They are. But some (prevailing may have been a strong choice of words) that will re-roll the random if a scum team ends up being all noobs while the town has several experienced players(and IIRC AI like myself is one that is willing to sidestep total randomness in handing out roles if it means that the game's overall health will be better). Basics are meant to be more learning games and in a WCS and the scum team just gets curb-stomped because of lack of experience to guide it there isnt a whole lot of learning going on.
On this site you can be fairly certain that there is a zero chance of a jester being in any game ever.
I don't see this actually being of any use. If AI just says yes then there is nothing to learn because even a re-reoll of random is still random. If AI says no then we are all screwed lol. If he says yes but I rolled it out several times it almost mod confirms my theory so there is no way he can answer while the game is ongoing if this is the actual case. If he ignores it because as I have just pointed out his answer has the potential to influence the game state we are back to learning nothing.
TL:DR Why ask a question you know wont actually be useful? The attempt to appear helpful but without actually being so is noted.
That's why I was asking you instead of the mod, I don't know the general behavior of the mods here on salv. Suffice to say, the fact that it is possible that any case but completely random is what happened lends credence to your theory about which players should be spread out. I'm glad I won't see jester on here, too.
That'll put him to l-2 again. We should probably simply leave him there until the lynch, though if somebody wants to take a vote off to pressure elsewhere, they should go ahead.
As for the why of this vote, in case people don't want to read Meggido's wall analysis or reanalyze DS themselves-he's been on both busses that weren't his, and was extremely quick to jump on in both cases. Since, he's deflected instead of defending himself. Granted, he claimed, and I think that claim will be extremely hard to deflect short of a counterclaim by the actual D5 boy, as that character does not even have a name.
As for other players:
Town leaning:
Meggido-He's provided in-depth analyses repeatedly, and has been more or less spot-on, in my opinion.
Tordeck-That gambit is far too risky as scum for me to believe Tordeck is anything but town, personally. We'll see how the night goes with that WIFOM, though, and that might change my opinion.
Ahylis-I think scum would avoid touching Tordeck completely this game (until someone else had first-see DS) but Ahylis was the first to call him out.
Scum:
DS-See above, and also see others posts for more in-depth analysis that I happen to agree with.
The rest are more or less null-tells, at least as far as my voting behavior is concerned. I'm becoming less suspicious of Cythare, especially as it becomes more apparent that DS is in fact scum. That being said, if DS is the lynch and flips town, I will come back and seriously consider the idea of Cyth/Atog.
DJ, KJ, Megs and I are the most experienced players in this game (using MTGS meta only). Knowing the prevailing mindset of game mods of this site I am going to assume at least one of us is scum. Now using scumtactia 101 I know that, baring a power role playing terrible early and getting run up or breadcrumbing too soon, I have a 33% to 50% chance of catching a bullet N1. This means that I need to make sure that my reads are true and on point as well as known by all as early as possible. So that when I do die there is a good starting point for the remaining town to look at.
Also the way I went about it creates just enough WIFOM to usually keep me alive long enough to peg a scum or two. Scum kill me it makes my reads that much stronger. They keep me alive it gives just enough doubt to the other town as to my cred that they feel protected. They feel safe, mistakes get made. And the longer I am alive the more hunting I can do and so when I do finally die the remaining town have a place to start looking once again.
Its a hard gambit to play since a lot of times one will just up the D1 lynch before you can get a solid read anywhere. But when successful its a win-win all the way.
I was under the impression that the roles are given out randomly, but if mods tend to 'cheat' their own system, feel free to correct me.
Glad Tordeck was gambiting and not just being ridiculous.
This. I was suspicious, but in case I was right wasn't going to say anything. I've seen a couple of Tordeck's games and knew he was better than that, and I was fairly certain there was zero chance of a jester type role in a basic, though I've been screwed over by weird roles in a basic before.
What does this question accomplish? How will his answer tell you anything about his alignment?
Nothing. What it tells me is his analysis of other players, which is relevant especially if we were to lynch him and he flipped town (or, for that matter, if he flipped mafia-but that would be mostly wifom so its use would be debatable.)
Also in this post but not relevant enough to re-quote: You mention disliking language gaming, but start the post with calling someone out based on it.
Most of the regulars have it either in their sig or their blog here on Sally. If they dont you can assume they are fairly new.
I've got something like 2-3 games on here, but they're from the very beginning of my experience with mafia. I can dig them up if people would like, but I don't know how helpful they'd be.
That being said, I'd consider myself middling amount of experience.
Ok thanks for the advice. Lets see what other helpful comments you can offer.
This post reads kinda confusing-like, but what I get from it is that you correctly peg me as a townie who is looking for scum among the people going after cythare, ok cool.
Whoa nellie that was a fast 180, I think I even felt a breeze. You posted this 3 minutes after that that first post, lol.
I do what I can.
Yes, that's what I meant by that post. Assuming you are experienced (Basically not extremely new) you read to me like you're attempting to find out who has a legitimate vote on Cythare and who is simply scum. The next post is specifically in the case of you being very new to the game; its a newb scum mistake to tie yourself, even a little, to other scum.
Also, just to reiterate what everyone else has said so far, I'd really like to see what Deathjoey thinks of all of this before it gets even further out of control.
There is the possibility that this is just a flustered townie who doesn't know how to respond under pressure. However, in that scenario, most of his credibility as town is gone and I'm not sure he's particularly beneficial for the town in either case.
We do still have two more people who need to weigh in though, and I would prefer not to lynch until they have made some statement or another about their thoughts on the game.
Agreed. That being said, I'm okay with him being the lynch for the day (at this juncture; we still have plenty of time for discussion) and so will put him to l-2.
Well, that answers that question. Glad we didn't have a huge game derailment that soon into day one.
Cythare, do *you* think that Atog is tying himself to you? I'm not sure whether the backstabbing post was agreeing with Megiddo or simply an explanation of why he might be doing so.
This is worth investigating though. I'm gonna hold my vote until he explains himself though, as this pressure seems to be enough to get the answer we want.
@Cythare I think it's hilarious that people are ganging up on him because of the first the post he made in a mafia game, ever. Honestly I don't give much credence to the case against him, he's new, of course he has qualms.
What you want here is a hash tag (#) not an at (@). @ implies you are speaking to someone, # is about.
First, you're using loaded language. "slammed" implies a very strong attack. Here's my post, for examination:
I asked him a question. I'd hardly call that "slamming."
Second, yes, I am attacking you, but not for "calling me out" on asking a question. I'm attacking you for defending cythare when he could and should have spoken for himself.
You're tying yourself to Cythare. Now you're reframing the events of the game to make me look bad. Why?
He is tying himself to Cythare, to some extent. Which inclines me to believe that they are not both mafia, though I don't know how good at this game atog is, having never played with him. If he's good, though, he would let the other maf establish himself first. Instead he's playing to look out for scum among those who are attacking Cythare.
I know I'm a little slow on chiming in on the contest, but I think making Huntmaster of the Fells 2 will seem a little unoriginal. Also, while I do like the idea of making something dimir-ish, I see no reason we need to (other than clan pride, which is legit. That being said, we shouldn't be judged poorly for a non-Dimir-ish card.) All of that being all of that, my proposal:
CARDNAME, Guardian of Duskmantle 4
Legendary Artifact Creature-Werewolf
Indestructible, Shroud
~ cannot attack or block.
UB: Transform ~. Activate this ability only during combat and only when one or more creatures is attacking you.
1/5
---
CARDNAME, Awakened
Legendary Creature-Werewolf
Indestructible
Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a creature, that creature becomes an artifact in addition to its other types and cannot attack or block.
3/3
@Homestarr, yea. Put that in spoilers labeled "don't read unless you've watched Gurren Lagann." Gotta have some respect to others man.
Anyone going to release this weekend? Planning on going tomorrow.
Running it tonight. Actually leaving for work in like two minutes, the draft starts at 6:30. Might play if we get low turnout, and if we get high turnout I can hopefully get a second going.
[House Dimir]? In MY city? Its more likely than you think.
That's why I was asking you instead of the mod, I don't know the general behavior of the mods here on salv. Suffice to say, the fact that it is possible that any case but completely random is what happened lends credence to your theory about which players should be spread out. I'm glad I won't see jester on here, too.
That'll put him to l-2 again. We should probably simply leave him there until the lynch, though if somebody wants to take a vote off to pressure elsewhere, they should go ahead.
As for the why of this vote, in case people don't want to read Meggido's wall analysis or reanalyze DS themselves-he's been on both busses that weren't his, and was extremely quick to jump on in both cases. Since, he's deflected instead of defending himself. Granted, he claimed, and I think that claim will be extremely hard to deflect short of a counterclaim by the actual D5 boy, as that character does not even have a name.
As for other players:
Town leaning:
Meggido-He's provided in-depth analyses repeatedly, and has been more or less spot-on, in my opinion.
Tordeck-That gambit is far too risky as scum for me to believe Tordeck is anything but town, personally. We'll see how the night goes with that WIFOM, though, and that might change my opinion.
Ahylis-I think scum would avoid touching Tordeck completely this game (until someone else had first-see DS) but Ahylis was the first to call him out.
Scum:
DS-See above, and also see others posts for more in-depth analysis that I happen to agree with.
The rest are more or less null-tells, at least as far as my voting behavior is concerned. I'm becoming less suspicious of Cythare, especially as it becomes more apparent that DS is in fact scum. That being said, if DS is the lynch and flips town, I will come back and seriously consider the idea of Cyth/Atog.
I was under the impression that the roles are given out randomly, but if mods tend to 'cheat' their own system, feel free to correct me.
This. I was suspicious, but in case I was right wasn't going to say anything. I've seen a couple of Tordeck's games and knew he was better than that, and I was fairly certain there was zero chance of a jester type role in a basic, though I've been screwed over by weird roles in a basic before.
Sorry 'bout that, its been a busy weekend.
My analysis of people's play since I've been mia incoming in a few minutes.
Nothing. What it tells me is his analysis of other players, which is relevant especially if we were to lynch him and he flipped town (or, for that matter, if he flipped mafia-but that would be mostly wifom so its use would be debatable.)
Also in this post but not relevant enough to re-quote: You mention disliking language gaming, but start the post with calling someone out based on it.
I've got something like 2-3 games on here, but they're from the very beginning of my experience with mafia. I can dig them up if people would like, but I don't know how helpful they'd be.
That being said, I'd consider myself middling amount of experience.
I do what I can.
Yes, that's what I meant by that post. Assuming you are experienced (Basically not extremely new) you read to me like you're attempting to find out who has a legitimate vote on Cythare and who is simply scum. The next post is specifically in the case of you being very new to the game; its a newb scum mistake to tie yourself, even a little, to other scum.
Also, just to reiterate what everyone else has said so far, I'd really like to see what Deathjoey thinks of all of this before it gets even further out of control.
Agreed. That being said, I'm okay with him being the lynch for the day (at this juncture; we still have plenty of time for discussion) and so will put him to l-2.
Vote: Cythare
Cythare, do *you* think that Atog is tying himself to you? I'm not sure whether the backstabbing post was agreeing with Megiddo or simply an explanation of why he might be doing so.
Did you edit a post? I couldn't find the edited one.
If that's the case, they might very well be a scum team.
Gogo Pokenerds.
And I didn't have to make a single post!
What you want here is a hash tag (#) not an at (@). @ implies you are speaking to someone, # is about.
He is tying himself to Cythare, to some extent. Which inclines me to believe that they are not both mafia, though I don't know how good at this game atog is, having never played with him. If he's good, though, he would let the other maf establish himself first. Instead he's playing to look out for scum among those who are attacking Cythare.
Looking forward to the flavor of this game. Currently in nothing else.
On a more LoL-y note, just crushed as jungle TF. This build is hilarious.
CARDNAME, Guardian of Duskmantle 4
Legendary Artifact Creature-Werewolf
Indestructible, Shroud
~ cannot attack or block.
UB: Transform ~. Activate this ability only during combat and only when one or more creatures is attacking you.
1/5
---
CARDNAME, Awakened
Legendary Creature-Werewolf
Indestructible
Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a creature, that creature becomes an artifact in addition to its other types and cannot attack or block.
3/3
Link to call me maybe doesn't work, btdubs.
Does anyone else play d3? I finally got it a few weeks back, and have played quite a bit since.
Running it tonight. Actually leaving for work in like two minutes, the draft starts at 6:30. Might play if we get low turnout, and if we get high turnout I can hopefully get a second going.
[House Dimir]? In MY city? Its more likely than you think.
Might be a little long, idk.