Quote from GrenzoEDH »Hey, I just wanted to extend my thanks to both snowfox54119 and Zervintz for your contributions to this topic and actively pursuing upgrades and enhancements to this incredibly fun and dynamic commander.
I got into EDH about 2 years ago with some precons, but the first standalone commander I started brewing was Grenzo, Dungeon Warden off of a super budget EDH deck list that I ordered for $31.51 USD.
Contributors and guides like yourselves are an incredible resource to the mtg community and you should know that it has been highly appreciated.
Thank you so much for the kind words; I'm extremely honored. And I couldn't have done any of this if it wasn't for this awesome community. Contributors and commentors on this topic have influenced a lot of upgrades/changes to the list. So I appreciate all of your help in making this list the best it can be.
Quote from manugl84 »
@snowfox54119 I wonder if you have tried or thought about Phyrexian tower. I have one and I think it could be good for occasionoal sac and flip.
And how about Mana crypt?. I know you want to minimize the number of non-creature spells, but crypt is soooo good.
Thank in advance and sorry for my english.
Your grammar is great, no need to apologize! I may have to look into Phyrexian Tower, because I do admit having an extra mana available could make a big difference since it's an additional flip when we're stuck at odd mana.
As for Mana Crypt, I have a couple of reasons for why I personally don't run it in the list:
Cost - A big part of why I love this list is its affordability that allows lots of players to jump in on the idea at a low investment level. This might be paranoid of me as it can easily be switched out, but I wouldn't want new players to jump on a list, see an $80+ card, and immediately assume the list is out of their price range. I know that's how I felt when I first started and saw lists with Mana Crypt, Chrome Mox, Grim Monolith, etc.
Threat - Getting a turn 1 Mana Crypt is going to draw even more ire than a turn 1 Sol Ring. So you better believe people now have their removal primed and ready for Grenzo. This issue is mitigated when drawn in the late game, and it's still a powerful draw in the late game since it equates to an additional free flip every turn.
Speed - The deck can already be lightning fast at times, and I really try to maintain my current speed to avoid complete oppressiveness in a more casual meta. This is definitely the weakest and most subjective point, but I feel the current speed is pretty great and I want to be cautious about making it faster.
Either way, I'll add them in the "Alternate Meta Picks List", because they're ultimately worth running if you have them.
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Nothing too interesting about the list, pretty standard.
Unfortunately for him he has 6 dead sideboard slots since no one brought Eldrazi or Tron.
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It's one guy bull*****ting. There hasn't been a mtgo beta active since Monday.
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No one is playing Nahiri and Emrakul together with Reveler.
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It never did. It's basically a vanilla bear, there's too many better creatures to play.
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It was retired as of Magic Origins https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/evergreen-eggs-ham-2015-06-08
KEYWORD ABILITIES REMOVED:
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Landwalk
Landwalk has many of the same issues as intimidate…but even more severe. What do you do against a landwalk creature if you're playing the appropriate land? Not play your basic lands? Magic games are best when there is some interaction, and landwalk was not clearing the bar.
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http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=117146
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=117193
Both UG, the main differences are in the mana base.