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  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 20, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Quote from Megiddo »
    So what are you claiming then? I thought it permanently removed their ability to kill. That should happen regardless of whether or not they actually do attempt a kill. Correct or incorrect?
    You are either over-thinking this or are a complete moron. FYI I believe it is the former.

    Yes, it permanently removes their ability to kill.

    HOWEVER, we only win if my ability actively stops Mafia from performing the NK, so they have to take the shot and have it fail for Town to win due to my ability.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 20, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Quote from Megiddo »
    I'm not arguing semantics. I'm not taking issue with the difference between the words "block" and "prevent." My issue is that you seemed to have originally claimed that this was a permanent removal of a player's ability to kill, and that if the scum team were no longer able to kill, the town would win.

    That's fine, but then I don't understand what the difference between the scum shooting or not shooting Tonight is. If you target them, it should result in a win no matter what, right? Even if they no-kill Tonight they would be affected by your ability, which is (as you previously told us) a permanent loss of the ability to kill. So, why should it matter if they attempt to kill Tonight?

    One other post on this topic:
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Axelrod »
    Quote from Manders »
    That includes the Mafia NK, btw. I haven't been able to use it.

    How could it include "the mafia nightkill?" Does your ability work in secret, so they don't know they've lost the ability to kill?
    I'm not sure, so I will ask Az. But it specifically says the Town wins if I prevent Mafia from making their kill at Night.


    so... let's reset. Start with explaining in full your ability, all of the specifics?
    It can't stop them from killing if they don't attempt to kill.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 20, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Quote from Megiddo »
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Megiddo »
    doesn't it not matter if scum shoots or not?
    Quote from Megiddo »
    Like I'd expect you to be making a slightly different post than the one you just made.
    It absolutely matters because if Scum shoots and I targeted them with my block, the Town wins, which means Cythare would win, too, since he survived (if his claim is what he's claimed, ofc.)
    I want you to read this, then read what you just wrote, and tell me how the two statements happen to line up.

    "a win for the town" sure but then why would Cythare be winning etc. You are clearly talking about a game-ending scenario here.
    Because I'm specifically talking about if the Scum shoot. If they do and I targeted them, they will be blocked, the Town will win and, since Cythare would be alive, he, too, would win IF he's telling the truth.

    If the Scum do not fire, it's just a win (lower case, as in A GOOD THING) for the Town because Scum wouldn't have killed anyone regardless of whether I targeted the right person or not.

    Quote from Megiddo »
    also, your original claim
    Quote from Manders »
    I'm mobile, so anything else will have to wait, but Unvote for now.

    Seppel, my second ability permanently removes a target players' ability to kill.

    Told you it was pretty sweet. Too bad I'm as good as dead now.
    (next post clarified that this applied to the mafia's kill).

    I mean, people forget what they have said (it happened with DOTA today too) so i'm just interested to hear the explanation.
    This is some more of you arguing semantics. Anyone I target will be blocked from killing anyone for the rest of the game. It doesn't matter if I call it "removing their kill" or "blocking their kill" as they amount to the same ******* thing.

    Quote from Megiddo »
    am i overvaluing wildfire's ability?
    No, I absolutely believe he was the Scum's most valuable weapon and that's why Iso and GJ both tried to defend him as best they could.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 20, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Oh I think I know where you're confused.

    I said it was a win for us if Scum doesn't shoot, this is correct.

    I didn't mean a win as in winning the game, though. I meant a plus for Town-type win.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 20, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Kill removal = kill block.

    And IF I BLOCK THE MAFIA FROM FIRING THE MAFIA NK, TOWN WINS.

    There is no discrepancy. You are arguing semantics.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 20, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Quote from Megiddo »
    doesn't it not matter if scum shoots or not?
    Quote from Megiddo »
    Like I'd expect you to be making a slightly different post than the one you just made.
    It absolutely matters because if Scum shoots and I targeted them with my block, the Town wins, which means Cythare would win, too, since he survived (if his claim is what he's claimed, ofc.)

    Quote from Axelrod »
    What ability are you talking about using Manders? The one that removes someone's ability to kill permanently? This is not a "role-block" though, right? And it costs 5 empower which you do not currently have? How would you even get to 5 empower for tonight?

    I am definitely missing something here.
    Yes, I'm talking about using my block. Yes, it is not a role-block, only a kill-block. It does cost 5 empowerment, and I have none.

    Quote from Cythare »
    The only way for her to get to 5 empower and also have me motivate her if she doesn't have any empowerment is for everyone else to empower her and for her to empower me, since there are 6 of us remaining.
    Oh, I thought you were good for your ability.

    Empower: Cythare
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 20, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Quote from Megiddo »
    actually i'll post pictures anyway lol gimme a sec
    Please don't. They just bog down the site, especially when I'm mobile.

    Also, Empower: Axel
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 20, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Quote from Megiddo »
    Manders, do you have any abilities other than your 5-empower?
    I can remove someone's ability to give empowerment during the Day, and I get it. I did this to Tom N1.
    Quote from Tammy »
    Manders checking out at end game is disconcerting.
    Haven't checked out. I was sick/busy.

    Quote from Cythare »
    I have another idea. Manders, do you have any empowerment lying around?
    Nope

    Quote from DoTArchon »
    I think this idea has too much risk involved, if you're being honest about your role then offering yourself up as one of the targets means that Manders has a 1 in 3 chance of hitting scum with the roleblock. And if Manders is scum then she can target me, call me out for not proving me role and have me mislynched leading to scum winning this. I think the best courselves of action is to lynch today, preferably not have Axel fire his vig shot, and with four alive tomorrow we can afford a no-lynch to narrow the POE.
    What he said...
    Quote from Cythare »
    It's not an actual roleblock, so you won't be affected.


    I think the best plan is a No Lynch. Empower me, then motivate so I block twice tonight. We're almost definitely at just 1 Scum left, so if I block that one from performing the NK, then we win the game. Of course, smart Scum would just NOT SHOOT tonight, but even still, that's a win scenario for us, too. If Meg decides to gift his 5 empowerment to me, I can use it tomorrow Night, too, and have 2 chances. Give Axel empowerment to shoot. DoTA can IC tomorrow Night.

    Sorry I was gone. Let's do this.

    Vote: No Lynch
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 16, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    BTW I can't wrap my head around this game anymore, so if the plan involves lynching one of myself or Tammy, I request you choose me. I know Tammy's already said the same, but she, at least, is investing the time and energy to try to figure this cluster**** out.

    I, however, have no ******* clue who is the last Scum or where to go from here.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 16, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Quote from Tammy »
    I've looked for an Azrael modded game and am I blind or something? I don't see one.
    Sin City Mafia
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 15, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Like as in....does it make Cythare lean Neutral or Scum?
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 15, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Quote from Tammy »
    If I'm remembering correctly he brought megiddo into the game when he thought he was being lynched.
    We got the notification it was used immediately after Azrael resolved the Quick Draw where he killed DV.

    So yes.

    Quote from Azrael »
    SUDDEN DEATH HAS BEEN ACTIVATED.

    Details and rules to follow in the spectator thread, in exactly one half hour. In the meantime, Sudden Death is currently in effect.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 15, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 15, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Quote from Axelrod »
    I mean, Manders, does a scum DoTA really refuse to accept empower from town Cyan? In what world would that happen?
    Quote from Axelrod »
    He also claimed that ability yesterday, right? Meaning he was suiciding himself if the Town decided to test him on it.

    Does not seem like the best play/plan.
    I mean, this makes sense, of course. But if it's not him, then who? (I know you think Tammy, but she's been actively Scumhunting and I'm not feeling it. Plus, if she's Scum, that means Seppel was buddies with Iso and GJ, and based on their interactions, again, I'm not feeling it.)

    UGH I'll reluctantly Unvote based on logic, but I'm at a complete loss.

    Quote from Tammy »
    Manders I'm on my phone so I can't link the post but it's the post you made when you voted but I think. I linked it in one of my earliest posts as something that pinged.
    I'm assuming this was posted in response to this?
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Tammy »
    That is an issue.

    My problem there is how she went after bur day one with that hammer and then got after her about voting for herself but then has done it two separate times since.
    1) Bur voting for himself had nothing to do with why I voted for him.
    2) "And then got after her about voting for herself" I do not understand what you are saying here. Can you elaborate?
    If so, your response does not help me understand what you are saying about me.

    Quote from Megiddo »
    yess keep being game-solvey

    not included in my above comment: manders, dota
    You realize you're not God's gift to Mafia, right? Rolleyes

    Quote from DoTArchon »
    @Manders: Do me and favour if you will, assume I do flip town if lynched today. Who do you think eats the NK tonight, and who would you lynch then tomorrow. If by POE I'm the last scum then would that mean you have null/town reads on everyone else? Where do you go tomorrow then?
    No ******* clue.

    But you had your chance to use your IC. Why DID you refuse to accept Cyan's empowerment?

    Quote from Axelrod »
    Good lord, any plan giving Cyth more empower to potentially muck around with stuff seems absolutely wretched. Did you miss the part where if I were to try and vig. someone and Cyth. re-directed it we could just lose on the spot?

    Cyth, remind me who you think the last scum is?

    Tammy, who are you on right now? Me?

    My current feeling is that if Cyth. is actually telling the truth about being Neutral (seems like a stretch atm, but I guess anything's possible), then Tammy feels like she would be the last scum, and she's playing to keep Cyth. alive, which she would definitely want to do since he could win with her if they were both around tomorrow.

    Man, anyone who wants to keep the declared Neutral alive with the very shady explanation of his use of ability needs to re-think things. That's just straight-up logic. Even if he's somehow telling the truth he's a danger to turn on us, and, like, there's a totally good chance he's just lying.
    I mean, if it's not DoTA, then it's probably Cythare or Megiddo, but if Cythare's telling the truth, I ******* HATE the thought of him getting this far just to lose to PoE in the end. Like I really do.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • Manders's avatar
    Feb 14, 2017
    Manders posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Quote from Megiddo »
    I am not on board with a plan that involves killing Cythare, which will possibly make him lose, in favor of DoTA using his IC because (a) I'm not sure I believe he has this and (b) if you guys were going to require him use it, he should have done it last Night. It's a bit better since it doesn't give Scum extra kills, just extra empowerment, but still. It's a dick move to make Cythare sac himself just because this guy didn't want to use his ability last Night.
    are you cool with the rest of the plan? suppose we just subtract the cythare death. so lynch you or tammy, have dota do IC, etc.?
    Well, I'm voting for DoTA, soooo...not so much.

    PoE from my PoV has DoTA as Scum. I want to lynch him.
    Posted in: Mafia
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