan for spell queller. I'm gearing up for a another modern classic this weekend and have to decide if i want the knights for the midrange or queller for more disruption, curious if you've tested both and your thoughts!!! Heres one of the lists- http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=116828

Also congrats to Ben Ragan who got 3rd at the event with the abzan version!

I haven't had the time, but I'm 100% going to try a fauna shaman in my list. That card actually seems pretty sick. Ben Ragan is actually a friend of a friend's, and was on the vizier knightfall plan until very recently as well.

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=116699

This is me, just posting my results here in case anyone wants to discuss it or ask any questions. Only missed top 8 to tiebreakers. Ended the event at 5-1-1, with the draw being a game I would've won had I noticed my opponent cast a card they didn't have the mana for early enough to rewind, would've won game 3 had we not gone to time. Oh well.

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You pointed out that all the creatures on the combo side of the VizierKnightfall deck suck, but you also guarantee that you always get the combo eventually, be it by Chord, Company, Ewit ... I somewhat disagree with you.

I think the vizier version is much more vulnerable to hate (like Cage for example) and doesn't play another game besides the combos.

Playing against good opponents is much harder since they know what to target and kill and from my experience you just end up putting too many resources into trying to combo ...

I'm not a big fan of Abzan/GW CountersCompany but if I had to play a vizier deck I don't see the advantage of VizierKnightfall over just pure CountersCompany.

Regular knightfall is so fun to play and if you like interacting or grinding more than thats great, but if you like winning the combo makes too much sense to deny to me.

That also doesn't make much sense. Look, CountersCompany is proven to be better than VizierKnightfall, so if you value winning you should just pick it by your reasoning. Kidding aside, even Kelvin said that currently traditional Knighfall is probably better, and I agree with him.

VizierKnighfall always seems to be too fragile or not having the focus it needs to succeed in Modern. Reflector Mage is the only card I really enjoy and you can play it on the Knighfall also, while Spell Queller that vizier lists don't run is just a powerhouse for the current meta.

I'm just not sold on the current SBoards for traditional Knightfall, if you guys could share yours.

How is the vizier version more vulnerable to hate? Cage doesn't stop the combo, and chord often gets sided out against decks that bring it in. The advantage is that knight is a better card in the meta than Kitchen finks (being large enough to trade or outgrow eldrazis and delve threats, while also being able to find gavony or kessig), and the blue sb options are a HUGE deal in our otherwise problematic matchups. Staticaster, Unified Will, and Nissa are all very powerful in the matchups they're used in (not that this is new information considering they're cards from tKnightfall).

I keep getting the feeling that those that criticize deck for being "fragile" and lacking in focus haven't actually played it. Playing 2x Voice and Renegade rallier in the mb have completely changed the interactive matchups for me, and the deck feels very resilient to removal when you overload the deck with 2 for 1s (rallier, ewitt, voice, recruiter, coco = 14 cards) and 'must kill' threats (druid, knight, voice token = 10 cards). I've played traditional knightfall, and all too often felt like I had a deck full of 2/3's that couldn't close the game out quick enough when I had a window.

Additionally, counters company is only proven to be a more popular deck, not necessarily better. Vizier Knightfall is lesser known, and if one is better than the other, it's by a very small margin, though they're both extremely viable options (see the 2nd place vizier list I posted earlier https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/757005#paper).

Took my list to fnm last night and ended up going 4-0, though I did get a round 1 bye lol. Here's my current list:




I also played basically the same list (-2 mage, -1 retreat, +1 Rallier, +1 BoP, +1 vizier) on tuesday with a 3-1 finish, losing to thing ascension.

Last night's matches were as such:
R1 - bye. Ezpz match, opponent was scrub

R2 - Living End. I played t1 dork > t2 druid, and he casts Living end on his t3 bringing back 3 street wraiths and an Archfiend of Ilfnir. On my next turn I fetch and cast renegade rallier, get back druid and pass. He swings in and knocks me down to 4 life, but doesn't have two cyclers and my druid survives, so I'm able to untap and combo off. G2 he gets in an early Living end and kills my board with archfiend before I can combo off. G3 I am able to drop an early Scooby and eat his archfiend from gy, then spend the rest of the game holding up chord for Eidolon of Rhetoric in response to a cascade spell. We spend at least 6 or so turns passing back and forth, and both times I get enough mana on board to swing with scooby or eat something from his gy eot, he plays a fulminator to blow up a nonbasic. Eventually he plays out his hand (suspend Living end. play land, hardcast simian spirit guide), and reveals that he just never found a cascade spell despite cycling 10+ creatures, so I EoT chord for druid and untap and combo kill him. Fun mind games lol.

R3 - Burn. Game one I play a bunch of mana dorks, and assemble the vizier combo, but never see a payoff spell or anything other than mana dorks and lands before he kills me. G2 I'm able to combo kill on t3. G3 I'm on the draw and keep a shaky hand of path, vizier, coco, and lands after he mulls to 6, which gets much less shaky when he ends up actually mulliganing to 4 after not having lands in the other hands. He doesn't find enough gas and I'm able to combo off before he puts me to 0.

R4 - RG Tron. Very quick match. G1 I combo off on t3 on the play, he didn't have time to do anything before it was over. G2 my hand was pretty slow, but I had negate and unified will in hand, which was enough to prevent him from doing anything relevant while I chained 3 back to back CoCos off of eWitt (t3, 4, and 5) and killed him w/ combat damage.


I'm still pretty hyped on this deck, and really enjoying the variety of lines of play the deck has available with CoCo + Chord. I played a game against ETron on tuesday and had a sequence of turns that was extremely fun for me. I played a t1 + 2 dork, t3 play nissa on 1 and +2 her, then unified will his reality smasher, untap and put a druid into play w/ nissa and play ewitt to get back will, which I use to counter his ballista on 2. My following turn I activate nissa to put another dork into play and pass turn with chord and path in hand. He casts endbringer, which I plan to path EoT. He then plays TKS (active tron at this point), which I respond to by chording for ewitt, getting back will, and countering. EoT I path his endbringer, and untap and draw CoCo for the combo kill.

Not sure how many people here saw this, but here's a pretty awesome write up on a 1st place finish w/ the vizier knightfall variant:


https://www.reddit.com/r/spikes/comments/6wdurp/modern_1st_at_37_man_pptq_with_vizier_knightfall/

Hey guys, just got back from Tuesday Night Modern after taking my BG list to a 4-0 finish. This puts me at an overall 15-1 in the last two or so weeks. I should preface that with saying that I haven't had to play against any Eldrazi Tron or Scapeshift, and the local meta is all over the place, but the list has been running super great. Here's what I'm currently running:





Of Note:

No grim flayer - This card is sweet, I love this card. This card is not good atm imo. It is smaller than a lot of things in the format, and if he's not swinging every turn he's not generating value. It also makes our deck weaker to graveyard hate, and I hated how RIP would make the abzan version stop in its tracks until we could find a decay/pulse/sage. I've found that 4 bobs is also quite good at fueling delirium since he either dies immediately and puts a creature in the gy (land/instant/sorcery being pretty easy to dump into the gy via interaction normally), or he draws us extra cards and takes over the game all by himself. Win/win.

No kalitas, 2 ooze/tracker - Kalitas isn't as consistently good as scooby/tracker, so I moved him to the sb to squeeze in an extra scooby to help against burn/dredge/DS decks. This also lowers my curve and I don't have to worry about flipping a 4 drop to bob.

GftT+Victim of Night - Need to kill big dudes at instant speed, these are the best options, and running 2 of either one makes us weaker to affinity or gurmag angler/dredge

Hissing Quagmire/Treetop - This is actually still up in the air. Quagmire is basically in there as a 'removal' spell i can traverse for if i need to (actually got to kill an Gurmy with it tonight), and treetop is a new addition to help close out games in a top deck situation. Not sure if I want to keep both since etb tapped lands can set us back pretty far sometimes.

SB choices:
Kalitas is still a house against enough decks that he's worth running in the 75.
Chameleon Colossus absolutely destroys DS decks, and is pretty damn good in the BGx matches too. Super fun to traverse for this wacky card.


How my rounds went tonight:

R1 GW CoCo Hatebears w/ MB crusaders - G1 he actually puts two crusaders into play, but I manage to edict one w/ lilana after killing his 3rd creature in play EoT and dropping a liliana on my turn. We go back and forth for a little bit where I can't swing my 6/7 goyf and he can't swing his crusader for fear of dying on the crackback, until I drop a Tireless Tracker, and draw 4 extra cards off it. The final turn he swings to put me at lethal the following turn, and I crack two clues EoT to draw the removal I need to kill his blockers and swing for lethal. G2 He drops a crusader t3 and it murders me, but G3 he gets stuck on 2 lands and my t2 bob grows my board into 2 goyfs, tracker, and a scavenging ooze before he finally concedes.

R2 Burn - G1 I draw lands and bob while he burns me out. G2/3 I drop bobs + TS for brutalities, kalitas, tendrils, and pulse and procede to drop t2 + 3 goyfs and beat him up before he can burn me out.

R3 Infect - Great matchup for me and I take it pretty quickly 2-0

R4 Grixis DS - G1 we grind for a while and he's decently ahead for most of it.. until he ends up drawing lands for 4 or so turns while I eventually stick a threat and put him in the dirt. He ended that game having seen 18/20 of his lands. Wow. G2 starts off in his favor, chaining snapcasters and kCommands until I eventually traverse for a Chameleon Colossus and smack him for 8 and force him to use snapcasters as ambush vipers to stay alive. He eventually ran out of 2/1s and Colossus finishes him off.

overall this deck feels super sweet, and mb tec edges really help us to punish people for shaky keeps. I'm really liking the 2 color mana base, and don't feel like I'm missing much, if anything by not playing the 3rd color. My mana base is super easy on my life total, allows space for utility lands, and there's almost no risk to dying to blood moon (esp w/ traverse searching for basics). I have considered splashing a single godless shrine/blood crypt to play explosives or some other white/red cards out of the board, but it hasn't felt necessary yet.

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A question for the board:

Has anyone tried Plunge into Darkness? To me this card seems like a really awesome tutor for our deck. Only the second ability is relevant most of the time, but if you somehow miscalculate your life total and have an extra creature or two, you could use its first ability.

That card seems pretty bad, tbh. Second half seems pretty high variance for the cost. The 1st half will almost never gain more than 6 life.

Looks like literally everyone not on CFB is writing articles about this deck lol. I expect this thread to get a bit more popular.

Some good discussion here on the new delirium build:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/5v5w04/building_a_better_shadow_an_analysis_of_card/


Should we consider renaming this thread or creating a new one for the delirium version?

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Hi all, I've been playing tezzeret / thopters for a couple of years now and I finally took it to a PPTQ this weekend and made top 8 in an 80 person event. I put together a more of a thopter/prison build since I find that Tezz, AoB has largely been unnecessary game one, and can be too slow in the unfair matchups to have much of an impact. Here's my list and report.



Matches
Round 1 - 1-0, Hollow One (2-0)
- Game one he did the usual hollow one things, got me down to around 10 before I got a bridge out and locked him out with welding jar backup. The crane did some nice early blocking.
- Game two I kept a mediocre keep that ended up getting better after a turn one burning inquiry he had a turn two fish, but I got the thopter combo online turn 3, landed a bridge, and turn 5 went infinite with time sieve after he tapped out before he could find a hate piece.

Round 2 - 1-1, KCI (0-2)
I was expecting this to be a decent match game one, as if I can land a chalice on 1 and spyglass on EE, I can shut him out of the game. Unfortunately, he killed me turn 3 when he was on the play and I didn't have a chalice in hand.
- Game two I made the mistake of playing out a spyglass on EE turn 2 before running out a revoker on KCI and he did a bunch of comboing that turn. The game went back and forth for a bit, but I couldn't find a chalice and he eventually got the nature's claims and killed me. In retrospect, I think in this matchup I need to mulligan aggressively for a chalice.

Round 3 - 2-1, Humans (2-1)
- Game one he's on the play and lands vial, followed by two champion, a lieutenant, a mantis rider, and an image copying rider. A crane does some early blocking, but he gets me to 3 life before I'm able to whir for a bridge, but I end up stuck with 2 cards in hand still, and he kills me with a two power creature and a one power creature. (I'd thumped with the crane earlier to save damage from a large champion).
- Game two he runs out vial, vial, champion, champion, hierarch, hierarch all on one land. I play an EE on one. On to game 3.
- Game three he gets some early creatures down, including a Thalia, but my crane keeps back his smaller dudes and saves me more than 10 damage over the course of the game. He plays a turn four freebooter, but I whir for torpor orb, which ends up buying me a ton of time. I assemble the combo over the next couple of turns while taking some chip shots from 2 or 3 power creatures, then sac the torpor orb and make a bunch of thopters and bury him with advantage.

Round 4 - 3-1, Hollow One (2-0)
Had an amazingly friendly opponent this round which was a joy to play against and talk with. Anyway:
- Game one he lands two hollow ones and a flamewake phoenix on turn 2 and looks happy with himself. I play a crane and pass. He attacks me, I block the phoenix and take 10. Next turn I land a bridge and that's the game.
- Game two ended up being more interesting. He thought seizes me turn one and sees my hand of (land, glimmer void, EE, whir, thopter foundry, bridge, mix) and takes the foundry instead of the bridge. Seeing my hand, he then runs out an EE on 0. I play land go, he does something, then my turn two I play my EE to blow up his, which frees me up to play a bauble and keep my glimmer void alive! Turn three I play a Sai, master thopterist and make a thopter with a box opal. Sai's thopters were all-stars providing blockers until I can get the combo together and win.

Round 5 - 4-1 Burn (2-1)
- Game one, I was on the draw which is still scary against burn, but I've got a hand with the combo in it, so I keep. I get down to 4 before I've got the combo going, but only have 3 lands - but it's enough to let me come back and win.
- Game two was surprisingly long and drawn out. He got me pretty low and plays a rest in peace, before Sai stabilizes the ground and a chalice on two shuts off a chunk of his deck. We go back and forth for a while, I can't get the combo going because of the RIP, so I eventually feel comfortable to sacrifice my chalice on 2 to my thopter foundry and get the combo going. I gain more life, but he destructive revelry's the foundry and I'm under the gun again. I play another chalice on 2, but he hit lava spike, rift bolt to get me for exactsies. My next card was a whir which would have been for watchband orb to seal the game.
- Game three, he plays lavamancer on his turn one, but my turn 2 I double escalate collective brutality, then land a chalice on 1 and the game is pretty smooth.

Round 6 - 5-1 BridgeVine (2-1)
Another really friendly opponent. I've never played against this deck, but it looks like crazy fun.
- Game one I keep a hand with Sorcerous Spyglass and Damping Sphere, on the back of whir of invention, mox opal, and some land. He's on the play and on turn 2 has 2 vengevines and 2 zombies in play. I play a crane on turn 2 and pass and he hits me back with vengevines and zombies, then makes even MORE zombies (he had two bridges in the yard turn 2). My turn 3 I whir for bridge, but the spyglass and damping sphere in my hand mean that his zombie army kills me. dang.
- Game two he mulligans to 5, and I keep a hand with bridge and grafdigger's cage. He ancient grudge's my cage, and tries to hit my bridge, but a welding jar saves it. From there I make a bunch of thopters and win.
- Game three I get lucky with him hitting lands off his self-milling and am only facing down a vengevine and a couple zombies. A glint-nest crane saves me a bunch of damage the first few turns by blocking zombies as I stall on lands. I hit my third land a few turns late, but land the combo and chump block his guys for a while. I eventually land a bridge and have a backup whir in hand if anything goes wrong and my thopters take the game.

Round 7 5-1-1 (ID) and make my first top 8!

QuarterFinals (loss) G/W Tron.
Everyone here knows how awful a matchup tron has traditionally been for this deck. I'm hoping that my prison version is better, but I'm still scared since this is my first Tron matchup with the new build.

Game one - He mulligans and plays forest go and I'm still trying to figure out what he's on. Next turn he plays a urza land and I get nervous. However, My turn two play is a chalice on 1, so I think I've got a shot. He plays an Oblivion Stone, and I respond with a Sorcerous Spyglass on it, see a hand with a couple one drops, an Ulamog, and a walking ballista. He plays the ballista on two, and I follow up with the combo over the next two turns. I get a damping sphere and he can't find more than 5 lands, so my thopters take him down. (Wooo! Game one win! This is where it gets easier right?)

Game two - I mulligan to 5 trying to find a hand that will do something against Tron (ideally looking for a chalice) but don't see anything good. I settle on a hand with a Phyrexian Revoker, a Damping Sphere, a Whir, an Island, and a Tolaria West. He plays torn land, into tron land, so I feel like I'm forced to run out the damping sphere. He nature's claims it, and plays a non-torn land. I play a Revoker on O.Stone and pass. He plays the final tron land and plays a Wurmcoil Engine. I play a crane, which whiffs for the first time all day (against my worst matchup, of course), and he plays an Ugin and shoots my revoker. I lose from there.

Game three - I mulligan again looking for action and still can't find a hand with a chalice. He plays a non-tron land early and taps out for an expedition map. I decide to Maelstrom Pulse the expedition map to try to buy time to find things, but it turned out he was slow rolling having natural Tron in his hand all along. I land a damping sphere before he can hit tron, but he has the nature's claim and things spiral downward from there.

Anyway, Hope you enjoyed my first tournament report ever - this deck was a blast to play. There's always a million decisions to make and they're all super critical - what do you run out on turn 2? when do you play a chalice on 2? what to whir for? this deck is awesome. Sai, Master Thopterist over-performed like crazy for me out of the board. He came in almost every match - he's great against decks packing artifact/graveyard hate, and he's better than the combo at getting multiple blockers online quickly. I still need to figure out a better plan against tron, chalice in the opener is a huge help, but it can even be too slow if you're on the draw.

Let me know if you have any thoughts or questions, I check this forum pretty frequently for new ideas

I went 3-0-1 last night running the latest Chew 5-0 list with the changes mentioned above: -1 VoR +1 Pridemage, -1 JTMS -2 Will +1 Elspeth +2 Negate in the board.

Round 1 vs RUG Kiki Moon 2-0
Opponent was playing a RUG Moon deck with Krasis+Kiki. I didn't see either of these cards in two games. G1 he got a T3 Moon, but I had a Noble and Plains out and landed a Pridemage the turn after he moon'd. Ended up just beating him down, IIRC he played like... Goyf, Pyre, Snap->Pyre and that's basically it.

I remember sideboarding fairly poorly, but it didn't really matter. I had a 10/10 Knight and a Scooze which was keeping his Goyfs tiny and eliminating Pyre as an out. He dismembered my Scooze the one turn I tap out to Gavony, but it didn't really matter. Got a second Knight with Queller backup and he shows me the Krasis that can't save him.

Round 2 vs 4C Reveler 2-0
My opponents deck was essentially the Mardu reveler deck with green for Grim Flayer and Traverse. G1 he got kind of mana screwed and died fairly easily after I path'd his Reveler.

I bring in Reflector Mages, Scooze, Elspeth and Bojuka Bog over a Bird, Pridemage, Field of Ruin, both Cliques (bad vs souls) and a Meddling Mage. G2 is very long and drawn out. He plays 3 of his souls and all four Revelers. He probably had 10-15 cards left in library at the end of the game. I had lethal one turn where he was at two with two souls and a Reveler. He attacked with one of the souls vs my board of IIRC Voice and Tracker. I could have Jace bounced the other souls and killed him, but cast company instead since by that time I am very likely to hit a Mage and clearly this guy didn't leave himself DOB intentionally (he knew about Jace). I hit solo bird which felt awful and he draws Duress for my Jace, but Tracker ends up pulling it out after drawing like four cards.

Round 3 vs G Tron 1-1-1
I was playing against a friend I hadn't seen in a bit, and we basically drew because we spent too much time shooting the *****. Despite how much I hate playing against Tron, the games were pretty good and I think all of them could have gone either way with slightly better draws on either of our part.

G1 I am on the draw with T1 noble + flash dudes. No Knight but I manage to disrupt him from getting Tron with Field and Clique. I end up taking a Scrying out of his hand and using Queller on an O-Stone. I get a pretty mediocre company of Birds + Pridemage He gets to six mana and casts a Wurmcoil, but I have pridemage to stop lifegain for a turn. I've got lethal but he draws his seventh land to cast All is Dust. I throw out triple VoR, which he kills with O-Stone and then has the second O-Stone to wipe my lethal board again. He gets a Coil before I draw another relevant card and kills me.

I sideboard 4 counters, 2 stony, & 2 mage for 4 Path, 1 Scooze, 2 Tracker, 1 bird. G2 I mulligan into a medium hand of two land no blue source, stony, and blue three drops. Stony happens to be amazing this game and basically carries me to victory. I make a misplay where he has a 2/2 ballista and I don't reflector mage it because I forget about my own Stony. I end up winning anyway, Jace Fatesealing to ensure he doesn't draw any more lands.

G3 I have an amazing tempo hand with T1 Noble into Queller, Field, & Clique. I also have a Negate. He doesn't really have any gas, and I clique a Cage since I have company in hand. Time is called and I have just enough gas to kill him on the fifth turn. Unfortunately, I get a terrible company hitting Bird+Hierarch. I clique him and he has Scryings to hit Tron and an Ancient Stirrings. I am supposed to take Stirrings here, since it's 5 deep vs one when I CLique it. I don't and he finds Ulamog. Oops. He was dead anyway if my company wasn't so trash, but I still have outs. I missed trying to Jace into GQ, but I wouldn't have found it anyway. Ulamog eats my two fliers. If I had Unified Will instead of Negate in hand, I could stop his follow-up Ballista and out-race Ulamog with Birds+Exalted, but since it was Negate he decides not to concede. I think I could have earned a concession or actually won had I played tighter.

Round 4 vs Jeskai control 2-0
My opponent is playing a fairly top-end heavy Jeskai deck. I don't think he had JTMS, since I saw an Architect of Thought in G2. He had Rev, Torrential Gearhulk, & Secure the Wastes. G1 he buys a lot of time with Secure for 4-5, but he can't get an answer to my Knight which just beats in every turn. Jace was also pretty good, though he could actually pressure him well thanks to the Secure and bolt/electrolyze. He revs for 5 but draws into nothing and I win.

I board in 4 counters, scooze and Elspeth for 4 path & 2 birds. G2 I have a Knight that gets remanded, and then I decide to play on his turn since i have Clique/Queller/Company/Will. Finally I decide to cast a VoR and he casts Secure for 3... well, there goes the Unified Will plan! I manage to get ahead on board and he gets a board wipe. I follow up with Clique, which is bolted, and see Elspeth and Rev! I take Elspeth and untap to play a Knight. I am at seven and he has colonnades, so I am at risk to just dying if he has bolt and my follow up company doesn't hit a flier. He mainphase revs for 4, leaving a single U/W source open. I EoT company into Knight + Mage naming Path and win the game.



I think going forward I am going to try dropping Mage from the MB for +1 Scooze, +1 VoR and +1 Pridemage or Courser, and then having 2x Mage in the board. I might experiment with running Retreat again... likely would go to 1 Jace MB and drop the Pridemage/Course for 2x Retreat.

It really revolves around whether you’re playing Druid Vizier combo or not. Then it comes down to whether or not you’re playing reflector Mage (what amount in main or side) or not at all. Then after you’ve decided you play at least 1 retreat, ALWAYS 8 mana dorks, and some combination of value creatures and disruptive ones. It’s so flexible from there so you gotta be a bit specific about what you’re trying to prepare for.

Hey congrats man!!! I'm keeping the fire roaring on Vizier Nightfall too. How good were Nissa and Dusk/Dawn for you? Btw, I'm wondering if you encountered burn at all. That matchup is making me consider the cards ppl have been talking about recently in here for my board, but I'm not sure. Was 2 reflector Mage enough?

Can anyone explain why some of the Abzan decks only play 3 Lilliana of the veils and 3 total planeswalkers in the main board? Jund and most BG rock lists play 4 Lilly of the Veil.

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So Ghost Quarters over Fulminator Mages? They can be tutored for with Traverse the Ulvenwald. The difference is one cost 3 and the other is free but they get a basic land which doesn't set them back as far. Is screwing Tron our of their Urza's lands earlier better or is it okay to do it turn 3 or 4? Assuming you have the mana? I realize Ghost Quarter isn't as good against shocklands but it still stalls them out a bit.

Thoughts?

Im definitely running 2 Fulminator mages and 1 ghost quarter. Sure ghost quarter gives a basic, but its much easier to just traverse and plop down asap

Hi guys

So I finally put the deck together, and I have been testing at least 3 different versions: draw-g0, Narset (my least favorite), and the UWb hybrid with walls and RestoAngels. Also have the UW version with 4 x spreading seas and 4 x ghost quarter MD (which is quite decent =)). All in all, I made a couple of 4-1's in competitive leagues, some 3-2 and X-3 drops.

I understand different variations have different advantages, but I consistently find myself having trouble vs eldrazi tron and U-tron (not so much the GR unless they get the nut draw).

Out of the three Esper versions the one that has the best game IMO is the UWb hybrid one as the walls+resto can hold on their smaller threats for at least a turn, giving me time to get to 5+ mana with a 'healthy' life total. (My SB is pretty standard, I usually go -2 fatal push -1 negate + 3 runed halo.) My problem with that deck is that going all in creature removal it leaves me open to t3 karn plays which happen rather often in my experience. So I find myself in the dilemma of keeping counters for the big plays (Karn,etc.) which can be easily blanked if they draw a cavern of souls. I just went 4-1 with UWb and my only loss was to that deck (won vs. Jund, MonoR, Naya burn and B-tron. btw IMO UWb is favored vs burn in all of its variations). Anyway, any words of advice on this matchup would be appreciated.

Also, vs the U-tron matchup. I have been tossing between different alternatives. Have tested the Crumble to dust and can be very much hit and miss (and is awkward vs Eldrazi tron anyway) as it can come too late for it to dodge the TKS, their ouwn counter spells, or an assembled tron. I am now testing a couple of ghost quarters in the mana base but have my doubts on its consistency. Other options could be to go X spreading seas in the SB, or is it too narrow a card?

Regarding sb. I have been testing a vs. with 3 Leylines 3 Halos which is pretty good vs burn, vlakut, rack decks, etc. but it is consuming a lot of my sb space =( Perhaps just the halos would be enough ?

I am playing the GB Brisbane next weekend so I am really trying to figure out which version I want to go with before the day =) Cheers and thanks for any input!