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  • posted a message on Cards that should be reprinted to enter the Modern card pool
    Quote from amalek0 »
    Your argument ignores the fundamental problem with countermagic vs removal--Countermagic MUST be deployed before a threat can resolve; Removal can work at any point. In a deck with 40 counterspells and 20 lands, one resolved threat is good game. In a deck with 40 removal spells and 20 lands, it's unlikely to lose to any single creature.

    Drawing counterspells on anything other than an empty board is as good as drawing nothing, which is why removal is more restrictive. There are no wrong threats, only wrong answers.

    You're not wrong, but that also highlights one of the issues with two mana counterspells that can hit anything. If your deck is 20 lands and 40 counterspells and you're on the play, and they don't have a one-drop, they'll literally never resolve a threat (assuming you draw the same number of counterspells as they do threats, which works for the sake of the vacuum). As they run out of lower drops you're only going to get more efficient, too.

    I don't necessarily think a two mana counterspell would be overpowered in Modern. Mana Leak exists and it's pretty close. But there is no Terminate-analogous complicated mana costed Counterspell variant. Counterspell is, in a vacuum, better than Terminate, and making it cost UG or UB isn't going to change that.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Cards that should be reprinted to enter the Modern card pool
    Quote from Zydermann »
    I was thinking the other day about the 2 mana kill spells; there is no perfect one in a single color. Doom Blade, Go For the Throat, and Victim of Night all have important weaknesses. It seems fitting that there is no perfect 2 mana counter in mono-blue. Certainly Terminate is the perfect 2 mana kill spell. What, if anything, would be the analogue for counter spells. Is there anything in UW or UB that's similar/could be reprinted?

    Of course it's also possible that I'm thinking about this incorrectly and Thoughtseize is the correct comparison for Counterspell

    There's no analogue for counterspells in that case because removal that can hit any creature isn't the same as a counterspell that can hit any spell. With removal, you're talking about a type of spell that can usually hit 80%* of its possible targets (or 100% in Terminate's case) which only make up less than 50%** of existing Magic cards. That means the average removal spell can hit approximately 40% of cards (50% for Terminate). Compare that to counterspells, most often broken up into noncreature vs. creature (50/50ish). The ten percent jump in effectiveness you see with Terminate is nothing compared to suddenly making the counterspell able to handle 100% (+50%!) of spells in Magic. Not only that, but Counterspells also nullify enter the battlefield effects, which removal spells do not.

    It's acknowledged that there's an unfortunate lack of middle ground between 2 and 3, as that is the fairest place for Counterspell to be. That's why you see a lot of two mana counterspells with additional effects, like Countersquall. Land destruction faces the same issue, with 3 generally being considered too cheap and 4 being too expensive.

    * This 80% assumes there's an even color distribution of creatures and ignores artifacts. A crude guess, but the number gets the point across. Also ignoring creatures with protection, hexproof, etc.

    ** According to Gatherer there are 8379 creatures and 6988 non-creature, non-lands. Number includes silver bordered cards and there are some weird non-creature, non-land types like phenomenon but the number is pretty close to accurate. 50/50 used for simplicity and close-enoughness
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The PucaTrade Thread
    Quote from Pokerkingdave »
    Quote from PopeJP »
    Quote from ajprokos »
    Quote from PopeJP »
    The card increased in price overnight, and the person who would be receiving was sending you a message to cancel it because he didn't want to rip you off? That's very nice of him/her. You're obligated to send the card, but if the receiver specifically requests you not send it then I don't think the obligation stands. If I'm misreading that and the card actually decreased, s/he's obligated to receive the card for the agreed upon amount anyway.

    If the message was from an admin (you were a bit unclear xD), telling you to cancel it despite the rules, I think you do what the admin tells you.


    The price jumped hard. $2 to $10 ^^^^
    TBH, I was not tracking the price.

    Awful nice of him to offer to cancel, trying not to rip you off. I'd say at this point it's up to you what you want to do. If there's willingness from both parties to cancel, it's not against the rules to do so.

    Ulvenwald Hydra I assume?


    i think what happened is that aj committed to send the card out to someone and dropped it in the mailbox. The next morning the person asked for the trade to be cancelled.
    Assuming that was what occurred, he shouldn't have to cancel the trade. It doesn't seem malicious or anything, just one of those things that occasionally happens.

    Ooooh duh. I was thinking he initiated the trade prior to the spike.

    If that's the case, you have no obligation to cancel the trade, especially if you've already put it in the mail. But you can if you want to.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on The PucaTrade Thread
    Quote from ajprokos »
    Quote from PopeJP »
    The card increased in price overnight, and the person who would be receiving was sending you a message to cancel it because he didn't want to rip you off? That's very nice of him/her. You're obligated to send the card, but if the receiver specifically requests you not send it then I don't think the obligation stands. If I'm misreading that and the card actually decreased, s/he's obligated to receive the card for the agreed upon amount anyway.

    If the message was from an admin (you were a bit unclear xD), telling you to cancel it despite the rules, I think you do what the admin tells you.


    The price jumped hard. $2 to $10 ^^^^
    TBH, I was not tracking the price.

    Awful nice of him to offer to cancel, trying not to rip you off. I'd say at this point it's up to you what you want to do. If there's willingness from both parties to cancel, it's not against the rules to do so.

    Ulvenwald Hydra I assume?
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on The PucaTrade Thread
    The card increased in price overnight, and the person who would be receiving was sending you a message to cancel it because he didn't want to rip you off? That's very nice of him/her. You're obligated to send the card, but if the receiver specifically requests you not send it then I don't think the obligation stands. If I'm misreading that and the card actually decreased, s/he's obligated to receive the card for the agreed upon amount anyway.

    If the message was from an admin (you were a bit unclear xD), telling you to cancel it despite the rules, I think you do what the admin tells you.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on [Primer] Living End
    Quote from Raver »
    I'm not super convinced of mainboarding ingot chewers at least not yet. Mb chalice will see less play as that was an eldrazi meta thing, there is that going for us. The verdict is still not out yet about thopter swords. There exists a lot of artifact hate in modern so the odds are against it being a tier 1 deck that requires us to have mb answers.

    I think once the meta settles itself that will be the case, but in light of the unbannings I think you're going to see a lot of people excited to get to play their Thopter-Sword combo again and, as such, it will be out in force. You'll also see people trying to play their Eldrazi decks mostly unchanged save for the removal of Eye. So for a few weeks, I think maining Ingot Chewer is going to be a real meta play.
    Posted in: Modern Archives - Proven
  • posted a message on Pucatrade
    You can come join us in this thread, lots of talk about that kind of thing there.

    http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/market-street/market-street-cafe/576547-the-pucatrade-thread
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [Official] Altered/Pimp Cube Cards Thread
    Quote from cromonolith »
    Quote from PopeJP »

    In other news, I'll be getting this beauty in the mail in a couple of days:


    Jesus, that's really nice. Who did that?
    Quote from Sparki »
    If I had to guess... LaRocque?

    Indeed, it was LaRocque. Super nice guy.
    Posted in: The Cube Forum
  • posted a message on [Official] Altered/Pimp Cube Cards Thread
    Quote from Juju »
    I picked up an Unlimited Icy Manipulator the other day, which is kind of pimp, but kind of not pimp. Any ideas for a cool Icy Manipulator alter? There's always the obvious Adventure Time one.

    A Palantir is what immediately comes to mind for me.

    Edit: If you're into Neon Genesis Evangelion, it would be kind of cool to alter the orb into an angel core/S2 engine, change the hand to be unit 01's, have its face reflected on the surface of it.

    Personally I really like my Mirrodin foil. Hardly the rarest version, but I really dig that art.

    In other news, I'll be getting this beauty in the mail in a couple of days:
    Posted in: The Cube Forum
  • posted a message on Imperial Animar
    I wouldn't say no problems, losing Cradle hurts really bad.
    Posted in: 1 vs 1 Commander
  • posted a message on [[Official]] What is the most pimp card/deck you've seen or owned? (SEE RULES!)
    I went ahead and got the whole set:
    Also pictured are my Johannes Voss Sakura Angel tokens from GP Chiba(?). Limited run.

    Between the JingHe and the super rare SCG Angel tokens, I'd go for the JingHe. It's more official, rather than just a fancy third party token.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [[Official]] What is the most pimp card/deck you've seen or owned? (SEE RULES!)
    Ugh, this thread is so bad for my wallet. I picked up a set of JingHes recently, didn't know about the Minagishis. What are they?
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [Official] Altered Art Thread (56k Beware)
    Quote from SimicNuggets »
    Can't believe I just discovered this thread. O_o Loving what I'm seeing!

    Here are some I had done for me Smile (credits to CerealAlters and RockyMTGAlters)





    I'm pretty sure that Akroma was done by LaRocque alters, not RockyMtgAlters.

    Edit: At least, that's what he goes by now?
    Posted in: Artwork
  • posted a message on This or That discussion.
    Quote from Red13th »
    Which is a better cut for Duskwatch Recruiter, Evolutionary Leap or Wall of Blossoms?

    Leap seems pretty bad overall. I'd keep Wall between the two.
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on [Primer] Living End
    Quote from protoaddict »
    Quote from Fleymen »
    I saw Eerie Interlude in the Shadows over Innistrad Spoilers. Would we have problems if this card would show up in an opponents sideboard?


    That really depends what those creatures are. Keep in mind most of our stuff is bigger than most creature based decks and aside from it also triggering the occasional non-bo of Deadshot having to kill our own Macabre your still going to have better board position most of the time.

    Also ask what deck would actually play this? Eldrazi, even if it is a deck after the fact, probably won't touch them outside of a sideboard because it is so specific. White Tokens deck cant use it. Thalia stax archetypes cant use it. There really is not much it can actually go into.

    Also, Ghostway exists and has never seen any play.
    Posted in: Modern Archives - Proven
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